KANSAS CITY, Mo. — One of the hardest days in the NFL every year will occur Tuesday, the league’s mandatory roster cutdown deadline, the annual day when many players on the roster bubble leave a team’s training facility for the final time.
The Chiefs, yet again this year, know they are one of the league’s top Super Bowl contenders. After a traditional away-from-home training camp and a successful tour through the preseason, the Chiefs’ quantity of quality players will make the decisions leading up to Tuesday’s 3 p.m. CT deadline difficult. One decision to keep a player on the initial 53-man roster means another player, perhaps at another position, could be cut then join another team — as soon as this week — and become a contributor this season.
“It’s such a physical sport — and it’s such a long season,” general manager Brett Veach said Thursday on the Chiefs’ local TV broadcast during the team’s preseason finale against the Green Bay Packers. “We talk about it as a (personnel) staff all the time. When you look at your eight, ninth (offensive) lineman and you look at your fifth linebacker or your sixth receiver, those guys are really going to end up starting (or) playing valuable minutes throughout the course of the season.”
Similar to this time last year, the Chiefs have about 60 players who have value. The team appeared to still have about six roster spots available to be won when Thursday’s exhibition started. Following the game, three different players from our previous projection earlier this month have elevated themselves to be in position to earn a place on the Chiefs’ roster.
Below is our final 53-man roster projection, which included the reasons why some players, particularly a few veterans, earned the last roster spots over their younger teammates.
Note: Per usual, starters are designated in italics.
Spoiler!
OFFENSE (26) Quarterbacks (2):Patrick Mahomes, Chad Henne
This projection is going to mildly anger Chiefs fans. The reality, though, is that Henne, a 15-year veteran, was going to be a lock for the roster as long as he stayed healthy. His one-year, $2 million deal is fully guaranteed. One of the small troubling issues from the preseason is that Henne didn’t lead the Chiefs to points when he was on the field.
Meanwhile, Shane Buechele, a second-year player, was impressive in the preseason, as he finished with 31 completions on 51 attempts for 335 passing yards, with three touchdowns and one interception. The Chiefs might make a small gamble that Buechele, if he is cut, can return to the training facility in a few days as a member of the practice squad. But another team might claim him on waivers. Based on the preseason action, Buechele should probably be Mahomes’ primary backup.
All of this matters, of course, if Mahomes sustains an injury at any point this season. As for Mahomes, he enters his sixth season as arguably the league’s most talented quarterback, although his peers voted him as the NFL’s eight-best player.
Running backs (4): Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Jerick McKinnon, Isiah Pacheco, Ronald Jones
When it comes to the running backs, what I reported before training camp has remained true: The Chiefs want to have four running backs.
You could argue that last Thursday’s game was most pivotal for Jones, a five-year veteran who struggled in the preseason opener. Jones ran hard between the tackles against the Packers and finished with 43 rushing yards on eight carries. He also looked competent when catching a four-yard reception in the flat.
“There’s certainly value to having different skill levels and different players that can do different things,” Veach said Thursday of the team’s running back position. “You have Clyde and Jerick, who are so good in both the run and the pass. They’re a little smaller, and then you complement that with an Isiah Pacheco and a Ronald Jones, bigger backs that, once they square their shoulders, can really move the pile.”
Fullback (1): Michael Burton
Reid featured Burton early in the preseason, and one could argue that he has won the role of being the team’s best runner in short-yardage situations. He will also be a willing contributor on special teams.
No changes at this position. Watson and Fountain performed well in the preseason on offense and special teams, which made one of the most intriguing position battles at the start of camp become anticlimactic rather quickly.
“Everybody wants to make the team and you’re really just hoping and praying that you do, so it was a great feeling, especially with the receiver depth that we have,” Fountain said Thursday of earning the final receiving spot last year, which is likely to occur Tuesday. “It was a blessing. Hopefully the coaches think I did enough.”
Moore, the rookie who was taken in the second round, has progressed well throughout camp and the preseason. His 35-yard punt return against the Packers should secure his secondary role as the Chiefs’ primary punt returner.
Smith-Schuster didn’t record a reception in the preseason and he missed the final two games with a knee injury, so his role within the offense will likely be a mystery to the Arizona Cardinals leading up to the opener.
The biggest swing on offense in this projection is that Bell remains on the initial roster instead of Buechele. Bell, an eight-year veteran, had surgery Tuesday to repair the hip flexor injury he suffered in the preseason opener. With him expected to be out for a few weeks, Bell could be placed on the injured-reserve list.
