8/7/22 Training Camp Discussion
 

Family Fun Days, fools.

Let's go!

Has it started yet ???

Anybody going to be there? Clipboard, depth charts, black marker — I’ll be there going the Full Nerd.

I’ll be there. PM me if you want to compare notes during practice.

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Give us a full report later today.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs have released DeAndre Baker. They must be feeling good about their CB depth. KC moves on with with its young secondary and Baker now has a chance to catch on with another team.</p>&mdash; Patrick Allen (@RPatrickAllen) <a href="https://twitter.com/RPatrickAllen/status/1556265032970903552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bit of a surprise. I thought Baker had a chance to make this team.

Any news on Bryan Cook? I haven’t heard much (good or bad) about him.

Sounds like our young CBs are killing it. Love to hear it!

Has there been a single piece of news on Lonnie Johnson? Is he hurt?

I don’t even know what number is he? Did he change his number because McKinnon wearing #1.

When I was at training camp there were a few players that shared the same number.

By the end of the year this secondary will be stout...

He sucks if that's what you mean.

And that right there tells you our secondary is better than last years

Is that the gal that starred opposite of Burt Reynolds in Stroker Ace?

Kinda surprised kinda not.

One would think he’d have some rope in camp being a first round guy.

BUT

The guy was straight terrible in that Buffalo game and he’s been with the team awhile. It’s also possible he’s lost some athleticism after the injuries. I’m guessing he’s been there long enough it’s not some rash decision.

Chiefs doing him a solid by cutting him now. They obviously like what they see with the young kids which is awesome.

smooth

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mahomes to JuJu. And Joshua Williams almost takes JuJu’s head off <a href="https://t.co/jNdTFmLUwr">pic.twitter.com/jNdTFmLUwr</a></p>&mdash; KC Sports Network (@KCSportsNetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCSportsNetwork/status/1556291695742001152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He was my pick in the "Surprise TC Cuts" thread. Though, I said it would not be much of a surprise b/c of all the young DB's on the roster. Just means the Chiefs like what they see in them.

This year's "surprise cut". Given his performance last year and we drafted 3 CBs and a S this year, the secondary room was probably short on seats.

Gabriel Davis never returned Baker's ankles so this move makes a ton of sense.

JuJu alright?


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Damn! That rookie just said "Oh shit!" 50 times

Hey rook. That’s a penalty.

Kelce was open for a nice gainer in the middle too. I should find all the video I can find and just watch him work. The man is a gift. God I love Kelce.

havent seen hardman do much of this before

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hardman vs Williams <a href="https://t.co/8ErPT4zDWD">pic.twitter.com/8ErPT4zDWD</a></p>&mdash; KC Sports Network (@KCSportsNetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCSportsNetwork/status/1556301506114211841?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">McDuffie PBU <a href="https://t.co/EA1pxjgIAf">pic.twitter.com/EA1pxjgIAf</a></p>&mdash; KC Sports Network (@KCSportsNetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCSportsNetwork/status/1556306741280886784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


This is happening all the time now. For whoever a few days ago said we haven't heard anything about McDuffie in camp.

God he blankets people.

man he's sticky

I count 4 PBUs in two days (that we've seen).

Looks like JuJu is alright.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="et" dir="ltr">Mahomes to JuJu <a href="https://t.co/rFMfDsRWFd">pic.twitter.com/rFMfDsRWFd</a></p>&mdash; KC Sports Network (@KCSportsNetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCSportsNetwork/status/1556303278727725058?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nice catch by Noah Gray <a href="https://t.co/gbALwGwZwf">pic.twitter.com/gbALwGwZwf</a></p>&mdash; KC Sports Network (@KCSportsNetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCSportsNetwork/status/1556302995163324418?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

For a little context, Derwin James the #1 fantasy DB, had 5 all last year.

McDuffie is the McMan. :thumb:

There's a reason Danie Jeremiah listed him as one of the 3 prospects that he had absolutely no doubt would be a good player.

McDuffie was seemingly forgotten all summer despite being our top draft pick, one we moved up to take. In other years this would be all we'd talk about, we finally took a CB in the first.

But this draft class is so intriguing and deep and great that we seemingly just kind of assumed he'd be fine. He's better than fine. He looks like a vet out there dominating. So much for his short arms!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mecole Hardman heating up in the long-drive team period.<br><br>Also, Isiah Pacheco running with the 1st-team offense is a thing, guys.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1556309424343588866?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Once we got outside of the top 15 picks or so, I was legitimately terrified that McDuffie would fall to the Chargers or Bills.

