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RunKC 09-25-2022 02:07 PM

The OL got prison raped today
 
And it killed our offense.

Brown got raped. Wylie got raped. Buckner made Creed and especially Smith his bitch. And our OL got zero push on running plays. None. Nada.

Constant pressure in Patrick’s face when they rushed 4.

This one ain’t on the receivers folks. The Colts dropped 7 in coverage most of the day bc their front 4 killed our OL.

Just an embarrassment overall but wow am I disappointed by every player on the OL today

kcclone 09-25-2022 02:08 PM

Please don't pay OBJ. He's an average LT and should be paid accordingly.

mr. tegu 09-25-2022 02:08 PM

They’ve been bad all season. It was overlooked in the Cardinals game because of their secondary being so bad but Mahomes was constantly under pressure.

ShowtimeSBMVP 09-25-2022 02:09 PM

They been getting raped all year

Gary Cooper 09-25-2022 02:09 PM

It's impossible to have a good OL if your tackles are average at best.

RunKC 09-25-2022 02:14 PM

It was incredible how the Colts had 4 DL and a LB out there and they STILL stopped our running game.

They matched Gilmore on Juju most of the game and had everyone else in coverage. 5 defenders vs 3 receivers most of the game and at the end it was 6 vs 3.

Games are decided in the trenches

ToxSocks 09-25-2022 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16487903)
They matched Gilmore on Juju most of the game and had everyone else in coverage.

Pretty pathetic that 32 y/o Gilmore can lockdown our "#1 WR."

Brett Veach can't evaluate WR talent for shit.

RunKC 09-25-2022 02:16 PM

Unreal

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs average 1.68 yards per carry outside of Mahomes runs.</p>&mdash; Kent Swanson (@kent_swanson) <a href="https://twitter.com/kent_swanson/status/1574130277332533255?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

KCUnited 09-25-2022 02:23 PM

AZ blitzed +50%
LA has the best front 4 in the league
Indy ???
Next week ???

Wisconsin_Chief 09-25-2022 02:26 PM

Orlando Brown seems to be getting worse by the game which is really impressive. He spent more time on his ass this week than upright. It was really something. Saw a few times where he just tripped himself up without really much coming at him. He’s not even average at this point. Any late 1st or early 2nd round tackle would be an improvement.

ShowtimeSBMVP 09-25-2022 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 16488037)
AZ blitzed +50%
LA has the best front 4 in the league
Indy ???
Next week ???

Bucs have one of the best DL in the league

FloridaMan88 09-25-2022 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16487944)
Unreal

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs average 1.68 yards per carry outside of Mahomes runs.</p>&mdash; Kent Swanson (@kent_swanson) <a href="https://twitter.com/kent_swanson/status/1574130277332533255?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That’s on both the RB’s and offensive line.

CEH couldn’t see and hit a gaping hole if Brooke Pryor’s whale vagina was staring him in the eye.

KCUnited 09-25-2022 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP (Post 16488091)
Bucs have one of the best DL in the league

They could have one of the worst and wouldn't matter which is the point.

Eleazar 09-25-2022 02:29 PM

We only have scat backs and the o-line is playing poorly.

TEX 09-25-2022 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16487903)
It was incredible how the Colts had 4 DL and a LB out there and they STILL stopped our running game.

They matched Gilmore on Juju most of the game and had everyone else in coverage. 5 defenders vs 3 receivers most of the game and at the end it was 6 vs 3.

Games are decided in the trenches

And by shitty ST play and for getting a drive extending personal foul for saying bad words. :shake:

Imon Yourside 09-25-2022 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcclone (Post 16487810)
Please don't pay OBJ. He's an average LT and should be paid accordingly.

He was less than average today

Imon Yourside 09-25-2022 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 16488107)
That’s on both the RB’s and offensive line.

CEH couldn’t see and hit a gaping hole if Brooke Pryor’s whale vagina was staring him in the eye.

The 2nd part could explain CEH's hesitation.

JPH83 09-25-2022 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16487939)
Pretty pathetic that 32 y/o Gilmore can lockdown our "#1 WR."

Brett Veach can't evaluate WR talent for shit.

True, but the much vaunted OL revamp isn't living up to its billing either. Our OTs are worse than 2019 by some distance. I'm not worried about Creed and Thuney but Smith needs to improve. That's a lot of work in progress given everyone thought he'd killed it.

tmax63 09-25-2022 02:37 PM

I thought OBJr was going get a false start several times, it seemed like he was bailing back on pass blocking almost before the snap.

