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2bikemike 10-06-2022 04:32 PM

A new long-distance shooting record of 4.4 miles
 
Thought some of you gun guys might appreciate this. I am intrigued by long distance shooting and have a rifle doped out to 1000 yds. Its hard to find a place to shoot long distances.

A lot went into this shot.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/con...et-in-wyoming/

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A new long-distance shooting record of 4.4 miles was set September 13 in western Wyoming by a shooter who requested anonymity. Scott Austin and Shepard Humphries, managers at Nomad Rifleman, near Jackson Hole, Wyo., coordinated the massive undertaking that included a support team at the firing line and multiple spotters downrange to call impacts and document/verify the shot.

It took the pair more than 20 months for the rifle to be built, craft the bullets, collect the accessories and assemble to expertise to accomplish the feat. It was shot No. 69 that hit the 8" orange circle, 24.5 seconds after the shooter squeezed the trigger. It punched through the 4'x10' thin metal sheet only 3.125" from dead-center.

Multiple shots to walk a gun onto target are common when extreme long distance is the pursuit, but this range presented a whole new set of challenges. To reach that distance, the bullet rose 2,500 feet above the bore, into wind meteorologists only dope by weather balloon. Despite the unmeasured variable, the record-setting shot resulted from a 53-m.o.a. wind call in ground breezes that averaged 8 mph. Elevation adjustment was a mind-boggling 1,092 m.o.a. Spindrift adjustment was calculated at 93.80" to the right.

“These types of shots are just for fun” explained Shepard. “This is not for hunting purposes, and the hit isn’t consistently repeatable yet. Maybe the people who beat our record and the other smart cookies in the ELR [extreme long range] world will be able to make first-round hits at these distances in the years to come, but at this point, it isn’t a sure thing.”

The rifle was built by S&S Sporting in Driggs, Idaho, and assembled from customized parts and accessories from Canada, New Zealand, Arkansas, South Dakota and elsewhere. It is chambered in .416 Barrett and used a hand-lathed Cutting Edge MTAC 422-grain bullet. Muzzle velocity was 3,300 f.p.s. and it hit the target at 689 f.p.s.

jallmon 10-06-2022 04:41 PM

wow, much involved!

MagicalFruit 10-06-2022 04:44 PM

Damn impressive. I couldn't get my son's .243 dialed in past 100yds last weekend.

Otter 10-06-2022 04:44 PM

The round took almost a half minute to get to the target. I'd love to see the arc on this shot.

Wow!

scho63 10-06-2022 04:45 PM

That's really wild.

Megatron96 10-06-2022 04:49 PM

Crazy. Might be the most expensive mortar ever built.

carcosa 10-06-2022 04:51 PM

One time I shot a rope 5 miles

mr. tegu 10-06-2022 04:55 PM

I know a 4 miles is a long way but 24 seconds still seems way too long.

2bikemike 10-06-2022 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 16510403)
I know a 4 miles is a long way but 24 seconds still seems way too long.

Yeah it does. For 24 seconds at that distance the bullet would average 968 FPS. Considering it left the barrel at 3300 FPS and it hit the target at 689 FPS.

notorious 10-06-2022 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 16510396)
One time I shot a rope 5 miles

Mahomes has that effect.

notorious 10-06-2022 05:04 PM

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the record-setting shot resulted from a 53-m.o.a. wind call in ground breezes that averaged 8 mph. Elevation adjustment was a mind-boggling 1,092 m.o.a. Spindrift adjustment was calculated at 93.80" to the right.
That's incredible. I've hit plenty of 1000+ yard shots, but this is a whole different league.

raybec 4 10-06-2022 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 2bikemike (Post 16510414)
Yeah it does. For 24 seconds at that distance the bullet would average 968 FPS. Considering it left the barrel at 3300 FPS and it hit the target at 689 FPS.

It's a ton of rise and fall to account for though, it's not as if it's a straight 4.4 miles on a line.

2bikemike 10-06-2022 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16510419)
It's a ton of rise and fall to account for though, it's not as if it's a straight 4.4 miles on a line.

Yeah about 2500 feet worth!