Kelce, a future Hall of Famer, will look to record at least 1,000 receiving yards for a seventh consecutive season, a feat that has never occurred for a tight end in the league’s history.
Offensive linemen (9):Orlando Brown Jr., Joe Thuney, Creed Humphrey, Trey Smith, Andrew Wylie, Nick Allegretti, Austin Reiter, Geron Christian, Prince Tega Wanogho
A surprise is that the depth at this position is not as strong as I anticipated at the start of camp. Roderick Johnson, a five-year veteran, was projected to be the backup left tackle. Instead, he struggled once the team started having padded practices and was released Saturday. This projection also doesn’t include rookie right tackle Darian Kinnard, who should return on the practice squad for a “redshirt year” so he can develop his technique at both tackle and guard. Wanogho, a second-year player, was solid in the final two preseason games to earn the final roster spot.
The Chiefs at least have reliable backups in Allegretti and Reiter, a center who played much of Thursday’s game at right guard. On the waiver wire, the Chiefs likely will look to claim another tackle. The good news for coach Andy Reid and Mahomes is that the Chiefs might have the league’s best starting offensive line.
DEFENSE (24)
Defensive linemen (9):Frank Clark, Chris Jones, Derrick Nnadi, Carlos Dunlap, George Karlaftis, Mike Danna, Tershawn Wharton, Danny Shelton, Khalen Saunders
Thursday’s game provided an opportunity for young defensive ends such as Joshua Kaindoh, Malik Herring and Azur Kamara to prove they are worthy of the last roster spot in this group. But the trio of defenders were not impressive enough against the Packers.
Honestly, the Chiefs still have more talented defensive tackles than defensive ends. Shelton, an eight-year veteran, played only a few snaps in the preseason, but he should be an imposing defender in the middle of the line. Much of the season will come down to how valuable Karlaftis, a rookie, and Dunlap, a 13-year veteran, are as part of the Chiefs’ pass rush. A first-round pick, Karlaftis was stellar in the preseason in showcasing his strength and athleticism.
The leader of the group is Jones, the seventh-year veteran who is the most-tenured member of the defense. He was voted by his peers as the league’s 39th-best player.
Linebacker (5): Nick Bolton, Willie Gay, Elijah Lee, Darius Harris, Leo Chenal
As expected, Bolton and Gay were dominant in the preseason. The biggest winner from Thursday’s game was Harris, the third-year veteran who appears to be the backup middle linebacker. Harris finished the game with three tackles, including one behind the line of scrimmage.
“It felt good and I just got off to a hot start,” Harris said following Thursday’s game. “After that first tackle, I just built confidence and it came to me after that. Obviously I feel like I’ve put enough (good production) on film and hopefully I make the 53-man roster. It would definitely be an honor to make the cut and be on the active roster throughout the entire season.”
As it relates to Jermaine Carter Jr., the fifth-year veteran who signed with the Chiefs this offseason, can I ask you a question: Do you remember him having an impressive snap in the preseason? The answer, I believe, is no, which is alarming considering he entered training camp as a potential rotational defender. The other issue is that Carter’s one-year, $1 million contract is fully guaranteed. The reason he doesn’t make it in this projection is that he was outplayed by Lee, Harris and Chenal, a rookie.
The players are the same as our previous projection, but McDuffie, a rookie who was selected in the draft’s first round, entered the league’s concussion protocol during Thursday’s game. If McDuffie is not available against the Cardinals, his spot would likely go to Williams, a rookie who was selected in the fourth round. On special teams, Williams and Lammons are talented enough to be stars as four-phase contributors.
Sneed will begin the season as the nickel cornerback with Fenton as the leading man on the perimeter. Watson, a seventh-round pick, was the most positive surprise for the defense this preseason.
Safeties (4):Justin Reid, Juan Thornhill, Bryan Cook, Deon Bush
As expected, Reid and Thornhill are the starters with Cook, a rookie, in the third safety role. In the preseason, the play from these four defenders demonstrated the difference in athleticism and physicality compared to the safety position a year ago. Cook ended the preseason with an interception.
Special teams (3*) Kicker (1):Harrison Butker Punter (1):Tommy Townsend Long snapper (1):James Winchester Emergency kicker (1*): Justin Reid
The entire kicking battery appears to be in good form ahead of the season opener. Butker, a six-year veteran, wants to earn his first Pro Bowl selection. In pregame repetitions during the preseason, Butker made successful field-goal kicks of 71 and 70 yards. Butker’s career long is a 58-yard field goal, but a quality kick from 60 yards or more from him could be the difference in a victory this season.