Sassy Squatch 09-25-2022 02:38 PM

It's getting to be that time where you look to replace him. Mahomes was just running backwards scared shitless as the game progressed. We absolutely can't have him not trusting his OL.

Rausch 09-25-2022 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmax63 (Post 16488194)
I thought OBJr was going get a false start several times, it seemed like he was bailing back on pass blocking almost before the snap.

He had two false starts that were obvious and not called. Not his best game. He's not getting that blockbuster deal unless he gets it on track quick...

ShowtimeSBMVP 09-25-2022 02:39 PM

No running game is hurting the O

RINGLEADER 09-25-2022 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcclone (Post 16487810)
Please don't pay OBJ. He's an average LT and should be paid accordingly.

Not sure if he was even average today.

Rausch 09-25-2022 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP (Post 16488210)
No running game is hurting the O

I thought McKinnon looked good. That is all...

mlyonsd 09-25-2022 02:41 PM

If they can hold pat to 17 points without blitzing, yeah we have an OL problem.

RetiredSeniorChief 09-25-2022 02:41 PM

The whole team seemingly was in a self-imposed funk.

Bowser 09-25-2022 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP (Post 16488210)
No running game is hurting the O

They need to get the backs way way more involved in the passing game. Not dump offs but send them out on routes.

Eleazar 09-25-2022 02:42 PM

Seems like maybe OBJ could have used a full training camp

dannybcaitlyn 09-25-2022 02:43 PM

First fire Andy Heck oline coach. You want to be able to run the ball? Hire Mike Munchak. Then go find us two new bookend tackles.

Marcellus 09-25-2022 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 16488234)
Seems like maybe OBJ could have used a full training camp

He missed like 3 days. Dude just isn't that good and appears to have cost himself a shitload of money.

tk13 09-25-2022 02:49 PM

It's just a continuation of last year. You either have to be able to run the ball or pass protect. If you can't do either you're in big trouble. Teams are just going to sit back and drop everyone in coverage and whip us up front with 3-4 rushers.

Rausch 09-25-2022 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 16488269)
He missed like 3 days. Dude just isn't that good and appears to have cost himself a shitload of money.

Not looking good in a contract year always costs you money...

Baby Lee 09-25-2022 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP (Post 16488091)
Bucs have one of the best DL in the league

Don't be surprised if that upcoming game looks an eerie lot like the last meeting.

TEX 09-25-2022 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlyonsd (Post 16488225)
If they can hold pat to 17 points without blitzing, yeah we have an OL problem.

Yep. And it starts at LT.

RINGLEADER 09-25-2022 02:50 PM

Chiefs averaging 18.5 ppg the last two weeks.

IrsaysLiver 09-25-2022 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16487944)
Unreal

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs average 1.68 yards per carry outside of Mahomes runs.</p>&mdash; Kent Swanson (@kent_swanson) <a href="https://twitter.com/kent_swanson/status/1574130277332533255?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Can we officially call CEH a hard bust now?

Also he runs like a ****ing toddler(with no burst) who stole a muffin every time he gets the ball.

KC Hawks 09-25-2022 02:59 PM

CEH had 7 carries for 0 yards. That's impressive.

Best22 09-25-2022 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 16488285)
Don't be surprised if that upcoming game looks an eerie lot like the last meeting.

Depends on how healthy the Bucs offense is. Could be a defensive grind

ShowtimeSBMVP 09-25-2022 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Hawks (Post 16488343)
CEH had 7 carries for 0 yards. That's impressive.

You could have the best RB in the league. This OL is awful at run blocking.

Marcellus 09-25-2022 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Hawks (Post 16488343)
CEH had 7 carries for 0 yards. That's impressive.

I honestly dont think we should blame CEH, the OL wasn't getting any holes opened up at all.

Rausch 09-25-2022 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Best22 (Post 16488348)
Depends on how healthy the Bucs offense is. Could be a defensive grind

The Bucs offense is very not healthy. And that was before the start of today's game...

OKchiefs 09-25-2022 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16487939)
Pretty pathetic that 32 y/o Gilmore can lockdown our "#1 WR."

Brett Veach can't evaluate WR talent for shit.

Or RB talent, or OT talent

DRM08 09-25-2022 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IrsaysLiver (Post 16488305)
Can we officially call CEH a hard bust now?

Also he runs like a ****ing toddler(with no burst) who stole a muffin every time he gets the ball.

How much of the problem is CEH and how much is the OL?

FringeNC 09-25-2022 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP (Post 16488353)
You could have the best RB in the league. This OL is awful at run blocking.

