NFLPA initiates investigation into concussion protocols after Tua injury
 

This didn't take long.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NFLPA has told the NFL that it wants to initiate a review of the concussion protocols in light of Tua Tagovailoa’s return to today’s game in Miami, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1574143846702845952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tua?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Tua</a> will be ruled out for <a href="https://twitter.com/MiamiDolphins?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MiamiDolphins</a> vs <a href="https://twitter.com/BuffaloBills?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BuffaloBills</a>.<br>Outward signs of head injury means ruled out even if clears the concussion protocol. <a href="https://t.co/Lj2AKO5D1A">pic.twitter.com/Lj2AKO5D1A</a></p>&mdash; David J. Chao - ProFootballDoc (@ProFootballDoc) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1574101970163359744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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It's there it was just a coding error. I switched to Schefter's.

HTF did they let him back in the game?

Because when you're the Dolphins, you'll do anything to win a big week 3 matchup.

I'm sure this investigation will be fruitful

I think you're right, but it probably will be now.

Hopefully it is but I’m still doubtful

Think how livid we would all be if the chiefs did this shit to pat. Man **** that

The organ harvest will be the spin

The Dolphins deserve to lose a draft pick from that shit.

That guy should have NEVER been allowed back in a game.

Well their media darling status didn’t last very long

Instead of making teams observe the existing protocol which they clearly did not, the NFL will just make it more onerous so it looks like they’re doing something.

Jesus, they’re releasing him tonight and letting him hop onto a plane? This seems ****ed up. You have 10 days til the next game. Hold him back for observation. This all seems so reckless

They mortgaged the future for this year. Concussions don’t exist.

I love football, it's my favorite sport, but ****, this kind of shit makes it so hard to feel good about it

Make the Dolphins give the SB winner (The Chiefs) their first round draft pick. :thumb:

Who is ur favorite team

Curious to know this

First rounder.


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The Dolphins should be forced to give their undefeated season to the KC Chiefs

Kansas City Chiefs

Okay now this is epic

i really can't believe the coach let him back in the game. Or the NFL. He was clearly hurt against the Bills and it's called a loose back. Now Tua might be in bad shape.

As much as I wanted the Chiefs to win... Never at the expense of the health of a player.

He got up wobbly last game. That should have kept him out. Thats the rule.

It all feels so awful….

He was wobbly yet went back in the same game
He starts on 4 days rest after a clear concussion
Nfl colludes with Miami to call this a back injury
Tua gets such a severe concussion his fingers clamp up (many head injury experts are saying 2 concussions in 5 days can be deadly)
He is released from the hospital the same night and allowed to hop on a plane

The chiefs have shelved players like DAT for an entire season for this. The dolphins have reached a point where they’re so intent to cover this up that they’ll keep playing him through this just to prove he wasn’t actually concussed. And the nfl is just as interested in covering their tracks.

Miami fan is blinded by thirst for success.

https://finheaven.com/threads/just-w...-worse.374676/

The comments in that thread are….wow.

I'm disgusted by the NFLs attempt to downplay the prior head injury through the announcers as a "back" injury

Thursday night football needs to not be a thing. Maybe a Saturday night wouldn’t be too bad.

I hope they release the findings of the “independent physicians “ who cleared him mid-game last week and cleared him to play this week.

FinHeaven has become FinHell.

I really don't understand all the hubbub about this.

Last week he had a back and ankle problem that caused him to stumble.

This week he got thrown to the ground pretty hard.

In college he had a pretty horrific injury that impacted his draft stats.

Like Robert Griffith's III. Maybe it's time to admit that Tuas body can't handle football.

It would be great to see a Myth Busters type analysis of different playing surfaces and forces on the brain from striking the surface.

The shield will stifle any info that would hurt the NFL. Nothing will come of this.

This is “only” like the third worst recent transgression committed by the Dolphins franchise… what a dumpster fire.

If this guy gets cleared to play the next game, Goodell should be tied to the goalpost and shot by a firing squad.

The NFL will lose ALL credibility about player safety right along with the union.