Hoover
08-29-2022 12:57 PM
I mean, is the only position really up to debate our backup QB?
If so, we good!
RunKC
08-29-2022 12:57 PM
The LB position has never been so good in my time as a Chiefs fan. Really like our potential there
Mecca
08-29-2022 12:57 PM
If they cut Kinnard they'll lose him..if they lose him to keep guys like Danny Shelton and Austin Reiter that is pretty bonheaded...and of course Chris Lammons again..so tired of special teams only guys.
tredadda
08-29-2022 01:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca
(Post 16434337)
If they cut Kinnard they'll lose him..if they lose him to keep guys like Danny Shelton and Austin Reiter that is pretty bonheaded...and of course Chris Lammons again..so tired of special teams only guys.
I am more concerned with them losing Beuchele than Kinnard.
Mecca
08-29-2022 01:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tredadda
(Post 16434341)
I am more concerned with them losing Beuchele than Kinnard.
The issue there is though, you'd hope at worst Kinnard can become a starting guard allowing us to move on from Thuney's contract, Buechele never moves to a starter role here.
Wanogho and Christian as backup OT's great, but no need to keep both Allegretti and Reiter, they're the same damn guy.
Sassy Squatch
08-29-2022 01:04 PM
Maybe they know Kinnard ****ing sucks? Showed absolutely nothing that I saw when he played.
staylor26
08-29-2022 01:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca
(Post 16434350)
The issue there is though, you'd hope at worst Kinnard can become a starting guard allowing us to move on from Thuney's contract, Buechele never moves to a starter role here.
Wanogho and Christian as backup OT's great, but no need to keep both Allegretti and Reiter, they're the same damn guy.
They clearly don't like Allegretti at C dude, so no, they're not the same damn guy.
Skyy God
08-29-2022 01:07 PM
Kinnard can go wear incendiary shirts to his fast food interviews for all I care.
tredadda
08-29-2022 01:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca
(Post 16434350)
The issue there is though, you'd hope at worst Kinnard can become a starting guard allowing us to move on from Thuney's contract, Buechele never moves to a starter role here.
Wanogho and Christian as backup OT's great, but no need to keep both Allegretti and Reiter, they're the same damn guy.
True, but I am looking at the possibility that Mahomes misses any time (hope not). At some point I am not looking forward to the possibility of a 37+ year old Henne coming in. We almost lost Beuchele last year. Not sure we sneak him onto the PS again.
Chieftain
08-29-2022 01:08 PM
Lammons is our best ST player and a favorite of Toub. Kinnard will likely head to the practice squad, protected.
It's amazing that Jaylon Watson could make the team. He is an even bigger surprise than Pacheco to me. Was exceptional in all pre-season games he played.
Bert drafted 3 corners that will likely make the team in one draft. Impressive stuff.
Mecca
08-29-2022 01:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chieftain
(Post 16434370)
Lammons is our best ST player and a favorite of Toub. Kinnard will likely head to the practice squad, protected.
It's amazing that Jaylon Watson could make the team. He is an even bigger surprise than Pacheco to me. Was exceptional in all pre-season games he played.
Bert drafted 3 corners that will likely make the team in one draft. Impressive stuff.
Watson just has very little experience as a CB, it happens.
ToxSocks
08-29-2022 01:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tredadda
(Post 16434341)
I am more concerned with them losing Beuchele than Kinnard.
No one wants to carry 3 QB's.
And no one is going to sign Buechele to come in and be the primary backup this late into the season either.
Dude will be on the Chiefs PS.
RunKC
08-29-2022 01:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca
(Post 16434337)
If they cut Kinnard they'll lose him..if they lose him to keep guys like Danny Shelton and Austin Reiter that is pretty bonheaded...and of course Chris Lammons again..so tired of special teams only guys.
Well they need ST’s on the squad. But I would much rather have Nazareth Johnson than Chris Lammons. That kid showed speed and some quality depth talent. Would love him as our gunner.
Kinnard is just a huge project man. He looked lost out there. His technical work needs a ton of refining and I’m not sure he can even play tackle at this point.
I’d bet Veach will draft an OL or 2 in the mid rounds next year as depth
Mecca
08-29-2022 01:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC
(Post 16434384)
Well they need ST’s on the squad. But I would much rather have Nazareth Johnson than Chris Lammons. That kid showed speed and some quality depth talent. Would love him as our gunner.