Pass protection is no better.

scho63 09-25-2022 03:39 PM

CEH had a HUGE hole in I think early third. Instead he plowed into the back of a KC OL and Colts DL for no gain or -1.

His vision is ****ING HORRIBLE

crayzkirk 09-25-2022 03:48 PM

it looks like teams know the play before it's even called. On running plays, the Colts were always plugging the holes and on passing plays, the Colts were no holds barred to the quarterback. Someone or something is tipping off the other team. The offense looks lifeless and dull.

MahomesMagic 09-25-2022 03:49 PM

Colts have a very good group on DL.
Not having a FG kicker we could trust, Skyy Moore giveaway near the endzone, and Chris Jones penalty sunk us on a day we were relatively flat.

We beat up the Chargers last week but they beat on us pretty good too.

On to Tampa.

KCUnited 09-25-2022 03:51 PM

Every team we play has a good DL or blitzed /every post-game analysis

They haven't been good enough

JohnnyHammersticks 09-25-2022 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 16488206)
He had two false starts that were obvious and not called. Not his best game. He's not getting that blockbuster deal unless he gets it on track quick...

Tag him once more and look for a replacement. Usually you can say ‘some team will be dumb enough to pay him what he wants’, but if he won’t come off his demands to be paid like an elite LT then I don’t know if that team even exists. He’s not terrible, but he’s nowhere near an elite LT.

DRM08 09-25-2022 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crayzkirk (Post 16488510)
it looks like teams know the play before it's even called. On running plays, the Colts were always plugging the holes and on passing plays, the Colts were no holds barred to the quarterback. Someone or something is tipping off the other team. The offense looks lifeless and dull.

Colts DC Gus Bradley is very familiar with KC’s offense and he was able to slow them down pretty well during his time with the Chargers. Mahomes had less than 200 yards passing in each of the 2019 Charger games, a year KC won the Super Bowl.

Chris Meck 09-25-2022 03:55 PM

Wylie sucks and has always sucked.

OBJ is average and appears to have regressed.

This is the biggest issue on the offense right now, in my opinion.

Sassy Squatch 09-25-2022 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16488526)
Wylie sucks and has always sucked.

OBJ is average and appears to have regressed.

This is the biggest issue on the offense right now, in my opinion.

They're playing at the same level, which is terrible. They're playing poorly enough that it puts our Super Bowl aspirations in serious jeopardy if it's left unaddressed.

Coochie liquor 09-25-2022 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16488232)
They need to get the backs way way more involved in the passing game. Not dump offs but send them out on routes.

It’s hard when you need them in to block what your OL can’t.

JPH83 09-25-2022 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16488526)
Wylie sucks and has always sucked.

OBJ is average and appears to have regressed.

This is the biggest issue on the offense right now, in my opinion.

It's closely followed by our WRs imo. Absolutely nobody is concerned about MVS and JJSS.

Coochie liquor 09-25-2022 04:00 PM

Andy mother****ing Heck is still who he’s always been. Yet we continue to employ him.

Coochie liquor 09-25-2022 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 16488547)
It's closely followed by our WRs imo. Absolutely nobody is concerned about MVS and JJSS.

Why should they be when the OL can’t hold a block for 5 seconds?

Chris Meck 09-25-2022 04:04 PM

I think it's time to play Wanegho. He looked okay those couple of snaps Wylie was out. The reality is that he will not be worse, but you at least might have some upside. Wylie is not going to get better.

I think we're stuck with Brown, unfortunately.

dannybcaitlyn 09-25-2022 04:05 PM

Most overrated O-line in the league. I don’t see what PFF sees in it.

BWillie 09-25-2022 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16487944)
Unreal

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs average 1.68 yards per carry outside of Mahomes runs.</p>&mdash; Kent Swanson (@kent_swanson) <a href="https://twitter.com/kent_swanson/status/1574130277332533255?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The funny thing is there are people who actually think we should run the ball...more.

TEX 09-25-2022 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16488579)
The funny thing is there are people who actually think we should run the ball...more.

Reid was one of them today.

TEX 09-25-2022 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16488526)
Wylie sucks and has always sucked.

OBJ is average and appears to have regressed.

This is the biggest issue on the offense right now, in my opinion.

Exactly the case.

KCUnited 09-25-2022 04:13 PM

I get new faces in the WR room but the Oline looks the ****ing same which isn't good enough for a room full of 2, 3 and 5's receivers and a running back room full of sadness and a rookie.

Straight, No Chaser 09-25-2022 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16488559)
I think it's time to play Wanegho. He looked okay those couple of snaps Wylie was out. The reality is that he will not be worse, but you at least might have some upside. Wylie is not going to get better.