KCJake 10-06-2022 05:32 PM

I remember when I dropped that 8 point white-tail buck deer from 6 miles out.

Sincerely, every red neck dipshit hunter I've ever met.

Shiver Me Timbers 10-06-2022 05:37 PM

Those are a bunch of mad scientists that figured that out.

Hydrae 10-06-2022 05:43 PM

Hehe, shot No. 69.

Shiver Me Timbers 10-06-2022 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 16510472)
Hehe, shot No. 69.

Ha
Did not register till now

Rain Man 10-06-2022 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 2bikemike (Post 16510414)
Yeah it does. For 24 seconds at that distance the bullet would average 968 FPS. Considering it left the barrel at 3300 FPS and it hit the target at 689 FPS.

I wonder how far a person can shoot to the point where the bullet slows enough for the guy at the target to just catch it in his hand.

Megatron96 10-06-2022 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJake (Post 16510463)
I remember when I dropped that 8 point white-tail buck deer from 6 miles out.

Sincerely, every red neck dipshit hunter I've ever met.

Meh, probably not, considering that most every redneck hunter can actually judge distance, unlike virtually any city-bred fool I've ever met. Nevermind that no rifle will actually shoot accurately 6 miles out . . .

Megatron96 10-06-2022 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 16510503)
I wonder how far a person can shoot to the point where the bullet slows enough for the guy at the target to just catch it in his hand.

My guess is not very much farther, as that bullet was likely falling nearly straight down by the time it reached the target.

Rain Man 10-06-2022 06:08 PM

And I wonder what it's like on the receiving end from a detection perspective. If you're some terrorist standing around picking out a goat or child to rape, do you know what's happening as the first 68 bullets hit around you? Or are you looking around and saying, "What's that noise I keep hearing, Achmed?" I'm wondering how noisy a 689 fps second bullet is if you couldn't hear it being initially shot.

Graystoke 10-06-2022 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 16510472)
Hehe, shot No. 69.

You stole my reply.
Aries?

notorious 10-06-2022 06:08 PM

I'd like to see how they had the target set up.

It would have to be pointed skyward. If it was sitting like most targets the surface area would be tiny.

Rain Man 10-06-2022 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16510506)
My guess is not very much farther, as that bullet was likely falling nearly straight down by the time it reached the target.

Hmm, so would it be basically falling at a terminal velocity? I wonder if it could get any slower. It seems like it could.

BWillie 10-06-2022 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 2bikemike (Post 16510362)
Thought some of you gun guys might appreciate this. I am intrigued by long distance shooting and have a rifle doped out to 1000 yds. Its hard to find a place to shoot long distances.

A lot went into this shot.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/con...et-in-wyoming/

Nice. I would like to hire this guy. To uh...shoot someon...I mean thing. Yeah.

Megatron96 10-06-2022 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 16510517)
Hmm, so would it be basically falling at a terminal velocity? I wonder if it could get any slower. It seems like it could.

Eh, maybe. I'd have to do some math, which isn't going to happen at this moment, but definitely a significant fraction of Vt I'd imagine. Though there might be a chart one could Google as well. I know ballsitics charts and calculators are a dime a dozen online.

notorious 10-06-2022 06:15 PM

422 grain moving at 689 will still **** some shit up.

It's like getting shot by a .45 ACP at point-blank range. 445 ft/lbs

srvy 10-06-2022 06:26 PM

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RxmaIkKOdng/maxresdefault.jpg
https://i0.wp.com/www.whiskeyriff.co...11%2C651&ssl=1
https://cowboystatedaily.com/wp-cont...-22-scaled.jpg

cosmo20002 10-06-2022 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 16510517)
Hmm, so would it be basically falling at a terminal velocity? I wonder if it could get any slower. It seems like it could.

After 4.4 miles, this bullet was still traveling at 689 fps, which is about 470 mph.

srvy 10-06-2022 06:30 PM

This is the retrieved bullet.
https://cowboystatedaily.com/wp-cont...2-1024x576.jpg

notorious 10-06-2022 06:31 PM

They fired $600 worth of ammo for that hit. LMAO

Fish 10-06-2022 06:36 PM

That scope mount. LMAO

srvy 10-06-2022 06:38 PM

23232 ft or 7744 yards.

notorious 10-06-2022 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 16510596)
That scope mount. LMAO

Yeah, what is the MOA slope of that?