Kinnard is just a huge project man. He looked lost out there. His technical work needs a ton of refining and I’m not sure he can even play tackle at this point.
I’d bet Veach will draft an OL or 2 in the mid rounds next year as depth
Might be their first pick since the idea of paying Orlando Brown 120 million dollars is pretty unlikely.
tredadda
08-29-2022 01:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Detoxing
(Post 16434381)
No one wants to carry 3 QB's.
And no one is going to sign Buechele to come in and be the primary backup this late into the season either.
Dude will be on the Chiefs PS.
Didn’t KC add him to the 53 man roster last year to keep someone from snagging him off the practice squad? I would rather keep him than Henne.
Best22
08-29-2022 01:17 PM
Imagine if we could combine our RBs into one solid back
RoJo: Size, strength, toughness, durability
CEH: Ball security, blocking
McKinnon: Receiving ability and open field cuts
Pacheco: Youth, speed
Best22
08-29-2022 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca
(Post 16434337)
If they cut Kinnard they'll lose him..if they lose him to keep guys like Danny Shelton and Austin Reiter that is pretty bonheaded...and of course Chris Lammons again..so tired of special teams only guys.
Reiter has proven he can be solid or atleast “meh” on the O-line
Kinnard hasn’t
smithandrew051
08-29-2022 01:19 PM
I’d prefer Coleman over Fountain for his ability as a returner only, but this is probably pretty close overall.
O.city
08-29-2022 01:19 PM
I don't think Kinnard is a guy you keep at this point if it comes down to it. He's a redshirt guy and a player you can probably get in about every draft.
Jamie
08-29-2022 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Best22
(Post 16434401)
Pacheco: Youth
Fun fact, Clyde is a month younger than Pacheco.
tredadda
08-29-2022 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Best22
(Post 16434401)
Imagine if we could combine our RBs into one solid back
RoJo: Size, strength, toughness, durability
CEH: Ball security, blocking
McKinnon: Receiving ability and open field cuts
Pacheco: Youth, speed
Reid would still underutilize him.
O.city
08-29-2022 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tredadda
(Post 16434410)
Reid would still underutilize him.
As he should
He has Patrick Mahomes under center.
htismaqe
08-29-2022 01:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC
(Post 16434334)
The LB position has never been so good in my time as a Chiefs fan. Really like our potential there
Exactly what I told Twisted the other night. This LB group is deep, deep, deep.
htismaqe
08-29-2022 01:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca
(Post 16434393)
Might be their first pick since the idea of paying Orlando Brown 120 million dollars is pretty unlikely.
Dude, the Chiefs were already flirting with MORE than $120M. When it's all said and done, he'll probably get closer to $140M.
Best22
08-29-2022 01:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie
(Post 16434409)
Fun fact, Clyde is a month younger than Pacheco.
Well he’s taken fewer NFL hits so maybe he’s fresher
Mecca
08-29-2022 01:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe
(Post 16434423)
Dude, the Chiefs were already flirting with MORE than $120M. When it's all said and done, he'll probably get closer to $140M.
I just can't see them making him one of the top 2 highest paid OT's in the league.
I just can't see them making him one of the top 2 highest paid OT's in the league.
The Chiefs pretty much answered this question when they traded Tyreek Hill.
OBJ contract is incoming, so prepare for it.
VAGOMO 4 LIFE!
08-29-2022 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chieftain
(Post 16434370)
Lammons is our best ST player and a favorite of Toub. Kinnard will likely head to the practice squad, protected.
It's amazing that Jaylon Watson could make the team. He is an even bigger surprise than Pacheco to me. Was exceptional in all pre-season games he played.
Bert drafted 3 corners that will likely make the team in one draft. Impressive stuff.
Not really that surprising. Every year Veach makes a pick where everyone go who the **** is that but ends up being a steal
O.city
08-29-2022 01:40 PM
Why keep Christian and Wanego?
RealSNR
08-29-2022 01:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca
(Post 16434350)
The issue there is though, you'd hope at worst Kinnard can become a starting guard allowing us to move on from Thuney's contract, Buechele never moves to a starter role here.
Wanogho and Christian as backup OT's great, but no need to keep both Allegretti and Reiter, they're the same damn guy.
Kinnard looks roooooough, man. He's pretty bad.
I'm not saying he's going to stay that way, but it's pretty stupid to be locked in to only one decent backup on the entire interior OL. You get one injury and all of a sudden you're pretty much ****ed if Kinnard is as bad as he currently is.
