Don't blame MEH for his performance Monday night
 

I'm no fan of MEH and I never have been, so its hard for me to say this, but his lack of production in the run game on Monday night is on the OL. They did an atrocious job of blocking for him. My initial reaction from the game was that he just had one of his typical shitty games that we have grown accustom to seeing from him, but a look into the stats show that the offensive line failed him.

Clyde had 9 carries for a total of 15 yds, but the most telling stat is his yards before contact (YBC). In his career he has averaged 2.3 YBC/ATT, but Monday night he only had 6 yards before contact on 9 rushes. That comes out to 0.3 YBC/ATT and that means he was getting his pretty much at the line of scrimmage every single play. That is the 2nd lowest YBC/ATT for his entire career and the only game that was less? The Colts game a couple weeks back. In that game he had -6 YBC on 7 rushes. That comes out to -0.9 YBC/ATT.

So lets try to stop blaming him so much for his crappy stats on Monday, because the OL didn't help him even a little.

Translation, our OL sux!

Meanwhile, what was McKinnons?

MEH?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs have great blocking numbers here and a backside lane opens up. I believe the saying goes, when god closes a door. You run right into it. Forget that window. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/Atbniopo8K">pic.twitter.com/Atbniopo8K</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1580213614400921600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

if KC doesn't do to Buffalo what it did to Tampa, this could be a loss. :thumb:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It is just completely different when McKinnon is in the backfield. The speed, the vision, NO hesitation and acceleration. So FREAKING GOOD. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/v4OQXVTugD">pic.twitter.com/v4OQXVTugD</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1580215965156974598?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Damn CEH for running to a hole that closes because his blocker trips on his face.

It really seems like EVERY time McKinnon gets the ball he makes bank

I assume you mean Burton? Because Burton was going to the next level to block and MEH never got there. He got stuffed in the B gap because Allegretti wasn't able create a lane.

And because he didn't take the massive lane available to him in the B gap on the left side. Hell, he could've hit the A cap off Allegretti and stuck behind Creed for a 3 yard or so gain.

That run was entirely on Clyde. He's just not very good.

Helaire literally has no vision or burst, he needs wide open holes that stay open to gain yards.

8 yards there? Clyde gets...what, 2? Figure he'd probably try to go right off Thuney's hip and get swallowed up?

There are lanes that we can't see based on the camera angles we have. I'm betting the CEH defenders watch that same run if Clyde is the ballcarrier and when he gets stuffed for 2 they say that's all it was blocked up for. Meanwhile McKinnon just keeps flowing until Burton hits his seal block and bursts immediately into the seam it creates.

He's a better ballcarrier. MEH is is just not very good at running the football.

If Helaire was a 5th round pick and not a 1st round pick, he'd have been cut by now.

So this is Clyde's fault? I'm not acting like hes all world or anything but you literally just listed off a bunch of failures on the OL to do their job and pass it off on Clyde for not making chicken salad out of chicken shit.

The mental gymnastics people have to go through to shit on a guy that's 4.4 YPC for his career is pretty insane.

No he's not great. No he's not worth the draft pick. Also, no there isn't a better RB on this team.

Good ****ing God. It's Bills week and people are arguing about ****ing CEH.

Ugh. This run was so beautiful. He hits the crease, plants that foot down and makes an explosive cut that leaves the defender's jock on the field.

I'd like to see more zones with McKinnon and Pacheco.

On both of these the twitter preview somehow manages to hitch on the most important part of the play. And once it hitches once, it will always hitch in that spot.

For 10 years embedded twitter has been doing this.

#1 was running behind the same OL as #25 and looked like a well above average RB.

It is CEH not the OL. The OL does not make CEH run backwards and sideways. The OL does not make CEH run into traffic vs the hole they opened up.

The OL does not tell CEH to look at the pass then turn his head and let it hit his helmet.

I dont even try to watch twitter clips outside of the actual tweet any more. Not only doesn't it play right, but it also always takes like half the clip to sharpen up. It's really annoying.

A RB's job isn't to make an easy cutback for big yards?

Now the ONLY expectation we have of a starting runningback, draft status be damned, is that he run through open holes when the play is designed to hit that hole?

How many times did Jacobs get us on cut-backs yesterday? A half dozen? And typically Jacobs isn't even that great - certainly not someone know for being elusive or explosive. But he was able to do exactly what you're passing off as wholly impossible here.

The other guys get paid as well, y'know. It doesn't always go to script. I'm not asking the guy to go in motion left, take the handoff and immediately re-set his momentum and cut to the right. I'm saying that a RB coming downhill with a run that appears to have been designed to hit the right side B gap should easily be able to see that giant hole opening on the left side B game and cut into it. It isn't hard and it's not too much to ask.

Yes, I'm absolutely blaming that on Clyde. He's not some short yardage hammer of a RB - he's GOTTA be able to use vision to succeed and it sure looks like he doesn't have that club in his bag.

If all he can do is hit giant holes that open right where they're designed, he's literally as replaceable a player as exists in this sport.

Boggles my mind how they keep feeding him the ball. He literally costs you a drive a game at a minimum. Attrocious.

