How the Chiefs are attacking the 2 deep defense.
 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New on <a href="https://twitter.com/TheNFLWire?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheNFLWire</a>: In anticipation of Sunday&#39;s <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a>-<a href="https://twitter.com/BuffaloBills?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BuffaloBills</a> game, I took a look at how Patrick Mahomes is attacking the two-deep coverages that befuddled him last season. <br><br>For multiple reasons, Mahomes has been demolishing all of it in 2022. <a href="https://t.co/GtSTJUzOfD">https://t.co/GtSTJUzOfD</a></p>&mdash; Doug Farrar ✍ (@NFL_DougFarrar) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_DougFarrar/status/1580913817214910466?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I wonder how much of the 2 deep struggles were due to Mahomes, and how much was due to the inability of the coaching staff to adapt to what defenses were doing?

Makw deep shell coverages illegal. Like the shift in baseball. Can only have one player deeper than 10 yards or its illegal formation or something.

I want to see bombs. I want to see them now.

Mahomes always goes for the jugular. If he's reading high to low, with shit pass protection, he misses the underneath plays.

The big one that had everyone's vagina bleeding last year was Kelce wide open for about 15 free yards, and Mahomes opted for the deep shot to a double covered Hardman who had about a half step separation, and it just didn't connect.

Now that he's reading underneath first, with far less reward to hold the ball and wait, he's hitting these plays that Andy has schemed up to beat this coverage with wide open guys.

I'd put a majority of it on Mahomes.

Like many were saying last season - 2-high shells are NOT novel concepts. These were around 20 years ago and it was winning games until opposing offenses learned out to pick it apart.

It just isn't a hard defense to beat up. We simply weren't doing it.

And I think a lot of that came down to Mahomes. Now to give him a bit of a break, a great deal of that came from confidence issues born of bad drops and a new OL so he was trying to press a bit.

But I think it was more on Mahomes than anyone wanted to acknowledge. It just doesn't make sense that we were struggling to beat a defense that has been so easily abused in the past.

I think a lot had to do with lack of confidence in anyone not named Kelce or Hill. Pringle was our next best option and might not be as good as our 4th or 5th option this year(watson and Moore?)

Can you imagine how much Tyreek would be worth in that situation?

Exactly.

Many of the problems we're seeing NOW are because Mahomes is passing up gimme's for shot plays. He's still going to do it and you don't want him to stop but at the same time, it's fun to watch him methodically carve up defenses with 10-play drives too.

In the end, all that matters is winning.

It was the way people got to Manning at times. Belicheck and company did it in the playoffs against him alot early.

Make them be methodical and efficient. Pat learned it the hard way.

one thing that is making a difference, juju is great at catching the ball short and using his strength to power through defenders for 4-5 extra yards

he's been used almost like a tight end this year....what we lost in reek's quickness underneath, we have gained in juju's sheer bull strength...and he doesn't drop the ****ing ball

Astute and accurate observation. I agree

i really think juju and mvs are like morton and kennison back in the day...we already have our gonzalez, now if we just had a priest we could lead the league in scoring...oh wait

JuJu is like Morton, eh?

You mean a guy we signed on name value only who was hugely disappointing and looked pretty much washed?

Yeah - that checks out.

I'm sorry, i asked for cream in my coffee, not piss.

Why not both?

That would be interesting and would add excitement to the games. However, defenses are at such a disadvantage that I hate to give an offense even more of an advantage. Maybe if you pass that rule, you can also pass a rule that defensive players are allowed to pull the quarterback to the ground.

Weird I was told on this very message board Mahomes wasn’t doing this. :hmmm:

If Mahomes has solved Cover 2 there isn't much left for him to conquer, he just needs to be consistent.

Can’t wait to see what they have dialed up for the Bills. I suspect we will be seeing quite a few new wrinkles.

According to Mahomes, they pulled out some new stuff against the Raiders, including some stuff they didn't even practice.

I'm guessing we're going to see all kinds of new wrinkles against the Bills.

Mahomes' play has been far from optimal QB play at times. He had some trouble adjusting to what defenses were throwing at us last year. Sometimes we lived on the freakish ability of Hill and Kelce more than anything. But the personnel we have now is probably better suited, from top to bottom, at using the whole field and sustaining drives. Reid has adjusted the offense to respond to the 2 deep looks, and by the end of this year I think we'll be saying that Mahomes has improved as a passer a lot.

All the things that make Mahomes great and help him overcome mistakes and create opportunities out of nothing also mean he doesn't play textbook football all the time. He's not going to be the clinical efficiency type like some other great QBs are. He's always going to be one of those who has feel for the game and instinct as a major part of his game. Seeing him develop as a passer makes him more dangerous, but we don't want him to change what essentially has made him great.

You know I kind of though the same but then I watched the Commanders vs Bears game and a couple Bronco games.

That's when our offense is the best, when Mahomes gets that dump first mentality on every drop back. Andy has always been great at calling games to his teams strength and throwing the long ball is not Mahomes long suit. Just continue dumping them to death. The only defense to the constant short passing game is consistent good tackling which doesn't exist in today's NFL and Andy knows that.

they play >70% zone usually. That worked for Cincy last year but it won’t this year.

These teams know each other well. Our talented. They will change up from expectations on both sides of the ball. But, eventually it’s Mano on Mano. Here’s our best against your best.

Didn’t notice this. They played with 6 DB’s on that 3rd and 15 and took Kelce out of the play. So it was essentially 3vs 6 with the Raiders advantage and Patrick still made it work.

That’s why they need speed on offense.

https://youtu.be/HUISM8pdj_E

Also I find an embed to paste from iPhone (if anyone can show me that, that would be swell)

This offense had a zillion turnovers and penalties last year. It made the offense appear more inept than it was. They were moving the ball, just not scoring points.