Skyy God
08-29-2022 01:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe
(Post 16434450)
The Chiefs pretty much answered this question when they traded Tyreek Hill.
OBJ contract is incoming, so prepare for it.
IDK.
I think trading Reek signals it’s Mahomes and everyone else in terms of commitment.
Molitoth
08-29-2022 02:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe
(Post 16434450)
The Chiefs pretty much answered this question when they traded Tyreek Hill.
OBJ contract is incoming, so prepare for it.
Ughh I hope not.
Best22
08-29-2022 02:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cave Johnson
(Post 16434504)
IDK.
I think trading Reek signals it’s Mahomes and everyone else in terms of commitment.
It was always that way
Once he got that MVP and showed himself as elite he became the one absolutely untraceable piece in this franchise
ChiTown
08-29-2022 02:06 PM
I'm not enamored with the idea of keeping RoJo, but I get the reasoning. Also, the thought of Geron Christian having to actually play OT makes me physically ill.
I REALLY hope we are able to add a legit backup OT before the season starts. Does anyone know if Eric Fisher has already said no to KC? He's supposedly said no to 9 teams already.
htismaqe
08-29-2022 02:10 PM
Eric Fisher is not coming back people.
htismaqe
08-29-2022 02:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Molitoth
(Post 16434525)
Ughh I hope not.
Hope in one hand, shit in the other...
htismaqe
08-29-2022 02:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Best22
(Post 16434529)
It was always that way
Once he got that MVP and showed himself as elite he became the one absolutely untraceable piece in this franchise
Gotta love stealth tech. ;)
ChiTown
08-29-2022 02:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe
(Post 16434541)
Eric Fisher is not coming back people.
Humor me. Why?
htismaqe
08-29-2022 02:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiTown
(Post 16434548)
Humor me. Why?
Because he's not the same player he was?
Because he wants to be a starter?
I mean, there's dozens of reasons really.
Pitt Gorilla
08-29-2022 02:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca
(Post 16434350)
The issue there is though, you'd hope at worst Kinnard can become a starting guard allowing us to move on from Thuney's contract, Buechele never moves to a starter role here.
Wanogho and Christian as backup OT's great, but no need to keep both Allegretti and Reiter, they're the same damn guy.
Which of those guys did Kinnard outplay?
What did he put on film that would make another team think he should be on their 53?
ChiTown
08-29-2022 02:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe
(Post 16434557)
Because he's not the same player he was?
Because he wants to be a starter?
I mean, there's dozens of reasons really.
That's fair
RealSNR
08-29-2022 02:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiTown
(Post 16434535)
I'm not enamored with the idea of keeping RoJo, but I get the reasoning. Also, the thought of Geron Christian having to actually play OT makes me physically ill.
I REALLY hope we are able to add a legit backup OT before the season starts. Does anyone know if Eric Fisher has already said no to KC? He's supposedly said no to 9 teams already.
You should be physically ill every year, then.
Jah Reid? Donald Stevenson? Cam Erving? Remember Mike Remmers in the SB? We’ve had far more atrocious options than Christian just about every year. Last year when Thuney was technically the backup was the first time in years we had somebody competent as the LT
DJ's left nut
08-29-2022 02:27 PM
It's still strange to me that people's standard for 'Legit Backup OT' is simply having a spare starting caliber OT on your bench.
Folks - that don't happen unless you're sitting on a veteran you intend to replace in a year and have his 1st round replacement sitting behind him.
Christian is a credible backup LT.
DJ's left nut
08-29-2022 02:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tredadda
(Post 16434341)
I am more concerned with them losing Beuchele than Kinnard.
I'm not even the slightest bit concerned over losing Buechele. It's not like he's a meaningful difference vs. Henne. They're both fungible backups. If Buechele has value around the league and would get sniped, I'd be fine trading him.
Because ultimately Andy Reid will make another one just like him. And then another one after that. These are marginal talents that Reid coaches into looking like they're NFL players.
DJ's left nut
08-29-2022 02:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca
(Post 16434350)
The issue there is though, you'd hope at worst Kinnard can become a starting guard allowing us to move on from Thuney's contract, Buechele never moves to a starter role here.
Wanogho and Christian as backup OT's great, but no need to keep both Allegretti and Reiter, they're the same damn guy.
Nah.
Ideally you'd like to have one focus on being a C and the other focus on being a G. You can have Reiter on the roster as a backup C and be completely confident in how things will go should Creed go down. You can also have Allegretti out there as a G and be equally confident. Those are guys you'd like to have on the roster and working at their 'primary' positions.