I think we're stuck with Brown, unfortunately.

When is Niang off the PUP?

Coochie liquor 09-25-2022 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Straight, No Chaser (Post 16488603)
When is Niang off the PUP?

His funeral.

TEX 09-25-2022 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 16488520)
Tag him once more and look for a replacement. Usually you can say ‘some team will be dumb enough to pay him what he wants’, but if he won’t come off his demands to be paid like an elite LT then I don’t know if that team even exists. He’s not terrible, but he’s nowhere near an elite LT.

His ceiling seems to be average. He's nothing special.

Chief Pagan 09-25-2022 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 16488206)
He had two false starts that were obvious and not called. Not his best game. He's not getting that blockbuster deal unless he gets it on track quick...

And if he got more or less back on track for the rest of season you would trust him with a blockbuster deal?

:hmmm:

Coochie liquor 09-25-2022 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16488611)
His ceiling seems to be average. He's nothing special.

He’s not worth the tag unless we’re gonna trade him. I’d ask Houston for a straight up trade for Tunsil.

Chris Meck 09-25-2022 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Straight, No Chaser (Post 16488603)
When is Niang off the PUP?

I don't know, but Wylie is slow, which he makes up for by also being weak.

JohnnyHammersticks 09-25-2022 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Straight, No Chaser (Post 16488603)
When is Niang off the PUP?

Game 5, right? 4 game IR? No idea how his recovery is going or if he’s anywhere close to being ready. Based on his history I’d say about week 14.

TEX 09-25-2022 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 16488628)
He’s not worth the tag unless we’re gonna trade him. I’d ask Houston for a straight up trade for Tunsil.

I'm not sure Cesario would do that, (Too bad BOB is gone) but it's worth a shot I guess. Because it's clear that OBJ can't play at the level the Chiefs need him to in this offense.

Rausch 09-25-2022 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan (Post 16488622)
And if he got more or less back on track for the rest of season you would trust him with a blockbuster deal?

:hmmm:

We have 11ty billion draft picks this year. Let him walk when the season is over and spend a 1st or 2nd on LT. Or trade one if a solid option is out there.

This was a rebuilding year. It was a sneaky and competitive one but that's exactly what they're doing. We replaced half the starters on defense and 1/3 of them on offense. That's a rebuild.

I'm actually impressed with how well we're playing despite that fact...

Rausch 09-25-2022 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16488643)
I'm not sure Cicerio would do that. But it's worth a shot I guess. Because it's clear that OBJ can't play at the level the Chiefs need him to in this offense.

Offer him RT or the door. He's not a high dollar LT unless he's in a run heavy offense...

BWillie 09-25-2022 04:25 PM

I really wasn't too frustrated with the pass blocking today. Wasn't great but wasn't bad. Run blocking just wasn't working

kccrow 09-25-2022 04:28 PM

Would really like to see Geron Christian get a shot to start at RT. It would at least let them know if they have to look for both next year or not. It's painfully obvious they need to spend some capital and move up in round 1 for a LT. Re-signing OBJ cannot be the plan, he's horrendous blocking any type of speed on the edge.

TEX 09-25-2022 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16488674)
I really wasn't too frustrated with the pass blocking today. Wasn't great but wasn't bad. Run blocking just wasn't working

Both were pretty bad. But I get what you're saying about the run blocking, especially since this is supposed to be an elite run blocking OL. Today it was horrendous.

TEX 09-25-2022 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 16488652)
Offer him RT or the door. He's not a high dollar LT unless he's in a run heavy offense...

Agreed.

TEX 09-25-2022 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 16488642)
Game 5, right? 4 game IR? No idea how his recovery is going or if he’s anywhere close to being ready. Based on his history I’d say about week 14.

Yep. Naing is not someone you can count on. He has already shown us who he is, and I believe him.

RunKC 09-25-2022 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16488579)
The funny thing is there are people who actually think we should run the ball...more.

When teams manhandle your OL up front they can drop 7 no matter who the QB and receivers are.

It’s essentially 7 defenders vs 4 receivers with the DL putting pressure on the QB.


That never ever ends well

BWillie 09-25-2022 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16488697)
Both were pretty bad. But I get what you're saying about the run blocking, especially since this is supposed to be an elite run blocking OL. Today it was horrendous.

Admittedly I was playing in poker tournament while watching but looked like Mahomes was holding onto the ball sometimes. But ya def not a good performance by the line...and OBJ in particular

emaw1979 09-25-2022 06:39 PM

I wish they would ditch the zone blocking scheme.


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