I'm just resting easy knowing no vacuum cleaners were harmed

He won't be playing next week even if he was fine because of the media influence in the game.

Unbelievable that they let this guy play last week.

In '63 Al Michaels was concerned JFK may have suffered from whiplash after being shot

I want to preface this from the POV of 'I don't know, but neither do you.'

This level of certainty about the buckling seen on Sunday, or even the fencing/spasming on Thursday from seeing it on TV, is frustrating.

It's entirely possible that the docs are in the tank, and no one in the line of protocol kept them in check, and it's possible that Tua is some motivated master of masking the true source of his problems from all evaluators. But it's also possible that everyone is being on the up and up.

Point is, this level of certainty from lay observers is just as concerning as the things they are certain about.

That buckling on Sunday is concerning to observe, but I also had a recent momentary twinge in my lower extremity that could have been very concerning from the outside.

For some reason, could even be fighting off another flare-up of gout, I've had some soreness in my big toe, . . . just barely a notch above 'noticable.' But then when grocery shopping the other day, it turned sharp for JUST A SECOND and radiated right the eff up my leg. And for just a moment my foot couldn't take weight. I had to hold on to dear life to my shopping cart so I didn't take out a row of snacks.

A second later I was fine, but I can imagine if a stranger had been watching me closely, they might have thought I was on the verge of a stroke or something.

My point isn't to say I know anything here, just an example that reminded me how diversely symptoms of various things can manifest, and to say from visual observation you know it has to be one specific thing is not necessarily helpful, even if you have good intentions.

There's like no chance he plays next week. The optics alone prevent that.

You would think but the dolphins and the nfl seem intent on claiming this is a back injury. The question is, will they hold him out because of a back injury or will they put him on concussion protocol? I’d bet the former and that’s going to deservedly lead to tons of backlash.

Ha.

No shit?

Dude shouldn't have finished the game last week or started this week.

Glad they're looking into it NOW tho.

Exactly. Tony Gonzalez and Whitman were saying the same kind of things last night. I would be shocked if the doctors involved would be willing to risk their years of education, pay, and lifestyle on any QB in the NFL. It's not impossible either.

Given the Dolphins recent history, doing something like that should lead to punishment, IMO.

This is the benign NFL... Shoot, in the 70's without a million cameras on the field, they would have taken him to the bench and broke a couple of ammonia tabs under his nose and he probably would have played again. That was wrong, but this is far from the way it used to be.

How about we go with the simplest explanation.

Tua got drilled, it scrambled his eggs, team needed him to beat buffalo so they sent him back out.

:eek:

And then Amazon needed him to get viewers to stream "Tua vs Burrow : The Pro Years, Pt 1"

It's obvious WHY they trotted him out there. It's not because he's the better QB, because the team scored more and more efficiently with Bridgewater...

Yup, by all measures mahomes was ok after getting knocked against cincy. But they ruled him out the rest of the game. Not only did they return him to the game they let him clear concussion protocol on a short week. So one part of you says this is on medical staff whose primary job is to provide minimal clearance to return. I think the bigger issue is the dolphins team who had the authority to sit him and chose not to.

2pac Tagovailoa:

https://www.mlive.com/resizer/Jjf_p9...TPLIZSD32A.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zdB5RDVm7Zs/maxresdefault.jpg

The doctors work for the teams.

The teams are supposedly franchises, but they really aren't: they are factions of The Shield.

The Shield wanted Tua on the field to beat Buffalo last week, and wanted him on the field last night.

It's about ratings. Viewers. Algorithms. Money.

Nothing truly bad will happen to the Dolphins as long as they have the interests of The Shield at play.

The independent neurologist that's supposed to be the arbiter does not work for the team. That's the whole point of being "independent".

The protocol was either circumvented or it failed. My guess is that it's the former, we just don't know how they did it yet.

:cigar:

That is a really dumb fan base, lol.

The Dolphins staff discussing Tua’s status for next week:

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The stats don't really back that up.

And from the players I've heard speak to it, they like the occasional Thursday night game because it gives them a free weekend and a 'mini-bye' afterwards.

I don't really see a reason to eliminate it at this point.