You lose one of your starters and you're a sprain away from seeing Kinnard protecting the middle and I'm just not comfortable with that.
O.city
08-29-2022 02:34 PM
I'd love to see a trade for a pass rusher. Player for player like we've done.
Hoover
08-29-2022 02:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tredadda
(Post 16434368)
True, but I am looking at the possibility that Mahomes misses any time (hope not). At some point I am not looking forward to the possibility of a 37+ year old Henne coming in. We almost lost Beuchele last year. Not sure we sneak him onto the PS again.
If that's the case, I'd rather suck ass get better draft picks and a 4th place schedule for the next season.
DJ's left nut
08-29-2022 02:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 16434634)
I'd love to see a trade for a pass rusher. Player for player like we've done.
So you're probably wanting to look for guys in, say, their 3rd season who have disappointed.
The Panthers seem to still be high on Metur-Gross. Darrell Taylor missed his rookie year but came back nicely last season. Okwara is probably a little undersized.
AJ Epenesa is a Bill - I just don't see them trying to help us out. You've mentioned Chaisson a time or two, IIRC - probably not a bad option to make a call on. The Texans have no real reason to move Greenard. The 2019 draft was a shit-show at DE so you're not finding much there. 2021 isn't looking much better.
I think it's probably Chaisson or bust. I don't see anybody else out there that's a real appealing/attainable target.
Hoover
08-29-2022 02:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 16434624)
Nah.
Ideally you'd like to have one focus on being a C and the other focus on being a G. You can have Reiter on the roster as a backup C and be completely confident in how things will go should Creed go down. You can also have Allegretti out there as a G and be equally confident. Those are guys you'd like to have on the roster and working at their 'primary' positions.
You lose one of your starters and you're a sprain away from seeing Kinnard protecting the middle and I'm just not comfortable with that.
Allegretti is a great guy to have at backup guard. Dude will be a starter next year somewhere. I'm fine with Reiter too, I hope to never see him, but it could be worse. OT is the concern and sadly Niang and Kinnard don't seem to be the answer.
I'd love to try and get Jenkins from the Bears, hell anything, would improve what we have at backup OT.
O.city
08-29-2022 02:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 16434654)
So you're probably wanting to look for guys in, say, their 3rd season who have disappointed.
The Panthers seem to still be high on Metur-Gross. Darrell Taylor missed his rookie year but came back nicely last season. Okwara is probably a little undersized.
AJ Epenesa is a Bill - I just don't see them trying to help us out. You've mentioned Chaisson a time or two, IIRC - probably not a bad option to make a call on. The Texans have no real reason to move Greenard. The 2019 draft was a shit-show at DE so you're not finding much there. 2021 isn't looking much better.
I think it's probably Chaisson or bust. I don't see anybody else out there that's a real appealing/attainable target.
Yeah, as much as I'd love to have a good young DE, I don't really see one that's attainable.
I still don't know what's happening with Quinn but I'm hoping the Bears and Commanders suck so they'll look to trade some of those DL guys.
RealSNR
08-29-2022 02:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 16434634)
I'd love to see a trade for a pass rusher. Player for player like we've done.
I was about to laugh at the thought of a team trading away a pass rusher willy-nilly in a player-for-player trade, then I remembered that Veach pulled that exact shit off when he sent away Eric Murray for Ogbah.
Don't know about late preseason, since very few teams have just so many good pass rushers that they can't keep them all, but nothing would really surprise me. Veach is a wizard at this shit.
Bowser
08-29-2022 02:50 PM
Damn, Ogbah. Should have thrown some money at him and kept him around.
Now I'm all sad.
O.city
08-29-2022 02:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RealSNR
(Post 16434663)
I was about to laugh at the thought of a team trading away a pass rusher willy-nilly in a player-for-player trade, then I remembered that Veach pulled that exact shit off when he sent away Eric Murray for Ogbah.
Don't know about late preseason, since very few teams have just so many good pass rushers that they can't keep them all, but nothing would really surprise me. Veach is a wizard at this shit.
Montez Sweat is a player I've kinda kept my eye on.
Marcellus
08-29-2022 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 16434612)
I'm not even the slightest bit concerned over losing Buechele. It's not like he's a meaningful difference vs. Henne. They're both fungible backups. If Buechele has value around the league and would get sniped, I'd be fine trading him.