So happy he's a Chief.

patrick really in sync with these bigger receivers

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jump ball to MVS <a href="https://t.co/hdJnY5mdxj">pic.twitter.com/hdJnY5mdxj</a></p>&mdash; KC Sports Network (@KCSportsNetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCSportsNetwork/status/1556312050497888259?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm getting pretty excited about Hardman. It appears to me that this dude is going to bring it and provide us the swag similar to what Tyreek brought to the team for years.

Perhaps it was the case that Hardman couldn't really be himself with Hill on the team. Not room for two similar personalities. I think this kid is going to impress.

I hope you're correct but even if he does this will probably be has last season as a Chief. Someone will pay him a fat bag if he has a breakout season. I'd hate for it to be the Chiefs after watching him flounder for 3 years.

Even though Williams got beat….it’s nice that he has the speed to catch back up.

Defenses caught up to our offense last year and they took away our deep passing game. If affected Hill and Hardman. That said I don't understand the Hardman hate.

"Even after the snap count droppage, Hardman has either surpassed or remains on-pace to create career-highs in targets (85), receptions (61), yards (617), first-down catches (31), catch percentage (71.7), and yards after catch (470). He's also sliced his drop percentage from 12.9 percent in 2020 to 3.3 percent in 2021.Dec 9, 2021"

That's nothing but improvement in a year where Mahomes was forcing the ball to Hill over and over. There will be plenty of competition for the ball this year with more weapons for Mahomes to choose from, but I anticipate Hardman will have his best season ever. His speed should open it up for other players as well.

Damn, that’s a rough hit. Don’t need those in camp.

I thought it quite clearly looked like an accident

Numbers don't tell the story with Hardman. The majority of his targets come 5 yards from the line of scrimmage or under.

Until he is a threat running a full NFL route tree he'll never be more than a gadget guy.

He wasn’t our first round pick though

I thought he’d stick because he’s a veteran. I assumed he’d atleast be CB4 on this team. Happy to get new faces though because they have a higher ceiling. We already know Baker’s ceiling

You know who never ran the full route tree? Desean Jackson

A guy doesn’t have to be Antonio brown in his prime to be a good wr

GOOD

Hardman hasn't been the second coming of Hill so haters going to hate.

GMAFB

It's all on film.

When he has to make a contested catch the ball goes incomplete 9/10 times.

He's great at catching the ball on bubble screens, jet sweeps and wide open crossers, though.

And a deep ball once a month that makes everyone believe he's something he's not.

Why are you constantly digging holes about players? Whenever you are proven wrong you humiliate yourself. Maybe try a wait and see approach instead of using every opportunity you can for hot takes. Your ego is a weird creation, how you go about flattering it is just alien to me.

Wait and see? It's year four with Dexter McHardman. LMAO

Everyone knows we need one more year of Hardman without Hill to truly get a feel for what he's capable of. He's not my favorite player but he could easily have his best season. There's no reason to draw a line in the sand other than you want to be able to say you were right.

Not gonna lie, Dexter McHardman gave me a chuckle.

Bowe got more shit around here than that worthless turd.

Hey folks.

Practice is over. I’m sitting in a Chipotle in St. Joe, and between the period of me finishing my barbacoa burrito and the massive shit I’m about to take, let me drop some nuggets from the practice.

First of all, get ready: this defense is going to be every bit as rocky and maddening the first 8-12 weeks of the season as it was to start last season. We are so low on bodies at DT that Austin Edwards started playing there today (Taylor Stallworth was not on the field, nor was Fortson, Deandre Baker, Fenton, Niang, and perhaps Tayon Fleet-Davis). We’re going to get trucked up the middle all year, as Nnadi seems to be the only guy who can stop the run effectively outside of Chris Jones splash plays.

I like our run defense better on the edges, and Bolton/Gay/Chenal will help, but there is no recipe for a good run defense that says “go light at defensive tackle.” But that’s exactly what we’re doing, unless Stallworth possesses a reservoir of talent I was unaware of. Saunders still looks useless, Wharton is still very quick but small. Austin Edwards may sneak onto the 53 down the road this season if Wharton gets hurt, by the way. The backup guards had no answer for his speed. I liked what I saw in the 1v1s.

Starting DL today: Clark, Jones, Nnadi, Danna. Dunlap and Karlaftis were 2nd team, but that’s a crime. Karlaftis is different. His play today suggests he’s every bit as good as his scouting reports say, and I’d argue he’ll be better. His hands are so heavy, he puts tight ends on roller skates, and he strip-sacked Mahomes in the team drills. He’s got surprising speed. I love him. Clark does not look like he’s taken a serious step forward, though. I think he still sucks.

