Chris Jones
 

has possession of the football. How is it theoretically POSSIBLE for there to be "roughing the passer" called on Jones AFTER he has possession?!? I mean, it's literally not POSSIBLE, right?

Nobody really knows. The rules are made up and the points don't matter.

Chris Jones must've ****ed all the refs wives.

worst call ive ever seen. that was a huge swing. we shouldve had the ball and denied them of 3 points. probably wouldve scored 7


10 point swing, most likely

Yeah that was a bullshit call.

I saw it explained that the initial act of making contact with the QB supersedes the act of Jones stripping the ball out because the hit is still in motion until he gets to the ground. Stupid rule for sure

"Roughing the guy who wanted to be the passer"

there are many ways to look at the bad call. I wouldn't go this route looking at it.

You can't fall on the QB with the full weight of your giant cock..

Neither that initial contact nor the landing (where Chris braced himself from the ground with the hand that DIDN'T have the ball) were anywhere close to "roughness."

I feel like the call on the missed FG attempt was made not because it was the right call to make...refs overlook shit like that all the time....but it did even out the terrible call against jones...or atleast made it less meaningful.

How is he going to pass a ball he doesn't have?

There isn't anyone who doesn't think its a bullshit call.

What a coincidence. Cheffers is a cock.

They owed us one. I said it when they replayed it.

Few bad for the guy. The 2 bs penalties stripped him of 2 sack and a FF

Seriously. The refs spent a good portion of the game afterwards giving us all sorts of make up calls. That penalty ended up being largely a good thing for us. Glad we won but this shit needs to be addressed now by the league.

Every time there’s a big important play, it’s always Chris Jones involved. Penalties, bad calls, etc Or ****ing Fenton I guess. Fenton ****ing sucks.

At that point Carr becomes the defender

I don’t disagree with any of that. I’m just telling you what I saw as the explanation as to how that can be roughing and a strip.

Which call is the worst?

Chris Jones roughing the passer tonight
Derrick Johnson sack fumble ruled forward progress
PI against Mathieu (I think) on a pass that Brady throws out of the back of the end zone in the Super Bowl
Chris Jones roughing the passer for touching Tom Brady’s should in the AFCCG

i get it

Yeah they don't seem to like Chris much. Without those bogus penalty's he's looking at DMVP. Those are great plays.

Forward progress. All day every day.

Pain.


Tie between Jones on Brady and the forward progress rule.

That's a tough question.

I vote Chris Jones unsportsmanlike conduct for whispering a sentence to Matt Ryan after a 3rd down sack that essentially ended the game.

All of those options are pretty absurd though.

An absolutely inexplicable call.

Didn’t the ref retire?

Screw that. I don't want make-up calls. I want the refs to get it right to start with. That roughing the passer call was so ****ing bad that ****ing Denver fans were livid with it. Think about that.

In fact, a running back on a running play is more of a potential passer than this loser. Is every running play going to be watched for a roughing call now?

I’d lean with the forward progress, because I’ve never seen that call before or after.

I have never seen a stationary QB get sacked and fumble only to be ruled down by forward progress.

That one is truly unprecedented.

If not, he should start now.

I think its still the 5th down game, Colorado vs Misery in 1990.

This massive overcorrection from the Tua situation reminds me a lot of the League allowing challenges to PI after the Saints got ****ed in the NFCCG. It’s like the League needs to be able to say that they did something.

The problem is that the issue with the Tua situation was the enforcement of the concussion protocol and not the enforcement of the Roughing the Passer penalty.

Jones & Aikman both suggested a good idea. Roughing the Passer calls should be subject to booth review or at least allow the coaches to challenge it. If you're going to hand out an automatic first down on a 3rd down sack of the QB, then it needs to be a legit "roughing" play and not a normal tackle.

Stretched them out with his BBC and those 56 year old refs are pissed.

How can you rough the passer when you have possession of the ball?

The refs must hate Chris Jones. He’s had some of the absolute worst calls called against him.

The shoulder pad tap called RTP against Brady in the Afc championship game, the mean words penalty against Indy and now this which is probably one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen. Reminded me of the forward progress call on us against Mariota and the titans in the playoffs

BigRedchief actually got the scoop on what CJ said during the indy game

Good idea in theory, just like the PI review and look how that turned out. How many did they overturn? 1?

Just change the ****ing rule and stop trying to coddle people who sign up to potentially get hit.

Yeah, no shit. Ideally that doesn't happen at all but it did and I'd argue we ended up benefitting more from it. We got A LOT of calls our way until they just decided not to bother calling anything at all midway through the 4th.

DJ sack was definitely the one that had me the most furious in the moment.

Yes, Jeff mother****ing Tripplett retired after that season. That may have been his last game, but I don't care enough to look.

Not to mention,they called the penalty on # 97,i thought something happened after the strip sack,but no they can't even call it on the right number. So dumb.

