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staylor26 10-02-2022 09:59 PM

HUGE bounce back performance from the OL
 
I know it wasn't perfect from a pass blocking perspective, but just from a pure physicality standpoint, this was really great to see.

When you can do that against the Bucs DL and front 7, you should be able to do it to anybody.

TLO 10-02-2022 09:59 PM

OBJ sucks

BWillie 10-02-2022 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16504475)
I know it wasn't perfect from a pass blocking perspective, but just from a pure physicality standpoint, this was really great to see.

When you can do that against the Bucs DL and front 7, you should be able to do it to anybody.

I don't care if we can run block or not at least if that is at the expense of bringing in great pass blockers

TLO 10-02-2022 10:00 PM

But to your point, yes - they played well tonight. The interior is so solid.

Buehler445 10-02-2022 10:01 PM

Yes. Throw Burton and Pacheco, and even CEH in there too. There was a real **** you streak out there.

And I'm here for it.

staylor26 10-02-2022 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16504478)
I don't care if we can run block or not at least if that is that at the expense of bringing in great pass blockers

Shut up, bitch.

We just punked a front 7 with a bunch of badasses. That stuff translates to the playoffs.

TwistedChief 10-02-2022 10:02 PM

Yes. It was great to see.

I never bought the idea that they has regressed as much as it seemed after the Colts game.

Glad we got back to some sense of normalcy here as we absolutely can’t expect to contend with anything but an above average OL.

smithandrew051 10-02-2022 10:02 PM

Shaq Barrett said the OL was pretty much the same as what we trotted out there in the Super Bowl though

BWillie 10-02-2022 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16504486)
Shut up, bitch.

We just punked a front 7 with a bunch of badasses. That stuff translates to the playoffs.

Pass protection with OBJ was shit though.

carcosa 10-02-2022 10:03 PM

Almost like it's silly to overreact to one bad game???

smithandrew051 10-02-2022 10:03 PM

Give Mahomes an elite run defense and a nasty violent run game, and we’ll win a lot of ****ing games

mr. tegu 10-02-2022 10:03 PM

Definitely the best they’ve looked all season.

Titty Meat 10-02-2022 10:03 PM

What's Shaq Barretts bitch ass have to say now?

oldman 10-02-2022 10:04 PM

I'd say those interior 3 were flat out monsters tonight. I'll even give Wylie a little credit. Brown, Jr. -- might best be suited to play RT, or maybe OG. If we get up big on some team, I'd like to see the Prince get a shot. Brown needs to start backing up to the pay window.

Pitt Gorilla 10-02-2022 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16504486)
Shut up, bitch.

We just punked a front 7 with a bunch of badasses. That stuff translates to the playoffs.

:clap:

staylor26 10-02-2022 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16504494)
Pass protection with OBJ was shit though.

I disagree that it was "shit", but yet it didn't matter against arguably the best defense and front 7 in the NFL.

Gary Cooper 10-02-2022 10:05 PM

I admit I didn't see that coming. Especially against Tampa's front. I feel this OL is better at run blocking. I'd like to see less RPO to allow the backs to hit the hole without delay. You can have the best QB in football and still run a lot. Belichick wasn't afraid to run constantly if the other team couldn't stop it. That's one adjustment Reid needs to make when the running game is working.

Jewish Rabbi 10-02-2022 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16504499)
What's Shaq Barretts bitch ass have to say now?

He’s too busy sucking Pachecos dick to talk

DRM08 10-02-2022 10:06 PM

It was great to see. Hopefully they can keep it going.

smithandrew051 10-02-2022 10:06 PM

I would like to also point out that Devin White got drug like a bitch on multiple occasions

Marcellus 10-02-2022 10:06 PM

Vindication personified.

RunKC 10-02-2022 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16504499)
What's Shaq Barretts bitch ass have to say now?

Nothing lmao

Shaq Barrett's stats against the Chiefs: 4 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 QB hits, 0 TFL

RaidersOftheCellar 10-02-2022 10:07 PM

Just pathetic that people were calling it a bad line after one poor game, despite everything they’ve proven in the past.