Starting LB: Gay (W), Bolton (M), Lee (S). Spags ran some dime coverage drills as Bolton was on the field for all of them. Make no mistake: Bolton is going to play 100% of the snaps this year. They’re neeeeever taking him off. Second string was Carter (W), Harris (M), Chenal (S). Chenal will likely start by the end of the year on early downs; he is a problem coming downhill. He all but caught Henne from behind in a team drill, flushing him on a blitz and chasing him. Mike Rose is headed to the practice squad.

The biggest reason this defense is going to struggle will be corner. Defensive tackle will hurt too, but we simply don’t have the horses at corner, because McDuffie isn’t ready yet. He made a good play against MVS in team drills, but he was roasted in 1v1s. He lost every time: MVS bested him, JuJu beat him, Skyy got him, even Cornell Powell. I can’t pinpoint what deficiencies he has in his game but his recovery speed just isn’t there. If you get a step on him you seem to own him.

Williams fared better, but not perfectly — he has great arms for PDs. Lammons actually looked pretty darn good, as did Sneed who swallowed up almost everyone he faced. Watson and Nazeeh Johnson may be headed to the practice squad. But we simply don’t have the horses to face down strong WR corps, and god help us against elite WRs. We simply don’t have a guy you can point to and say “he’s the lockdown.” Two-minute drills when teams are flinging the ball around are going to infuriate Chiefs fans with this defense.

I like the safety arrangement they have. Spags really likes dropping Reid deep and letting Thornhill play shallow coverage more. They rotated Cook in a lot, which beats the pants off the Zayne Anderson experiment I witnessed in camp last year. Cook plays solid coverage. Deon Bush really seems to be the only other safety they like a lot. Zayne may head to the practice squad.

They played McDuffie and Williams on the outside, and Sneed lived inside. I’m not sure I ever saw him take a snap outside; I think he plays “joker” this year.

The offense has some high points and interesting players, but mostly they looked very sloppy. Mahomes’ passes were off, the other QBs were worse, and we were robbed of one round of Mahomes snaps with excessive false starts.

I opted to watch other drills so I do not have any insight at RB, other than Ronald Jones doesn’t even look like he’s trying, to me. The team really loves Pacheco, though. The hype there is real.

JuJu looks as good as we’ve heard, and MVS, I’m sorry to say, looks as bad as we’ve heard. Mahomes targeted him repeatedly, but misses him regularly. They never seem to be on the same page, and his hands aren’t great. Hardman, on the other hand, and I can’t believe I’m about to say this: may have a darn good season ahead of him. He has better cuts now than he used to, and won some deep routes, not just gimmick plays. He’s still a bonehead and had a bonehead drop, but this is the best he’s looked I think.

Also: Fountain definitely makes this team, but I think Cornell Powell does too. He looked very quick and fast in 1v1s, and he was everywhere in team practice. I think he has a real chance to make this roster and get playing time. He’s got a physicality that our other WRs lack.

Starting OL: Brown/Thuney/Humphrey/Smith/Christian.
Second: Johnson/Gurman/Allegretti/Wylie/Kinnard
Third: Wenogho/Caliendo/Reiter/Ksiezarcyk/Steinmetz

I didn’t like any of our right tackles this practice, but Mahomes and Reid have shown they can play around that. Just seemed like they all got beat regularly. I think Brown looks pretty good, but not elite. Johnson to the practice squad.

I’ll leave assorted notes below, but I came away underwhelmed big time with the defense, and massively “whelmed” with the offense. Mahomes is going to have to be Superman with this crew, at least early in the season.

Assorted notes:

* of the first seven defensive players to hit the field today, six of them were new to the team: Reid, Lonnie Johnson, Bush, Cook, Lee, Karlaftis. Just goes to show you how much is changing on defense. There will be growing pains and it may be a whole season of them.

* DiCaprio Bootle played at CB, Jerron Ealy at WR

* I really liked how Malik Herring played. He has taken a step forward, same with Joshua Kaindoh, who has added some power. Both guys are long and very athletic, and they were tricky for the backup tackles.

* Azur Kamara and Kehinde Hassan are both listed very light, but they look to both be well above 250.

* who is number 80? I didn’t have him on my depth chart

* KR tryer-outers in no order: Pacheco, Gore, Ealy, Moore, Hardman, Coleman, Gordon, Parker

* speaking of Aaron Parker, it wouldn’t shock me if he ended up on the practice squad. His motions are unbelievably smooth.

* Josh Gordon is bad

* Fountain looks really polished in the 1v1s. A real technician at the position: I think he has a roster spot locked

* 1st team WRs: JuJu, MVS, Hardman. 2nd team: Moore, Fountain, Justin Watson??

* Kelce took one snap. (Reception and juked past Lee.)