I've got a 30 on my .338 LM. That thing is LMAO.

It has a couple of adjustable optics added to the end of the scope, too. I've seen them, but forgotten what they're called.

notorious 10-06-2022 06:43 PM

Vortex Razor Gen III 6-36 scope.

The target would still be a blip in that sight picture. Aim for the tiny blurry white thing and let her rip.

2bikemike 10-06-2022 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 16510596)
That scope mount. LMAO

Yeah what the hell is that at the end of the scope? Is it some kind of magnifier?

notorious 10-06-2022 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 2bikemike (Post 16510630)
Yeah what the hell is that at the end of the scope? Is it some kind of magnifier?

It's for more elevation adjustment. The scope doesn't have near enough.

Rain Man 10-06-2022 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 16510569)
After 4.4 miles, this bullet was still traveling at 689 fps, which is about 470 mph.

So it was still even faster than a Patrick Mahomes II pass. Impressive.

2bikemike 10-06-2022 06:58 PM

I took a precision marksmanship course about 10 years ago. We worked in teams. It was pretty interesting to shoot out to 1000 yards and you would shoot, your spotter a split second later would say hit and then you would here the ring of Steel.

Another interesting thing is they set up a target about 650 yards out behind a berm. If you stood up tall you could see the target. You had to try and judge where to aim against the berm lay prone and shoot to your spot. The spotter would walk you into the target behind the berm. That was a lot of fun!

srvy 10-06-2022 07:05 PM

That bullet descended to the target at a 48* angle earth's rotation had to be figured in as when the trigger is pulled 24 seconds later the target isn't in the same location.

Article
https://cowboystatedaily.com/2022/09...-world-record/
Kewl picture.
https://cowboystatedaily.com/wp-cont...-1197x1536.jpg
https://cowboystatedaily.com/wp-cont...et-9-20-22.jpg

Mike in SW-MO 10-06-2022 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 16510403)
I know a 4 miles is a long way but 24 seconds still seems way too long.

Miles out plus 2500 feet up on a parabola. Plus windage & coriolis.

mdstu 10-06-2022 08:19 PM

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I ran across this video a couple months ago. To say it had a profound effect on me would be an understatement. Anyways, I thought it was pretty interesting listening to him explain his record setting kill.

IowaHawkeyeChief 10-06-2022 08:24 PM

I've shot my brother's BMG 50, can't imagine the power behind this beast.

Hammock Parties 10-06-2022 08:43 PM

give mahomes a week of practice and he'll own the record

Mizzou_8541 10-06-2022 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 16510417)
That's incredible. I've hit plenty of 1000+ yard shots, but this is a whole different league.

You’ve hit plenty of 1000+ shots??? I bet most of those were cold bore shots too, weren’t they….

IowaHawkeyeChief 10-06-2022 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541 (Post 16511279)
You’ve hit plenty of 1000+ shots??? I bet most of those were cold bore shots too, weren’t they….

He may have, but a bullet that will go that far ain't cheap... 1000's would be tens of thousands of dollars in ammo

Rasputin 10-07-2022 01:21 AM

Impressive he hit it with his 69th shot!!!! Cool.

lawrenceRaider 10-07-2022 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541 (Post 16511279)
You’ve hit plenty of 1000+ shots??? I bet most of those were cold bore shots too, weren’t they….

1000 yard shots aren't exactly uncommon these days. Even my BIL who cheaped out on his rifle build has pretty good luck with it.

2bikemike 10-07-2022 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 16512630)
1000 yard shots aren't exactly uncommon these days. Even my BIL who cheaped out on his rifle build has pretty good luck with it.

I figure if I can do it anybody can. The biggest problem is finding a place to do it. I did it at a school in Montana. We had a range outside of San Diego that went out to 860 yards.
Once you get your scope doped its fairly straightforward to repeat provided you use the same ammo.

notorious 10-07-2022 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541 (Post 16511279)
You’ve hit plenty of 1000+ shots??? I bet most of those were cold bore shots too, weren’t they….