It’s really weird that so many fans of such a talented team and coaching staff expect failure. This isn’t the Broncos or Raiders.

staylor26 10-02-2022 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16504521)
Nothing lmao

Shaq Barrett's stats against the Chiefs: 4 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 QB hits, 0 TFL

Hey he did make a play from the backside when nobody blocked him that 1 time!

staylor26 10-02-2022 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16504522)
Just pathetic that people were calling it a bad line after one poor game, despite everything they’ve proven in the past.

It’s really weird that so many fans of such a talented team and coaching staff expect failure. This isn’t the Broncos or Raiders.

They're full blown cowards.

Like I've said in the past, before we won a SB, it was understandable. Now, it's just pathetic.

Gary Cooper 10-02-2022 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16504522)
Just pathetic that people were calling it a bad line after one poor game, despite everything they’ve proven in the past.

It’s really weird that so many fans of such a talented team and coaching staff expect failure. This isn’t the Broncos or Raiders.

TBH, it was two poor games. The line didn't look great against the Chargers either.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-02-2022 10:10 PM

They just made one of the best front 7s in the league look like Ray Ray and the Ravens against the Big Willie's. "They double teaming me coach"

ChiTown 10-02-2022 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16504489)
Yes. It was great to see.

I never bought the idea that they has regressed as much as it seemed after the Colts game.

Glad we got back to some sense of normalcy here as we absolutely can’t expect to contend with anything but an above average OL.

That Colts game was just bizarre all the way around. As bad as we played on O, had Wright been our kicker in that game instead of Ammendola, we would be 4-0 :mad:

Marcellus 10-02-2022 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 16504539)
They just made one of the best front 7s in the league look like Ray Ray and the Ravens against the Big Willie's. "They double teaming me coach"

Wasn’t Priest Holmes against Atlanta but it was fun.

RaidersOftheCellar 10-02-2022 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JudasRising20 (Post 16504538)
TBH, it was two poor games. The line didn't look great against the Chargers either.

But Mahomes has proven many times he doesn’t need perfect protection anyway. A slight issue at tackle is no reason to throw in the towel. Plus, I’m not sure any tackles are going to look great vs Bosa and Mack.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-02-2022 10:15 PM

Top offense in football according to some advanced metrics....even facing some legit defenses

MahomesMagic 10-02-2022 10:17 PM

I don't think we're keeping OBJ.

BWillie 10-02-2022 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16504551)
But Mahomes has proven many times he doesn’t need perfect protection anyway. A slight issue at tackle is no reason to throw in the towel. Plus, I’m not sure any tackles are going to look great vs Bosa and Mack.

In general, the more you rely on passing the more athletic your tackles should be. The more mobile your QB is, the more athletic you want your tackles. OBJ is not athletic at all.

Inside line was great. But who gives a shit. We arent a running team.

staylor26 10-02-2022 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16504571)
In general, the more you rely on passing the more athletic your tackles should be. The more mobile your QB is, the more athletic you want your tackles. OBJ is not athletic at all.

Inside line was great. But who gives a shit. We arent a running team.

Mahomes had almost 250 yards and 3 TDs.

You act like it's preventing us from throwing the ball well/consistently.

Megatron96 10-02-2022 10:19 PM

OBJ looked a lot more violent and even agile than in any game I've ever seen him in. He just threw some guys to the ground.

Hope that's a sign of things to come.

rabblerouser 10-02-2022 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16504571)

Inside line was great. But who gives a shit. We arent a running team.

I think tonight was evidence that we should be

rabblerouser 10-02-2022 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16504574)
Mahomes had almost 250 yards and 3 TDs.

You act like it's preventing us from throwing the ball well/consistently.

No shit

ChiTown 10-02-2022 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16504571)
In general, the more you rely on passing the more athletic your tackles should be. The more mobile your QB is, the more athletic you want your tackles. OBJ is not athletic at all.

Inside line was great. But who gives a shit. We arent a running team.