Because ultimately Andy Reid will make another one just like him. And then another one after that. These are marginal talents that Reid coaches into looking like they're NFL players.
Yup and Henne's contract is fully guaranteed so is it worth it to hold on the Buechele just to make sure he is around next year to be the #2 guy?
Is he worth eating $2MM to dump Henne? Nah.
Megatron96
08-29-2022 03:04 PM
Welp, looks like I was right about Skyy; made it easily. So did Pacheco for that matter.
Looks like Shelton will make it as well, though I thought he was kind of a shoo-in anyway (didn't he sign a 1-year deal or something?).
Anyone else surprised (even a little?) that LB E. Lee made it? Maybe it was just me, but I didn't really see that much out of him, though I did watch the Franchise episode 2 bit of him and he seems like a nice guy that also has all the intangibles that the Chiefs like.
O.city
08-29-2022 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
(Post 16434654)
So you're probably wanting to look for guys in, say, their 3rd season who have disappointed.
The Panthers seem to still be high on Metur-Gross. Darrell Taylor missed his rookie year but came back nicely last season. Okwara is probably a little undersized.
AJ Epenesa is a Bill - I just don't see them trying to help us out. You've mentioned Chaisson a time or two, IIRC - probably not a bad option to make a call on. The Texans have no real reason to move Greenard. The 2019 draft was a shit-show at DE so you're not finding much there. 2021 isn't looking much better.
I think it's probably Chaisson or bust. I don't see anybody else out there that's a real appealing/attainable target.
You'd also have 3rd year guys who teams don't wanna sign or can't sign long term. You'd theoretically have 3 years with teh tag if you traded for them so while not ideal, it could work.
They won't do it, probably shouldn't but if the Panthers aren't planning to keep Burns or the Commanders with Sweat, you think they'd move them for less than a 1?
htismaqe
08-29-2022 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96
(Post 16434711)
Welp, looks like I was right about Skyy; made it easily. So did Pacheco for that matter.
Looks like Shelton will make it as well, though I thought he was kind of a shoo-in anyway (didn't he sign a 1-year deal or something?).
Anyone else surprised (even a little?) that LB E. Lee made it? Maybe it was just me, but I didn't really see that much out of him, though I did watch the Franchise episode 2 bit of him and he seems like a nice guy that also has all the intangibles that the Chiefs like.
To be fair, this is Taylor projecting the final roster. It's not the actual final roster.
Titty Meat
08-29-2022 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson
(Post 16434367)
Kinnard can go wear incendiary shirts to his fast food interviews for all I care.
Please Belize that!
VAChief
08-29-2022 03:09 PM
I don't get the Buechele concern. He's a fine, deserving practice squad guy. This isn't 2011 where you have Casshole, Palko, Stanzi. Everyone was crap.
TwistedChief
08-29-2022 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96
(Post 16434711)
Welp, looks like I was right about Skyy; made it easily.
That was a good call, dude. No one else here thought Skyy had the intangibles or pedigree to make Nate Taylor’s final projected roster. Kudos to the kid for showing out for a second round pick and to you for seeing through all the Corey Coleman/Cornell Powell/Josh Gordon/Justyn Ross noise.
Bowser
08-29-2022 03:10 PM
TC has been feeling spicy today, lol
Red Dawg
08-29-2022 03:11 PM
Jones a P-dawg are going to be real assets. CEH is worse than them.
Buehler445
08-29-2022 03:22 PM
Yeah, I’d worry about Kinnard. Although it’s possible he was just that bad.
OKchiefs
08-29-2022 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca
(Post 16434393)
Might be their first pick since the idea of paying Orlando Brown 120 million dollars is pretty unlikely.
Then shouldn’t have traded a 1st for him. WR, DE, and DT are still all big needs again next year, harder to address those needs of you have to use a 1st round pick at left tackle for the 2nd time in 3 years.
RealSNR
08-29-2022 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief
(Post 16434726)
That was a good call, dude. No one else here thought Skyy had the intangibles or pedigree to make Nate Taylor’s final projected roster. Kudos to the kid for showing out for a second round pick and to you for seeing through all the Corey Coleman/Cornell Powell/Josh Gordon/Justyn Ross noise.
I was right about Mahomes being plugged in as the starting QB this year.
ToxSocks
08-29-2022 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
(Post 16434716)
To be fair, this is Taylor projecting the final roster. It's not the actual final roster.
So you're saying there's still a chance Skyy Moore gets cut?
I KNEW IT!