Some, yes.


We set up balloons and have a gong at 1000. Shot is East to West so that SW Kansas wind can equate to some impressive holdovers.

Hit 1000 with .308, 6.5cm, and 338LM

There are guys out here that would embarrass me, too. Some real skill.

ptlyon 10-07-2022 12:50 PM

One time I did a man in Laos at a mile in a half in a heavy cross wind. Maybe 3 men in the world could've made that shot. Killing is all I know.

Perineum Ripper 10-07-2022 02:06 PM

With the way guns are built now, the advancements in ammo, scopes, and knowledge that is available to read. Shooting 1000 yards is about the same as 600-700 yards 20 years ago.

Shit I could probably get everyone on this board hitting 1000 yard shots within 2MOA within an hour with each person.

Mizzou_8541 10-07-2022 03:11 PM

Wow. The number of great shooters has really increased recently. I should alert the 1stMarDiv scout/sniper schoolhouse that Kansas City is a hotbed great shooters. They might want step up their recruitment efforts. Well done, gents!

Perineum Ripper 10-07-2022 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541 (Post 16513079)
Wow. The number of great shooters has really increased recently. I should alert the 1stMarDiv scout/sniper schoolhouse that Kansas City is a hotbed great shooters. They might want step up their recruitment efforts. Well done, gents!

Or you can let 5th group know I can still shoot after they invested all the money in me and sending me through Sniper School.

Mizzou_8541 10-07-2022 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Perineum Ripper (Post 16513123)
Or you can let 5th group know I can still shoot after they invested all the money in me and sending me through Sniper School.

Would if I knew them. What school did you attend? What class? Instructors?

Marcellus 10-07-2022 03:29 PM

Pretty incredible deal, but its really just kind of a trick shot. The physics make it interesting though.

Perineum Ripper 10-07-2022 03:32 PM

United States Army Sniper School

A class in 2011

Yes there was 11 instructors

Mizzou_8541 10-07-2022 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Perineum Ripper (Post 16513137)
United States Army Sniper School

A class in 2011

Yes there was 11 instructors

“A class.” Lol. Ok bro.

lawrenceRaider 10-07-2022 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541 (Post 16513079)
Wow. The number of great shooters has really increased recently. I should alert the 1stMarDiv scout/sniper schoolhouse that Kansas City is a hotbed great shooters. They might want step up their recruitment efforts. Well done, gents!

Doubling down on dumb? Shocking.

LiveSteam 10-07-2022 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541 (Post 16513128)
Would if I knew them. What school did you attend? What class? Instructors?

208th Regiment //HQ at Helena Montana
Class//1835
Instructor// Matthew Quigley

Megatron96 10-07-2022 03:44 PM

Modern rifles are pretty good these days. It's more about the quality of the bullet, imo.

I took a long range precision shooting class a few years ago, using my stock Savage M110 (.30-'06) and hit the 1000M gong 6 out of 10 times. But I built the bullet. It took more than a dozen test ladders, iirc to find the right combination of projectile, powder, charge weight, etc. That was about two months of building and firing test bullets, I think. But none of the factory bullets I tried were acceptable, imo, so I ended up building one.

Mizzou_8541 10-07-2022 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 16513151)
208th Regiment //HQ at Helena Montana
Class//1835
Instructor// Matthew Quigley

Hell yes. Thank you for your service.

Perineum Ripper 10-07-2022 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541 (Post 16513148)
“A class.” Lol. Ok bro.

Class 03/04-11

Does that make you believe me? Did my dates make you suddenly stop being a dick because you can’t imagine people can shoot 1000 yards?

notorious 10-07-2022 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 16512826)
One time I did a man in Laos at a mile in a half in a heavy cross wind. Maybe 3 men in the world could've made that shot. Killing is all I know.

You didn't hit shit. I'm still here.

Mizzou_8541 10-07-2022 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Perineum Ripper (Post 16513168)
Class 03/04-11

Does that make you believe me? Did my dates make you suddenly stop being a dick because you can’t imagine people can shoot 1000 yards?