When we can be more balanced as an O, we become damn near unstoppable- really, the only thing that stopped us tonight was a few dropped passes.

Pitt Gorilla 10-02-2022 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16504522)
Just pathetic that people were calling it a bad line after one poor game, despite everything they’ve proven in the past.

It’s really weird that so many fans of such a talented team and coaching staff expect failure. This isn’t the Broncos or Raiders.

I mean, that's the hallmark of CP.

smithandrew051 10-02-2022 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16504574)
Mahomes had almost 250 yards and 3 TDs.

You act like it's preventing us from throwing the ball well/consistently.

Two big drops from MVS and CEH kept that from being 300+ and 4-5 TDs.

rabblerouser 10-02-2022 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16504663)
Two big drops from MVS and CEH kept that from being 300+ and 4-5 TDs.

Facts

R Clark 10-02-2022 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16504571)
In general, the more you rely on passing the more athletic your tackles should be. The more mobile your QB is, the more athletic you want your tackles. OBJ is not athletic at all.

Inside line was great. But who gives a shit. We arent a running team.

You are a dumbass did you just watch the game? Notice we ran the ball. That’s what good teams do along with passing it . You do both they set each other up.one dimensional will get your ass beat mabey not every time but against good teams it will

Buehler445 10-02-2022 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16504522)
Just pathetic that people were calling it a bad line after one poor game, despite everything they’ve proven in the past.

It’s really weird that so many fans of such a talented team and coaching staff expect failure. This isn’t the Broncos or Raiders.

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 16504544)
That Colts game was just bizarre all the way around. As bad as we played on O, had Wright been our kicker in that game instead of Ammendola, we would be 4-0 :mad:

This performance does make the Colts game that much more inexplicable. I mean WTF were we doing out there?

I guess we were looking ahead to the ****aneers but come on man. When they’re handing you your ass wake up and go get a play.

lcarus 10-02-2022 11:11 PM

This game really reminded me of when we beat Buffalo 2 seasons ago. We went off 46 runs for 245 yards. Mahomes had 225 yards and 2 TDs passing.

This year we ran 37 times for 189 yards. Mahomes had 249 and 3 TDs passing. Very similar type of game. Both were following a stupid loss the week before where we didn't run the ball worth a damn. Before that Bills game we lost to the Raiders and had 80 rushing yards on 20 carries.

Nickhead 10-02-2022 11:15 PM

junior is doing what i thought (and it could still happen), lamar jackson was going to do: play himself out of contract money.

jerryaldini 10-02-2022 11:16 PM

37 passes 37 runs. 189 yards on the ground. Amazing how committed they were to the run. 6-8 yard chunks we are used to seeing against the old defense.

lcarus 10-02-2022 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jerryaldini (Post 16504713)
37 passes 37 runs. 189 yards on the ground. Amazing how committed they were to the run. 6-8 yard chunks we are used to seeing against the old defense.

And they did it against a damn good defensive front. I just hope they keep doing it.

dlphg9 10-02-2022 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16504580)
I think tonight was evidence that we should be

We should be a running team? That's stupid as ****. You're really dumb dude.

BWillie 10-02-2022 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jerryaldini (Post 16504713)
37 passes 37 runs. 189 yards on the ground. Amazing how committed they were to the run. 6-8 yard chunks we are used to seeing against the old defense.

Its easy to commit to the run when you aren't getting stuffed everytime.

BWillie 10-02-2022 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by R Clark (Post 16504666)
You are a dumbass did you just watch the game? Notice we ran the ball. That’s what good teams do along with passing it . You do both they set each other up.one dimensional will get your ass beat mabey not every time but against good teams it will

Yes. I too hope we can become Tennesee.

JPH83 10-03-2022 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16504551)
But Mahomes has proven many times he doesn’t need perfect protection anyway. A slight issue at tackle is no reason to throw in the towel. Plus, I’m not sure any tackles are going to look great vs Bosa and Mack.

People pointed out that our tackles aren't very good and probably need to be improved, at best the jury's out. I thought OBJ ended pretty strong last year, but tell me you're confident giving him the contract Veach offered.