Tonight’s call almost equaled my fury from that one. I was still seething well into the 3rd tonight. But yeah, forward progress on a sack? WTF? At least roughing the passer is an actual thing.

glad they won but I stopped watching after that. That was the most ridiculous thing I ever seen in the NFL

I didn’t imagine that then! I kept watching the replay looking for 97 to come flying in with a late hit and it never happened. I wasn’t sure if they misspoke or I misheard. Is appropriate that they ****ed the number up along with the call.

Carl Cheffers explanation:

“Even though Carr was being sacked, he deserves the full protection of the RTP”.

Follow up: “Even though it was a fumble”?

Cheffers: “yes”.

All of that makes sense to me.

The rule itself doesn't.

Can't lose sight of the fact that it was a fabulous play by Jones, especially for a big lineman. To strip the ball, maintain possession and to break your fall so as NOT to land on the QB in the process is very athletic. Very impressive.

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And that's fine. But there actually has to be some roughing going on. Chris Jones did absolutely nothing that could be considered roughing the passer. He even propped himself up on his arm as he fell to avoid falling on Carr.

Carl Cheffers is obviously a dumb ****.

As is the case more than ever in this league, Cheffers called what he thought he saw. But you know he never saw the fumble/strip.

The catch/no catch was a huge overturn. But they took the time to get it right. To allow that call to stand, is just a terrible precedent.

Even with out the fumble it’s horse shit. I don’t care if the QB is involved or not, it’s tackle football and if you have the ball your ass is fair game to be tackled.

They just continue to erode the integrity of the game. It may not seem possible to most right now but, it is possible to kill the golden goose.

By rule the fumble doesn't matter if a penalty is involved. So whether or not he saw it is irrelevant. You can still rough a passer after he throws the ball so logically you can still rough a passer on a strip sack. However, this whole landing with your body weight on a player you are tackling is just dumb as ****.

Full statement.

ROFLliar

Thanks. I had looked right past that in my anger

An interesting point is that Jones has possession of the ball.

Can a player with possession of the ball get called for roughing the passer?

Let’s say it’s a tipped ball, he catches it with two hands and lands full body weight on the QB while catching it. Is that RTP?

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Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player’s arms and not land on the passer with all or most of his body weight.

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How can you be expected to do that while possessing the ball.

There was still the serious holding on Chris Jones on the final drive they didn't call.

That was blatant non call.

It’s a good thing he didn’t say anything to Derek Carr when they both got up. Taunting on top of a Roughing the Passer would’ve been too many phantom calls to bear.

Literally just happened tonight. So... yes?

Really not sure how the **** that entire scenario would happen without it being 1 player tackling the QB and another player catching the ball, but if the guy tackling the QB was called for a penalty, then by rule, yes.

Kudos to CJ for learning his lesson and keeping his cool, because I was going freaking nuts. If there was ever a play where you could almost forgive a guy getting an unsportsmanlike penalty it was that one. One of the worst calls I’ve ever seen. Inexcusable.

I mean, I get that it did happen. . .
I just think, for instance, if you land with your full body weight, because you are reaching for a fumble, you shouldn’t be expected to not reach for the wall to protect the QB. Or not protect the ball you possess to protect the QB

So if you know the answer why ask the question?

Because the rule defies logic, and it is the rule itself that he is obviously questioning. Quit being smug.

Meanwhile, the Chiefs have had plenty of conflicts with Cheffers in the past.

The biggest came during the 2016 playoffs against Pittsburgh, when Cheffers called left tackle Eric Fisher for holding that negated what would have been a tying two-point conversion. The Steelers won 18-16 to advance to the AFC title game, and Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce said Cheffers “shouldn’t even be able to work at ... Foot Locker.”

Their opinion of the referee surely didn’t improve Monday night.



KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Chiefs defensive tackle Chris Jones believes the NFL should allow video review of roughing-the-passer penalties after his controversial call — the second in as many days — nearly cost the Kansas City Chiefs in their come-from-behind 30-29 victory over the Las Vegas Raiders on Monday night.

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The Chiefs had just scored to trim their deficit to 17-7 when Jones stripped Raiders quarterback Derek Carr from behind just before halftime. The Pro Bowl defensive tackle landed on Carr while also coming up with the ball — replays showed it was clearly loose and that Jones cleanly recovered — but referee Carl Cheffers threw a flag for roughing the passer.

The play happened with less than two minutes to go and was not reviewed.

Chiefs coach Andy Reid stormed off the sideline to argue with every official within earshot. And after the teams traded field goals, leaving the Raiders ahead 20-10 at halftime, Reid cornered Cheffers again as they headed to the locker room.

“The quarterback is in the pocket and he’s in a passing posture. He gets full protection of all the aspects of what we give the quarterback in a passing posture,” Cheffers told a pool reporter after the game. “My ruling was the defender landed on him with full body weight. The quarterback is protected from being tackled with full body weight.”