Not saying he isn't replaceable. I would imagine a big part of them drafting Pacheco is just that, to replace CEH. However, Pacheco hasn't shown anything more than Clyde at this point. He wasn't picking up as many yards as CEH. He was bad with the same blocking in which the OL sucked and he was good in the same games that the blocking didn't suck.

CEH is still the best RB we have on the roster. So he may be replaceable, but he's currently not replaceable with the RBs the Chiefs have on their roster.

So wtf are we bitching about 4.5 YPC for every ****ing week, even when he has a good game?

Chiefs just signed RB Wayne Gallman

Jacobs has been damn good all year...they are crazy for not picking up his 5th year

*shotguns beer and breaks femur while dropping 10 feet onto a folding table*



Is that better?

OP was an attempt to put lipstick on a pig - THAT'S why people are bitching. A fair reading of the responses would be 'pushing back on an unsupportable narrative'.

That 4.5 YPC you note is essentially one decent game. A game where a 7th round rookie was noticeably more explosive than he was. Apart from that game he has 129 yards in 4 games, and 40% of THOSE yards came on a single carry.

He's essentially thrown up 2 bagels in his last 3 starts and in the 3rd of those starts he was outplayed by a rookie. With that context, someone started a thread trying to defend a guy who's demonstrated 2+ seasons of underwhelming performance.

Yeah, that's gonna meet some resistance - as well it should.

I believe that CEH has an issue with his vision looking left.

He misses BIG holes when he starts going right or straight.
He also has problems when he swings to the right for a pass and has to turn his head left to catch. He has had 3 passes doink off him this year already, one he could find.

I have noticed that lately as well. Something to watch during bills game.

That’s that’s perfect!


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1st down run plays were a major bummer in the Raiders game. Seemed like it was almost always no gain or a very short gain. Hopefully they can get it figured out.

What is fun is no matter what CP thinks he will get his touches. Like bitching at him isn't going to take away his PT

What has CEH shown you that makes you think he is better than McKinnon or Pacheco? Just curious where this line of thinking is coming from, because he gets more carries?

I guess I should have added that MEH isn't good enough to make up for any deficiencies with the OL. He's not making yards if the line doesn't block perfectly, because he is a pile of shit.

McKinnon isn't even the same kind of RB. He is faster and can get to the edge but ask him to run up the middle and see how long he lasts. Before last night he had a 3 YPC average.

Pacheco hasn't shown **** all better than CEH. He was equally bad in the same games that CEH wasnt productive in because the run blocking was trash and he wasn't as good in the games where they were both productive. It's like people think Pacheco has shown more because he moves his feet faster which means he just gets to the ass of his blocker faster for minimal gain. People want to argue that Pacheco has potential to break off a big run, yet his long is like 20 yards shorter than CEH's. People want to act like Pacheco moves the pile and CEH doesnt yet CEH had a full yard more in YAC per attempt when that argument was brought up. Pacheco may have more potential given his speed, but he hasn't shown anything to suggest he is better yet and every argument to suggest he has is so easily disproven by a 30 second google search.

How come with Pacheco you don't bring up his 4.8 ypc like you do CEHs 4.5ypc?

Because CEH was ahead of him in YPC til they were icing the Buccs game and they were just pounding the ball and Pacheco was on the field against the Raiders for all of 1 run for 0 yards.

He hasn't shown dick to say he is better than CEH and the fact he got 1 carry against the Raiders is all the evidence you need.

I mean CEH's YPC is extremely inflated by his 52 yard run. Without it he's averaging 3.4ypc. Take Pacheco's longest run out and he's still averaging 4.2.

If only you could take out someones best run like it doesnt exist and act like sitting out an entire game in which both of them are likely to fail, preserving ones YPC, is evidence of anything.

Subtract Jerrick's 30 yarder, and his average drops to 3.28yds/att.

Just sayin'.

Yea, seems to me McKinnon is better. But being injury prone, I can understand why they would want to limit his carries.

I don't particularly think Pacheco is better than CEH, yet. But his ceiling sure looks higher and I'm not convinced his floor is any lower.

Why do you think both are likely to fail other than you appealing to authority?

That's actually the proper way to analyze any statistical data group. Or at least it was when I took statistics in HS and college.

One of the first things you do when looking at data is to remove the largest/highest and the lowest values (they are considered outliers), then average out the rest. That eliminates most of the 'skewing' effect that one or two incongruous pieces of data can create (can't remember the proper term for that right now).

So you agree that its the proper way to go about evaluating data and then you disagree in the very next paragraph by saying you also have to remove the worst outcomes. Brilliant.

What’s more concerning CEH underwhelming weekly or Andy Reid seemingly failing to recognize it? It’s inexplicable how CEH keeps getting trotted out there in front of McKinnon and Pacheco. If CEH had been a 5th rounder or later he’d have been cut already.

He definitely wouldn't be starting, unless it was on kickoff coverage.

Clyde was Mahomes' pick.

Andy asked Reid who Mahomes wanted, and Mahomes chose wrong.

Shoulda chose Jonathan Taylor.

What? I think I was pretty clear. subtract the single highest and lowest values of any data set, then average the rest. One high, one low. Is that clear enough?

