Bills defensive plan vs the Chiefs
 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen? Patrick Mahomes? Forget about them. Leslie Frazier had the pen last &amp; won the latest chapter of this rivalry. <br><br>With his “spy games”, he unleashed Von Miller &amp; disrupted the KC passing game with man coverage while still protecting his DBs. <a href="https://t.co/N9QIqKzFQ2">https://t.co/N9QIqKzFQ2</a></p>&mdash; Ted Nguyen (@FB_FilmAnalysis) <a href="https://twitter.com/FB_FilmAnalysis/status/1582329393149452289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not sure if anyone has the athletic or not but here's a cool article breaking down the Bills game plan.

Basically, they had Miller now and didn't last year and he allows this defensive gameplan to work

chiefs shot themselves in the foot and left 6 points on the field

**** leslie

If you have a stud pass rusher going up against our tackles, it is pretty easy to deploy any game plan you want. If Nick Bosa is back this week, expect a similar type game plan. If that's the case, this game will probably be closer than many here expect. Not sure how people still don't get by now that the game is won in the trenches.

yeah, also this.

It wasn't as much Miller by himself. The Bills d is just pretty damn good and smart.

Yep, if Patrick throws the ball away and Butker goes 3/3 instead of 1/2, it's a different game completely.

People act like the Chiefs got throttled by David and this is this chink in Goliath's armor or something.

**** Frazier.

Yep. And he posted the play on the final INT that I described in another thread yesterday. Pretty clever stuff by the Bills, made possible, as said, by having the personnel to make it happen.

What was his "plan" before halftime with 12 seconds left?

Yet KC easily puts up 30 without unforced errors

All just hyperbole bullshit. Chiefs beat themselves...sorry

Milano is a stud nuff said

GOT ****ING ROASTED BY KELCE AGAIN

Shooting yourself in the foot is part of the game. The interception in the end zone was a bad throw by Mahomes under pressure. The Bills put us into that situation and forced it to happen. You have to credit them for the pressure.

We made mistakes, but they're part of the game. The good news is that we can recover from that loss and be in a position to win it all. We get players back on defense that were unavailable for that game. We learned a lot about how they would/will go about trying to score on us and stop us from scoring.

They beat us worse last year and we made them pay in the playoffs. That loss wasn't a good thing to happen, but nowhere near as big of a loss as if it had happened in the playoffs. I'm not worried about it at all.

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Bullshit. I'd give them credit if the deserved it...they dont

bullshit...mahomes intentionally ran out of the pocket to create an ad-lib situation...he's scored on that play 100 times in his career

if skyy moore doesn't run into MVS (unforced error) it's 6 points, because sky moore's guy made the pick

that defense didn't stop the chiefs, the chiefs stopped the chiefs, just like the colts game

Exactly.

Our tackles are pretty close to mediocre when at full strength...and they're both playing hurt and at a subpar level.

Some other Bosa gave us a lot of trouble in a Super Bowl...

The next year we couldn't handle Tampa's D line.

I mean, the first Chargers game was close for a lot of reasons, but them not letting Mahomes get comfy is probably the biggest.

It's never been a secret that the key to stopping a great QB falls on the pass rush; even Joe Montana couldn't get it done when he was getting the stuffing beaten out of him while attempting to complete passes.

That's why Bill Walsh didn't like the shotgun - it meant that the defense could tee off on the QB. That's why Walsh always had those Roger Craig/Ricky Watters types that could catch AND run; they were the '3rd WR' in his offense out of the flat back formations. If they went I, they were split I formation, depending on the matchups they were trying to exploit...

But keeping Mahomes in the shotgun for 75% of the offensive snaps is part of the problem at this point. The line isn't a great pass blocking line, and defenses are teeing off against us because we don't run, and when we do, it's usually out of the shotun 7 yards deep after a delay, so they can just stop the RB on the way to the QB if the QB hands off on an RPO...

To beat the Chiefs, and their reworked Red Carpet Defense, you need two people with a pulse who can run around our shit tackles. Then on offense you can get an extra 5+ yards on every play because everyone outside of Bolton, Sneed, and Harris are the worst tacklers in the league.

They gotta get people to read their articles.

At least the Athletic is readable.

Somone should post the whole articles here instead of the link. I paid the $1 for the month and it logs you out after and wants you to sign back up the next time you try to log in.

And the Bills score 36.

You think so?

The Chiefs lost by 4, and left 6 points on the field.