Staylor may have a point, it might not matter because Mahomes. It might just mean you drop the odd game you shouldn't. I don't think Wylie is actually as bad as some suggest, especially at that cost, and OBJ could still have a strong year. But perfectly reasonable questions asked of our OTs.

Red Dawg 10-03-2022 02:46 AM

They kicked ass and made Bareet look stupid.

Bump 10-03-2022 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 16504778)
People pointed out that our tackles aren't very good and probably need to be improved, at best the jury's out. I thought OBJ ended pretty strong last year, but tell me you're confident giving him the contract Veach offered.

Staylor may have a point, it might not matter because Mahomes. It might just mean you drop the odd game you shouldn't. I don't think Wylie is actually as bad as some suggest, especially at that cost, and OBJ could still have a strong year. But perfectly reasonable questions asked of our OTs.

the problem isn't that OBJ sucks, he doesn't. The problem is that he turned down a giant contract because he wanted to be paid like Trent Williams but his level of play isn't even close. He's ok, he's good. But he's not a Trent Williams or a Willie Roaf. He doesn't dominate like those guys have.

JPH83 10-03-2022 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 16504795)
the problem isn't that OBJ sucks, he doesn't. The problem is that he turned down a giant contract because he wanted to be paid like Trent Williams but his level of play isn't even close. He's ok, he's good. But he's not a Trent Williams or a Willie Roaf. He doesn't dominate like those guys have.

Yeah I think that's probably right. He has a big enough body of work where he's been an above average to fairly good OT, albeit a better RT. That's probably where he is and that's the range he should be paid at. This year he's been poor imo but not unreasonable to expect he improves back to that level.

Imon Yourside 10-03-2022 03:46 AM

We need an Oline callout thread every week if they respond this well, seemed to light a fire under their collective asses.

srvy 10-03-2022 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Hill (Post 16504477)
OBJ sucks

Word

Sassy Squatch 10-03-2022 04:47 AM

I was pretty much half asleep for most of the game with this damn sinus infection, but did we shift philosophy a bit when it comes to rushing the football? Seems like a lot more of the runs were designed to get CEH and Pacheco going downfield ASAP instead of stretching the field first

MahomesMagic 10-03-2022 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jerryaldini (Post 16504713)
37 passes 37 runs. 189 yards on the ground. Amazing how committed they were to the run. 6-8 yard chunks we are used to seeing against the old defense.

We have a ridiculous run blocking OL.

Andy Reid adjusted from last year when everyone played shell on us.

Instead of doing stretch and slower developing runs now it's boom fast inside zone.

These plays were available last year too but now we're taking them.

Give Mahomes 2nd and 2 or 3 over and over and it's almost impossible to stop.

jd1020 10-03-2022 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 16504795)
the problem isn't that OBJ sucks, he doesn't. The problem is that he turned down a giant contract because he wanted to be paid like Trent Williams but his level of play isn't even close. He's ok, he's good. But he's not a Trent Williams or a Willie Roaf. He doesn't dominate like those guys have.

Why is that anyones problem other than OBJ's?

Chris Meck 10-03-2022 05:57 AM

This is how we need to play to win every week.

Look, the 2019-2020 offenses were a lot of fun, but defenses adjusted. They're forcing Mahomes (and the other young stud QB's) to have to be patient, consistent, and execute long drives to beat them.

Run the ball. Hit the short and intermediate stuff. Execute. Then you'll get some deep shots open up.

It's just the way it is. Good to see Big Red stick with the run, and the quicker hitting runs most of the game. That needs to be the backbone moving forward.

Make them pay for dropping 7 and 8.

If Mahomes scares them so much they're willing to just give up 6ypc, then that's totally fine. It's still 10 yards to a first down. 7 or 8 to a TD.

Football is still football.

ThaVirus 10-03-2022 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16504811)
I was pretty much half asleep for most of the game with this damn sinus infection, but did we shift philosophy a bit when it comes to rushing the football? Seems like a lot more of the runs were designed to get CEH and Pacheco going downfield ASAP instead of stretching the field first

Didn't seem like it to me. I noticed quite a few sweeps, tosses, and slow-developing runs. Everything was just working.