Lol. Tell me you don’t shoot, without telling me. Cold bore at 1000 is much different…but I’m sure you already knew that.

You don’t have shit to prove to me. I can tell you don’t shoot though.

1000+ yard shots aren’t very difficult one you establish your holds, position, range, a basic understanding of the current environment, and the bore is warm. It’s just a matter of consistency at that point. Consistency is accuracy. But real world requires cold bore shots. You do you man. I appreciate your service. We can leave it at that.

Tribal Warfare 10-07-2022 04:03 PM

YOLO

notorious 10-07-2022 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541 (Post 16513179)
Lol. Tell me you don’t shoot, without telling me. Cold bore at 1000 is much different…but I’m sure you already knew that.

You don’t have shit to prove to me. I can tell you don’t shoot though.

1000+ yard shots aren’t very difficult one you establish your holds, position, range, a basic understanding of the current environment, and the bore is warm. It’s just a matter of consistency at that point. Consistency is accuracy. But real world requires cold bore shots. You do you man. I appreciate your service. We can leave it at that.

Exactly. I've lobbed thousands of rounds under different conditions, logged results, temp, wind, pressure. After compiling that data it's not too difficult.

Obviously bullet, powder, load, etc matter. My Steyr SSG04 loves 155gr Sierra Matchking HPBT palmas loaded 43 grain (I'd have to look for powder type, my father does the loading). Steiner 4-16 Military sits on top of that with a mil-dot reticle that also shows .5 mil holdovers.

I have several scopes with christmas tree reticles, and they work great for dogs and coyotes, but I'm not a huge fan of them at the range.

I love it when I get to go to different areas, especially in the mountains where it's unfamiliar. That's a challenge. Lobbing bullets at a set range isn't.

(deleted the last part. no need for it.)

notorious 10-07-2022 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 16511341)
He may have, but a bullet that will go that far ain't cheap... 1000's would be tens of thousands of dollars in ammo

Actually, a reloaded .308 with 169 HPBT will run you around .65- .70/shot (powder, bullet, brass, primer). I stockpiled a shitload of gear years ago, new prices are probably more.

Given, a .308 will go subsonic on most days to 1000 and ****s with the stability a little, but still pretty good.

I get my brass once-shot from a guy that runs a sniper school in Oregon. Nicest damn man ever, and he sells it by the pound. Great deal.

Perineum Ripper 10-07-2022 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541 (Post 16513179)
Lol. Tell me you don’t shoot, without telling me. Cold bore at 1000 is much different…but I’m sure you already knew that.

You don’t have shit to prove to me. I can tell you don’t shoot though.

1000+ yard shots aren’t very difficult one you establish your holds, position, range, a basic understanding of the current environment, and the bore is warm. It’s just a matter of consistency at that point. Consistency is accuracy. But real world requires cold bore shots. You do you man. I appreciate your service. We can leave it at that.



Why are you bringing up cold bore shots? That isn’t anywhere in the discussion we were having. I have made lots of cold bore shots at very long distances, because I was required to. I do agree that it’s much nicer to have multiple shots at long distances to hit something consistently.


If I don’t have to prove shit, why did you ask me for my class number? Why give a dickhead answer when I didn’t give my class number in my first response? You can’t tell if I don’t shoot or shoot everyday, because you are pulling a BEP and changing the discussion.

LiveSteam 10-07-2022 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541 (Post 16513161)
Hell yes. Thank you for your service.



Lol

Mizzou_8541 10-07-2022 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Perineum Ripper (Post 16513209)
Why are you bringing up cold bore shots? That isn’t anywhere in the discussion we were having. I have made lots of cold bore shots at very long distances, because I was required to. I do agree that it’s much nicer to have multiple shots at long distances to hit something consistently.


If I don’t have to prove shit, why did you ask me for my class number? Why give a dickhead answer when I didn’t give my class number in my first response? You can’t tell if I don’t shoot or shoot everyday, because you are pulling a BEP and changing the discussion.

Lol. Walking a shot on at long range takes no skill. I’m sure you’ve made plenty of cold bore shots at 300 at an echo target. Well done.