Sassy Squatch
08-29-2022 03:42 PM
We should all take this moment to point and laugh at the 49ers for refusing to move the **** on from Garropolo and almost outright sabotaging poor Lance before he even gets the chance to start properly.
ToxSocks
08-29-2022 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle
(Post 16434773)
and almost outright sabotaging poor Lance before he even gets the chance to start properly.
I think the 49ers are aware of the suckage that is Trey Lance.
Sassy Squatch
08-29-2022 03:47 PM
Then they've REALLY ****ed the pooch because the new reworked contract has incredibly strict no trade or tag clauses. If Garropolo does have to step in and plays superior he's still guaranteed to hit the open market if he chooses to do so.
ToxSocks
08-29-2022 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle
(Post 16434782)
Then they've REALLY ****ed the pooch because the new reworked contract has incredibly strict no trade or tag clauses.
Now THAT is funny.
jjchieffan
08-29-2022 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by OKchiefs
(Post 16434756)
Then shouldn’t have traded a 1st for him. WR, DE, and DT are still all big needs again next year, harder to address those needs of you have to use a 1st round pick at left tackle for the 2nd time in 3 years.
I disagree. He was the best option that was available at the time and we did get a second back, which was used in Nick Bolton. There weren't any stud tackles left at our pick, so drafting a solid day 1 starter wasn't likely. So what else do you think should have been done? If he walks after this year, the trade still bought 2 years to figure it out, and we'll get a compensatory pick back minimum assuming that Veach doesn't trade him or extend him
jjchieffan
08-29-2022 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 16434674)
Montez Sweat is a player I've kinda kept my eye on.
Hmm. Maybe. If the Chiefs hadn't traded for Clark, they very well could have traded up to get him that year. He went 3 spots before our pick
oldman
08-29-2022 04:01 PM
Let's face it, if PMII goes down for more than a week or 2, we're screwed. NO SB, no AFC Championship, no AFC West title. So why did we elevate and keep Buechele on the 53 last year? To keep him from being poached. Are we going to allow Henne to challenge George Blanda for being the oldest NFL player ever? Dump him now.
The only thing else I'd rather see is Bushman protected than Bell. Bell's injury is a lot more serious and will take longer to return. Plus he's 32 vs. Bushman's 26.
TwistedChief
08-29-2022 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jjchieffan
(Post 16434803)
Hmm. Maybe. If the Chiefs hadn't traded for Clark, they very well could have traded up to get him that year. He went 3 spots before our pick
He wasn't on the Chiefs draft board that year for medical reasons.
TomBarndtsTwin
08-29-2022 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by oldman
(Post 16434806)
Let's face it, if PMII goes down for more than a week or 2, we're screwed. NO SB, no AFC Championship, no AFC West title. So why did we elevate and keep Buechele on the 53 last year? To keep him from being poached. Are we going to allow Henne to challenge George Blanda for being the oldest NFL player ever? Dump him now.
The only thing else I'd rather see is Bushman protected than Bell. Bell's injury is a lot more serious and will take longer to return. Plus he's 32 vs. Bushman's 26.
:spock:
PMII went down for 2 1/2 games in 2019 and we ended up winning the Super Bowl that year. Only thing that matters is the playoffs. As long as he’s healthy then, we ALWAYS have a chance.
Bell will make the initial 53 and then will be placed on IR to return later in the season. At that point, they can add Bushman back if they really want him. No team is gonna poach him with a broken clavicle.
oldman
08-29-2022 04:22 PM
I'd point out it wasn't Henne that was the backup in those 2 1/2 games. The old "we can get another rookie castoff" doesn't play to me. Why do that when you already have a guy that knows the playbook? How long would it take for a new guy to absorb even half of it? Do you know who saved our 1969 season? It wasn't Jacky Lee, it was QB3.
To the Bell/Bushman controversy, yes, one of them will be on the "official 53" then placed on IR/designated. My argument for Bushman is he would be available a lot sooner than Bell. Put him on IR now and see how it goes with his surgery. He's an UFA in 2023.
Chiefsfan1
08-29-2022 04:29 PM
Most likely, to accommodate Blake Bell being on the initial 53, they'll probably cut a vested veteran like Reiter, then move Bell to IR and sign that vested veteran back the following day. That's more likely than risking someone on waivers that they want to keep going forward.
Buehler445
08-29-2022 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing
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I think the 49ers are aware of the suckage that is Trey Lance.
Man, if Lance sucks with all the shit they gave up to get him, that will be an epic fail of all fails.