* Gray looks pretty good again, making a fantastic leaping catch across the middle from Henne. And oddly enough, Jordan Franks took a couple snaps with the 1s, but I think he’s practice squad talent at best.

* at the end of practice, Nagy set up a couple silly drills for the QBs to hit cones and buckets from a distance. Mahomes missed the bucket by inches in the corner-end zone drill, but concluded it by striking the crossbar on purpose from 40 yards out.

* Justin Reid started practice by successfully kicking a 65 yard field goal.

Let me know if you have any questions. Don’t know if I’ll have any good answers, though.

If you have any questions, fire away.

They aren't even hitting in practice and you're already writing off the season just lmao

Yeah, need a liter of cola, it's for a tight end. . . .

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Also,

MVS is in this Chipotle. I’m not kidding.

What should I tell him?

You should tell him he's bad so he can slap your mouth

Direcksun consistently has awful takes.

His practice report is absolutely useless.

Tip drill in case you want another burrito

Good lord you guys.

I wrote 20 paragraphs or some shit and this is what you take out of it. What the hell.

McDuffie "isn't ready yet" might be the dumbest ****ing take I've seen yet this TC.

LMAO LMAO LMAO

Talk about being absolutely ****ing clueless and completely full of shit.

20 worthless ****ing paragraphs LMAO

You said you had to take a big dump but I didn't realized you were talking about your posts

You should hypnotize him and tell him when he leaves he will play like Jerry Rice

Dude is wound up tight! 170 tackles this season.

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What did you see out of him at practice today?

Let’s compare notes. I assume you have notes.

I'm sure your one practice visit was more valuable than all of his college tape, and the reports/clips we've been getting all of TC!

The arrogance to think you can go to one single practice and tell us everything there is to know, and determine each players readiness and the teams outlook on the season is hilarious.

You have proven time after time to be absolutely clueless. Your practice report is as valuable as a wet fart.

You would probably be completely wrong about what I saw today, because I saw what I saw and you did not.

As for the theories that I’ve formed about said things I saw today that you did not, I’m welcome to my opinion and your welcome to yours. I have no clue what your opinion is, other than I’m stupid with laughing emojis. So you’re welcome to present something other than that.

I agree DT is going to be the main concern on defense.

The secondary will come around, too many new faces learning the system.

I think McDuffie will improve though the opposing teams will test him you can count on that.

Karlaftis will be worked into the starting Dline watch and see.

MVS is a disappointment maybe Powell will edge him out eventually. Reid is going to give MVS a chance to start.

Yea, I'm going to go with the college tape, scouting notes, entire training camp reports from
multiple sources, along with all the clips we've all seen, over your stupid ****ing take based solely on 1 on 1s in a single practice.

If all you said was that McDuffie got beat a lot in 1 on 1s today, that's one thing, but your belief that what you saw today overrides everything we've seen from his college days to the rest of TC reports/clips speaks volumes about your pseudo expertise.

You are aware that I did not invent the notion that McDuffie is having struggles. This has been documented by people you don’t hate.

I haven't seen a single person suggest that McDuffie "isn't ready yet", because nobody is that stupid.

He's a rookie. There will be some ups and downs, and I don't doubt that he's been beat quite a bit too at camp, but your take reeks of bullshit unwarranted pessimism.

The majority of noise about McDuffie, especially as of late, has been overwhelmingly positive.

We've all also seen clips of him throughout TC. His coverage is almost always sticky, and he has 4 really nice PBUs the last 2 days.

But again, your evaluation based on 1 on 1s in a single practice is the gospel! You get to write the book of Trent McDuffie now!

There you go. There’s the exchange of information that characterizes a syllogism. Now we can have an actual discussion.

And, to what you’ve said, fair point. He’s made some plays, he made one today. But that doesn’t explain his performance today in both 1v1s and team drills, which was not remotely sticky. Williams and Sneed stick. McDuffie did not today, and it wasn’t close.

Now that’s fine if he’s lighting up PAC 12, but this is a new beast. He did not display recovery speed, a major problem. He gets boxed out and beaten to a spot. He’s grabby.

This doesn’t kill McDuffie in the crib, but those are going to be lingering issues that simply being a rookie will only partially repair.

I’m a big fan of drafting him and I like his skillset. But today’s practice was problematic to me.

if you look up the definition of alpha in the dictionary i imagine you'd find a picture of bolton.

hope this kid is a chief for life. he just has that aura about him. greatness.

It’s just practice. Remember Mahomes throwing tons of picks in TC the year he blew up?

WTF is doing? What’s the motive? Geeezzz :doh!:

I'm just glad I don't have to get hit by that dude. Holy shit.