LiveSteam 10-07-2022 04:44 PM

30 + Guns and I dnt think I.own anything that would stabilize a bullet out that far.
Remington modle 81 in 300 Savage or a 8mm Mauser that i cut 12 inches off the barrel and bed it into a Boyd's stock. It's my wolf slayer.

LiveSteam 10-07-2022 04:47 PM

Have Colt 6601 with a 1/7 twist that shoots Sierra 69gr HPBT Match really well out to 350. Buts that's all the room I had and dnt even have that anymore.

Otter 10-07-2022 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Perineum Ripper (Post 16513168)
Class 03/04-11

Kind of a funny side story:

My college roommate had a friend that used to come and visit him about twice a month who used to make up stories about being a sniper, Ranger, SEAL, or whatever he came up with at the time when trying to pickup girls.

Well one time he started talking to a group of girls who one of them had a boyfriend that just happened to be yucking it up across the bar with another group. After he already delivered his spiel of whatever SpecOps group he was in that night one of the girls boyfriends returned, it turns out he's a legit active duty SpecOp on leave.

He started asking him all kinds of questions, friendly at first, until he realized he was bullshiting. Grabbed him by the ear and said something about stealing valor (I was standing at a distance so couldn't hear well), escorted him to the door and kicked him by the ass into moving traffic. Almost got hit too.

I grew up in a military family but never served myself and listened to enough conversations to know that there's way too many little details to try and pretend you were part of the group. Plus SpecOps is a very small community, and everyone knows someone.

notorious 10-07-2022 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter (Post 16513244)
Kind of a funny side story:

My college roommate had a friend that used to come and visit him about twice a month who used to make up stories about being a sniper, Ranger, SEAL, or whatever he came up with at the time when trying to pickup girls.

Well one time he started talking to a group of girls who one of them had a boyfriend that just happened to be yucking it up across the bar with another group. After he already delivered his spiel of whatever SpecOps group he was in that night one of the girls boyfriends returned, it turns out he's a legit active duty SpecOp on leave.

He started asking him all kinds of questions, friendly at first, until he realized he was bullshiting. Grabbed him by the ear and said something about stealing valor (I was standing at a distance so couldn't hear well), escorted him to the door and kicked him by the ass into moving traffic. Almost got hit too.

I grew up in a military family but never served myself and listened to enough conversations to know that there's way too many little details to try and pretend you were part of the group. Plus SpecOps is a very small community, and everyone knows someone.


People that don't shoot but act like they do have their tells.

As soon as people tell me they think better in inches than metric (talking scopes) I kind of check out of the conversation.

My brain melts down when dudes try to do the math of adjustment in MOA at various distance. It's so simple but people can complicate it in a hurry.

I gave up trying to explain MOA and Mil to these guys a long time ago. I prefer mil after starting with MOA scopes. Really not much difference when it comes down to it.

When someone has a mildot recticle and MOA adjustments I just shake my head.

Valiant 10-07-2022 05:56 PM

As much as I would like this to be true. Those dudes look like cheaters.

Valiant 10-07-2022 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 16510569)
After 4.4 miles, this bullet was still traveling at 689 fps, which is about 470 mph.

Amazing it was in such good shape.

Stewie 10-07-2022 06:08 PM

Why wouldn't they do this sort of thing in the salt flats?

Pablo 10-07-2022 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 16513277)
People that don't shoot but act like they do have their tells.

As soon as people tell me they think better in inches than metric (talking scopes) I kind of check out of the conversation.

My brain melts down when dudes try to do the math of adjustment in MOA at various distance. It's so simple but people can complicate it in a hurry.

I gave up trying to explain MOA and Mil to these guys a long time ago. I prefer mil after starting with MOA scopes. Really not much difference when it comes down to it.

When someone has a mildot recticle and MOA adjustments I just shake my head.

Yeah, I checked a plate at about 1200 yards with my MOA 454SS EFI 3.14.

Hell of a round and gun.

notorious 10-07-2022 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 16513343)
Yeah, I checked a plate at about 1200 yards with my MOA 454SS EFI 3.14.

Hell of a round and gun.

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