My public school math tells me that would've put the Chiefs ahead by 2...

Von Miller is the main difference between us. If he’s on our team we win by 10+ and the Bills pass rusher dips significantly.

Even still we had so many chances to blow that game open and didn’t. After watching the game again on the condensed version it looked like the offense is still gelling.

The Bills put a lot of tape out there for Andy to work through for the next meeting.

They had a WR fall down in the endzone on fourth and goal and they had another fumble in the redzone.

So...yeah.

I know defensive schemes have given us trouble in the past but I refuse to acknowledge this one as having an impact.

Bills left points on the field too. This OL isn’t good enough to win a SB at this point. We have the number one scoring offense, but our D is making every opposing quarterback look like Mahomes.

we forced those errors with blitzes

Bills also played a LOT more man coverage than they have the rest of the season.

Truth.

Not on that first fumble.

That pass was incomplete because of pressure rushing the throw, not because the WR fell down.

Did you put in your reerun that today?

Oh you definitely put your reerun hat on today.

I think we also win if we switched Tackles and they still had Von Miller. OBJ was bad and Wylie was terrible.

Yeah, I don't really get the defensiveness. This is 3 years and 5 games in the making for the Bills with their main priority being to beat the Chiefs.... and while they still just barely made that happen, they've obviously thrown a lot of money and effort into making it happen, which seems like what the article is about to some extent.

Of course, that doesn't mean a quarter of what ESPN hot takes says about the game... Josh Allen isn't suddenly better than Mahomes, the Bills don't suddenly have the Chiefs' number and certainly aren't the CLEAR favorite to win when it matters...... but we can all be big boys and girls and tip our cap for what's it's worth. They won, and hope to meet them again when it really matters.

the bills called that play because of spags blitzes

This is pretty much spot on. Especially the first part.

We're in a "transition" year and the Bills are supposedly where we were in 2019, going all in for a Super Bowl. We weren't even supposed to be able to measure up to them and they barely beat us. They had to play a perfect game while we played a C+ game at best.

Screw them and screw the media for acting like they actually accomplished something. Oh boy, Frazier is a goddamn genius! "The key to beating Mahomes is dropping 8 into coverage while your 3 pass rushers take advantage of the fact that the Chiefs OT's suck royal shit! It's a genius strategy."

Eat a turd, Leslie. Mahomes will own your soul 9/10 times you play him. Congrats on your week 6 regular season triumph.

Imagine coming out of that game and thinking "the Chiefs can't win a SB".

Only a ****ing reerun can come to that conclusion.

It was actually the complete opposite. Even with the OT play and lack of a pass rush, if Pat plays like Pat and Andy doesn't get conservative with playcalling, we absolutely win that game.

The Chiefs proved they can go to to toe with the "best team in the NFL" despite having multiple key guys out.

I'm going to have to take a break from this place, because the reeruned takes are just exhausting at this point.

The defense needs a true pass-rushing threat at DE, and our other starters to be healthy (or not suspended).

Missing McDuffie and Gay hurt. Not having anyone to consistently apply pressure from the edge, like Buffalo has, hurt. All that said, the D actually did a great job against the Bills. The O lost that game, not the D. More than anything else, the terrible OT play leading to consistent pressure on Mahomes was the difference.

They also had White, Hyde and Rhodes out. Both teams are better with those players coming back.

Umm Hyde isn't coming back.

Xavier Rhodes is ****ing washed and was a street FA.

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The west is lesser and the east stronger than advertised. Besides Fraiser goes down, it's history

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If MVS more aggressively fights for that 50/50 pass in the end zone on the first drive it is likely simultaneous possession and a TD.

If Andy Reid stopped wasting early downs on MEHHHH minimal gain run plays the Chiefs would have avoided facing so many 3rd and long situations.

And of course if the Chiefs would have pivoted to the short/quick passing game to negate Buffalo’s pass rush, it would have minimized Von Miller’s opportunity to exploit Wylie.

The Chiefs were their own worst enemy on offense more than any supposed great Buffalo defensive gameplan.

I don't want to hear any crap about their gameplan. KC was a penalty and a missed kick away from 30 pts.

NOBODY STOPS THE KC CHIEFS BUT THE KC CHIEFS

The refs

Like 99 percent of losses with Mahomes it was due to poor execution on our end. We win every time with A games brought

The WR was never going to catch that ball in the EZ, it was way behind him and he only fell down because he was trying to stop on a dime. The RZ fumble drive would have more likely ended in 6, though.