There is an independent doctor already factored-in because of that exact concern as a check and balance.

So here is what people collectively are saying in essence

The team doctor is dirty/incompetent
The independent doctor is dirty/incompetent
The hospital last night is incompetent for letting him leave with the team yesterday

That's just not reasonable.

Right.

Kelce was saying in his podcast that when he got his in the Titans game he was absolutely down in the locker room screaming and throwing shit because he wanted to go back in and couldn't.

This is the thing. People slamming the Dolphins - justifiably - but what about the independent review process? Whether or not guys are cleared to play after potential concussions was supposed to be taken out of the team's hands. Whoever the independent reviewer was should be getting at least as much blame as the Dolphins' coaches.

This is why I have to believe Tua passed all the protocols on Sunday to get back in the game.

And I don't buy into the narrative the league is deciding who gets to play based on rating etc...that's just nonsense. The NFL had to settle a massive massive lawsuit already they aren't setting themselves up for another. You would have to have way too many people involved to keep that kind of shit secret. Frankly I don't get why some people even watch the NFL with all the conspiracies they believe in.

There are a metric shit ton of bad games scheduled in prime time to act like Tua was cleared just to make it a better game is beyond stupid.



If the league was soooo worried about optics and matchups for prime time, no way in hell would Matt Ryan vs Russel Wilson be happening next Thursday. :D

Always rely on Stavros to maintain perspective

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fd3c9JcW...jpg&name=small

Im assuming Tua lied to the independent neurologist and the neurologist took it as "good enough for me".

I wonder if video review is part of the process. I have to wonder if the independent neurologist actually saw what happened to Tua on Sunday. It's hard to believe someone could see that and then go, "oh sure, that's not a concussion. I know that for SURE. Back spasms seem more likely".

You could see the dude's head bounce off the grass. His head was dangling when he sat up like it was about to fall off his neck.

FFS, he even did the little headshake thing like he was trying to shake it off before getting up.

Concussion seemed obvious and that was BEFORE the wobble legs.

We give each other so much shit for being reeruns here, but...take a trip around the league, look at 31 other message boards and come back here with a whole new appreciation for every reeruned one of us here on CP, for real tho.

All of these.

The neurologist isn't just asking him questions about how he feels. There is a panel of tests they do. Kelce even mentioned how tedious a process it was on his last podcast.

Its possible he passed the test even though he had some level of head trauma.

Hard for the neurologist if Tua said his back spasmed or something that caused him to be wobbly. If he had no symptoms and passed the baseline test, there was not much more the Independent neurologist could do.

Like Marcellus said, Tua doesn't really have a "say". It's not about what he tells them, it's about what they see.

If they examined him and said he was ready to play, they're just incompetent then.

Yep, everyone on their couch knows more and knows better than actual freaking doctors who are at the scene...classic CP.

Here is the NFL protocol. Seems to me everything that happened Sunday will be documented somewhere and should be a fairly easy investigation. :shrug:

https://www.nfl.com/playerhealthands...ement-protocol

His histrionics aside, the system worked.

And my recollection is that these are tailored to each player's respective baselines.

I think he probably DID pass the test. And I'd be surprised if the test wasn't properly administered.

I just think it MIGHT expose a small hole in the net. But the more you try to make this a 'judgment call' issue, the more you're going to open the door to criticism when someone gets pulled out by a judgment call during a playoff game or something.

The league should probably tread lightly here. They have made HUGE strides and I honestly think what they've put in place is sufficient. If the rules were followed, I don't think they should tinker with it too much.

Interdasting.

That's a pretty big...and silly...assumption.

It's just as viable as anything else being tossed around right now.

So the possible conclusion here is that he passed the protocol and the team decided to put him back in.

If so, then it IS on the team. He may have cleared the protocol but there still has to be some common sense applied.

Oh because players don't do everything they can to return to the field, including lying about their symptoms, eh?

The idea that a player could pass the tests and lie and STILL have had head trauma just doesn't register as possible to you?

Your post above pretty much contradicts your other post saying that such a thing isn't reasonable, so ok.