Ya, it's clear enough. I took college statistics courses. I know about outliers, idiot.

Ask yourself if the person you agreed with was doing that. I know you are brain dead so I'll help you out here... He was not.

I'll bite.

What's the M in MEH stand for?

Don't blame MEH for his performance Monday night
 

I blame Joe Burrow, Justin Jefferson & Ja’Marr Chase for him being a first rounder.


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Some folks on here are lik dogs they get ahold of a player or idea and can't let go. 4.5 YPC he's far from our biggest issue

Should have chose anything but an RB, kicker or punter. Fatty would have been more useful.

My guess is like 'bleh'.

i don't know. Did we ask him if he did? Or are you just making another assumption again?:hmmm:

Maybe you should just be ore concise with your language, then I wouldn't have to guess at your meaning so much.

Oh, and congrats on taking statistics. Hope you passed.

Are you stupid or just an idiot?

It wasn't my language you were agreeing with.

You must have passed with a ****ing D. It's impressive how you just jump into a conversation and make yourself look like a complete moron with such ease.

McKinnon played better than MEH. I'm not a fan of Clyde. I'm just saying that he's not going to be able to do anything with his lack of talent when he's not getting good blocking and let's be real if he's only getting 0.3 YBC/ATT, then he's not getting good blocking. 0.3 is way off his career avg of 2.3 YBC/ATT and the 2nd lowest of his career. Just look at the pic below, it's not like this is a normal thing.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/16610412...cee4cd91f9.pnj

Mid.

Yes I understand, but Reid’s the coach who makes the personnel decisions. At this point MEH shouldn’t be getting more touches than the tandem of 1 & 10.

Um, it's like when you're non-committal about something.

Like eating at Cracker Barrel.

Your girl goes "hey babe, you wanna eat at Cracker Barrel?"

And the only real response is "meh."

Because, while Cracker Barrel isn't downright terrible...it's not really what you're craving, nor what your body needs to perform at its highest potential...but you can eat it, and it will produce a turd in the end.

So, CEH = Cracker Barrel in this scenario.

CEH = MEH

Lmao, Pacheco is much better than MEH.

You're a ****ing reerun dude. Him getting 1 carry against the Raiders is just proof that Andy will play a veteran over a more talented rookie. Anyone that watches MEH and Pacheco and comes to the conclusion that MEH is the better RB is pretty clueless.

No he wasn't. Anyone that actually believes this is just as dumb as jd1020.

You are confusing potential with results.

Pacheco without a doubt has more potential than any RB on the team. CEH doesnt have his speed and McKinnon doesnt have his size.

Here's the problem though, the violence everyone praises him for is getting in the way of that potential. There's a time and a place for violence and there's a time and a place for not pounding the ball right into your guards ass for a 1 yard gain.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esp...3fplatform=amp

https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2020...st-round-pick/

dipshit9, with the hot carl of a hot take.

Lmao, MEH is the king of running into his lineman's back. He does it all the time. Pacheco passes the eye test more than any RB on the team and anytime he's been given the chance to produce he has.

Ah the eye test. Not a biased test at all.

So McKinnon can shine but it’s not Clyde’s fault her sucked?

Thread fail is thread fail

I don't care what some feel good bullshit Andy told him. Mahomes was not the person that decided who was getting drafted.

Like the word.

'Meh'

Per Websters:

"Used to express indifference or mild disappointment; not impressive"

No better word has ever existed to describe Clyde. He's not great; not ghastly. He's unimpressive and mildly disappointing.

He is meh.

What did I say that was wrong? Did you even read the post?

https://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-cit...dwards-helaire

Why would they report that if it wasn't true?

The NFL is completely on the up and up and wouldn't let people believe something that isn't true just because it makes a great story...would they?

He read it. You're just an idiot.

McKinnon is average less ypc than CEH less TDs too

At the end of the day, whos better than who overall doesn't mean shit. All that matters is who is doing better that day. Just ride the hot hand.

But it seems like Reid and EB are trying to force CEH into being the hot hand so even in games he's not doing well in, they keep putting him out in high leverage situations.

he’s better than both Edwards Helaires and Pachecos

Y'all need to give Clyde a break. He's a league leader. Oh, I should tell what stat? Running into offensive line men's rears.

Zing!

I lost $50 on a bet he’d gain 55+, **** Clyde

Ok what's wrong with my post?

Don't worry, I'm not expecting an intelligent rebuttal, because youre not an intelligent person.

Average in every sense of the word. He doesn't even know how to use his blockers correctly. I remember one screen pass (which was a big gain) he ran right by the lineman instead of staying behind them and letting them take on the defenders for a bigger gain.

Priest Holmes was probably watching the gane like 'Man didn't they show this dude my tape?'

Hopefully that never happens again. Mahomes is a QB, not a scout. Veach should be asking the scouts their opinion, not Mahomes.

Lol! I'm very familiar with the word. Went right over my head as I was thinking it was a typo at first, but he kept using it. And I was reading it as individual letters M-E-H, like C-E-H, and never read it a a word!

Very appropriate renaming of CEH!