That explanation didn’t sit well in the Kansas City locker room.

Especially with the culprit.

“It’s costing teams games,” Jones said. “How should I tackle people? How should I not roll on him? I’m trying my best. I’m 325 pounds, OK? What do you want me to do? I’m going full speed trying to get the quarterback.”

When players emerged for the second half, Kansas City fans booed Cheffers more loudly than the hated Raiders (1-4), and the call — and the energized Arrowhead Stadium — seemed to galvanize their team. Travis Kelce had three of his fourth TD catches in the second second half and the defense made a stand in the final minute to escape with the win.

“I’ve seen (Reid) angry,” Mahomes said later, “but not about a call on the football field.”

The call came one day after Atlanta defensive tackle Grady Jarrett was flagged by referee Jerome Boger for a seemingly innocuous tackle of Tampa Bay quarterback Tom Brady. The penalty gave the Buccaneers a first down and allowed them to run out the clock on a 21-15 victory, rather than giving the Falcons a chance to drive for the win.

“What I had was the defender grabbed the quarterback while he was still in the pocket, and unnecessarily throwing him to the ground,” Boger told a pool reporter after the game. “That is what I was making my decision based upon.”

The NFL was criticized for its failure to protect quarterbacks after Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa was taken off the field on a stretcher following a violent hit in a game against Cincinnati. Tagovailoa sustained a concussion when his head slammed to the turf on a tackle by the Bengals’ Josh Tupou, who was not flagged on the play.

In the NFL rulebook, it states: “Any physical acts against a player who is in a passing posture (i.e. before, during, or after a pass) which, in the referee’s judgment, are unwarranted by the circumstances of the play will be called as fouls.”

The rulebook also notes: “When in doubt about a roughness call or potentially dangerous tactic against the quarterback, the referee should always call roughing the passer.”

Jones offered a solution: Allow replays of roughing-the-passer calls.

“Especially in critical situations in games,” he said. “We’ve got to be able to review it in the booth, you know what I mean? I think that’s the next step for the NFL as a whole. If we’re going to call it penalty at that high (of rate), then we’ve got to be able to review it and make sure, because sometimes looks can be deceiving.”

Meanwhile, the Chiefs have had plenty of conflicts with Cheffers in the past.

The biggest came during the 2016 playoffs against Pittsburgh, when Cheffers called left tackle Eric Fisher for holding that negated what would have been a tying two-point conversion. The Steelers won 18-16 to advance to the AFC title game, and Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce said Cheffers “shouldn’t even be able to work at ... Foot Locker.”

Their opinion of the referee surely didn’t improve Monday night.

“You want to protect the players in all aspects of the game, but at the same time, there’s a commonsense factor,” Mahomes said. “The refs watch tape and they practice, just like we do. I’m sure they’ll go back and make the corrections.”

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How does the rule defy logic?

It's a pretty simple rule. Dont land with your full body weight on the QB. Where's the disconnect in logic?

The issue is that its not reviewable, and even if it were reviewable there would probably be just as many overturned roughing calls as there were overturned PI calls. It's simply a dumb ****ing rule, but it's a pretty simple one.

if a ref has it out for a certain team(s), then they probably shouldn't be allowed to ref their games or maybe you know, hold them accountable and fire their ass.

Well, for instance, the rule isn’t “full” body weight. It is “all or most”. That’s pretty subjective.

CJ sure landed with “most” of his body weight on Carr.

You are definitely being smug

The rule also states “unnecessarily” landing with full body weight..

I'm beginning to think the zebras have a grudge with Jones. In light of the Brady incident and tonight's BS, there has to be some kind of review and action taken. BTW, did anyone notice one of the scum trying to spear PMII on a sack after the Jones call? Where was that call?

Which is more evidence that the rule is very subjective. Which is my point.

Uh, when going full speed trying to tackle someone it is beyond difficult to control your body when a collision occurs. Can these freak athletes some times pull it off, yes, as we have seen at times. But even the most gifted athletes cannot control every situation in those circumstances. And so you some times have roughing called when it was clearly unintentional and just a matter of physics. And we are going to penalize players for physics? Illogical rule, impractical rule, stupid rule.

I'm not being smug, just not pretending to be ****ing ignorant.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The call on Chris Jones comes from the same sentence of the rulebook as the Grady Jarrett call yesterday. But the rule also suggests a player &quot;strive to ... brace his fall with his arms&quot; (as Jones appeared to) -- and doesn&#39;t contemplate the defender having become a ball-carrier. <a href="https://t.co/djIV9bLtpj">pic.twitter.com/djIV9bLtpj</a></p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1579650035591315457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jones, clearly, didn't.

Some fans actually suggested that the Chiefs quite playing and walk out. Fortunately, our players and coaches are better than that.

I thought the Brady penalty was a disgusting call but Cheffers said hold my beer.


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