Why Not? 10-03-2022 06:30 AM

O line played like they took their performance last week personally, which they should have. OBJ is not a great LT, it is what it is. The interior was every bit as dominant as we expect.

Molitoth 10-03-2022 06:30 AM

Listening to Pat and Andy's post game, you can tell even the staff and players challenged the Oline this week to not play so putrid.

Anyone defending the Oline before this Bucs game is a dork... they deserved the criticism... especially for being labeled as "the best Oline in the NFL".

I hope they can continue to take their jobs seriously after they have now shown during the Bucs game that they CAN do well.

DRM08 10-03-2022 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 16504855)
Listening to Pat and Andy's post game, you can tell even the staff and players challenged the Oline this week to not play so putrid.

Anyone defending the Oline before this Bucs game is a dork... they deserved the criticism... especially for being labeled as "the best Oline in the NFL".

I hope they can continue to take their jobs seriously after they have now shown during the Bucs game that they CAN do well.

Agreed. Hopefully they can play similar to last night on a more consistent basis. It’s a long season. Not every game will be great, but hopefully they can find a strong groove heading into the playoffs.

htismaqe 10-03-2022 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16504811)
I was pretty much half asleep for most of the game with this damn sinus infection, but did we shift philosophy a bit when it comes to rushing the football? Seems like a lot more of the runs were designed to get CEH and Pacheco going downfield ASAP instead of stretching the field first

It was the same basic set of plays from what I could see. The situational play calling was just better and of course, the execution was stellar.

KCUnited 10-03-2022 07:08 AM

That was very fulfilling to watch.

That level of line play in combination with last nights play calling is going to tough for anyone to beat.

ChiTown 10-03-2022 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 16504909)
That was very fulfilling to watch.

That level of line play in combination with last nights play calling is going to tough for anyone to beat.

The play calling last night was MUCH improved over the Colts game, but the execution was superb!

New World Order 10-03-2022 08:43 AM

On offense we had a lot of quick throws/screen type plays.

Took some pressure off the line.

RunKC 10-03-2022 09:47 AM

Wylie isn’t a negative player. He’s a decent RT. He’s way better than Orland Brown Jr

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Individual numbers show nice games from Andrew Wylie and Creed Humphrey in particular. Wiley won on 96% of pass blocks and 84.8% of run blocks. Humphrey was 100% on pass blocks and 87.9 on run blocks. <a href="https://t.co/0ZNlfdMPFQ">https://t.co/0ZNlfdMPFQ</a></p>&mdash; Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamteicher/status/1576919135396634627?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sassy Squatch 10-03-2022 09:51 AM

Yeah, Wylie was pretty ****ing good last night. Unfortunately Brown was still pretty shit in pass protection. Incredibly damning when the opposing HC/DC switches his most effective EDGE onto you after identifying you as the weakest link.

Megatron96 10-03-2022 11:09 AM

Here a highlight reel from last night. Just watch OBJ in passing snaps. He handles his business most of the time.
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/YXZfwwq3F5s" title="Kansas City Chiefs vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers | 2022 Week 4 Highlights" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Again, not saying he's perfect, or that he's good enough for that contract Veach offered him. But he definitely looks better in this game, vs. a top-5 DL, than he has in the past. It's a step in the right direction.

Pitt Gorilla 10-03-2022 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16505458)
Here a highlight reel from last night. Just watch OBJ in passing snaps. He handles his business most of the time.
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/YXZfwwq3F5s" title="Kansas City Chiefs vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers | 2022 Week 4 Highlights" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Again, not saying he's perfect, or that he's good enough for that contract Veach offered him. But he definitely looks better in this game, vs. a top-5 DL, than he has in the past. It's a step in the right direction.

That's what I saw most of the night as well. He played pretty well. Not great, not outstanding, but he did pretty well. He got beat a few times and that's what some will hang their hats on, but it doesn't paint a complete picture.


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