We were talking about if we did score and they didn't.

I'm trying to keep my rose colored glasses on, damn it.

Can I be a TruLi'lChieffyFan for one day?

I want the Chiefs to be the best and in my heart I don't think the Bills are the clear cut superior team every one is purporting them to be.

Yes, our line isn't great...but our coaches are kind of asking them to be a round peg in a square hole.

Shorten up those drops/routes, take more snaps from under center (which would require more pre-snap reads, which would not be bad if they don't overload the QB), an actual commitment to running the ball would help (ha!)...and I know if I see it, then Reid will see it and consider it. He's too smart and his roots are WCO w/Holmgren, so that's a direct lineage to Walsh, so I really think that they'll right the ship and actually get better as the season progresses.

Too much talent for that to not be the inevitability.

The problem is we had these exact same discussions last year when the offense was struggling a bit. That's why teams play this way. It's why Belichick has done it for years. Most teams honestly just aren't good enough to avoid shooting themselves in the foot a few times a game. So you always feel like if you'd just made a couple extra plays you'd win, but you never do because it's just hard for any offense to pull off 12-15 play drives over and over. Guys drop passes or a RB misses the hole or the QB misses an open guy or there's a penalty and the drive gets stalled.

People keep talking like we got blown out.

We hurt ourselves a lot, not as bad as the Colts game but a lot of self inflicted wounds. They made LESS mistakes.

Bills are the supposed "best team in the league now" and the game wasn't sealed until there was less than a minute to go.

The Chiefs lost by FOUR ****ING POINTS and everyone is acting like they got shellacked, it's over and may as well give up and retool for next year, just hand the Lombardi to the Bills now?

ROFL
LMAO

**** that shit. We're basically one-fourth into the season.

Lotta football still left.

Where's the article about the Chiefs' defensive plan versus the Bills? They were missing multiple starters, yet allowed the Bills only 4 more points than the vaunted Buffalo defense allowed.

That's why there needs to be an emphasis on all the things I've been posting about.

It doesn't work that way.

A change in those plays causes a ripple effect that changes the entire game.

Butterfly effect? In a football game? :hmmm:

Great Scott!

Yeah, the consistent efficiency of '18-20 was pretty damn remarkable.... get to 3rd and short, convert 3rd down, and sometimes connect for 50 yards plus. And it's such a fine line, as you said... on any given drive, it's one holding call or one dropped pass or one dumb playcall up the gut on 2nd and 9 to make it 3rd and long.

And people last year acted like the offense hadn't been good at those long drives before, but they were actually really good... they just weren't having to do it each and every possession.

I don't think Andy wanted to put the short passing/screen game on tape for them. He's probably saving those in case we meet again.

Last year we had a losing record and got blown out in some winnable games. we still hosted the AFCCG. This year we look much better and everyone is doom and gloom.

FYP

i'll tell ya, it's almost good that we lost

this team always plays better as the underdog

They were underdogs Sunday and it was a pretty sloppy game. Nowhere close to an "A" game from Mahomes or the Chiefs in general.

You realize they were underdogs against the bills right?

Wasn’t this the same game plan the bengals used to shut us down in the second half of the AFCCG? Drop 8 into coverage and dare us to run.

These guys have no ****ing memory of what our defense looked like start of last season apparently.

The defense gave up 24 to the #2 offense in the NFL, playing a 4th round draft pick making his first start at CB.

Yes, of course.

You start changing individual plays that lead to points, it potentially changes everything.

These coaches have different playcalls based on different down and distances, the scoreboard, trends in the game, etc.

Ehhhh . . . no one in their right mind is going to start basing play calls on the butterfly effect. They better not, anyway.

I think the point is that you can't simply add missed opportunities after the game and say "if the Chiefs make two FGS, they win by 2", especially these days when things are driven so much by analytics.

If the score is different at any point in the game, the Bills may have done things differently such as going for it on a 4th down or whatever... and on top of that, it completely ignores the Bills' missed opportunities.

Both teams definitely left a lot of points on the field, but I don't think Buffalo would have gone for it more often on 4th down if KC had an extra 6 points for instance. The Bills already failed multiple times on 4th down to begin with.

Couldn't have said it better myself

At 26-17, it would come down to the play calling on the drive where the Bills punted and then not taking 4.5 minutes off the clock on their touchdown drive.... they score in a minute instead of taking their time and there's still 3:30 left at 26-24, and now the Chiefs are in a different spot.

Or on the Chiefs' 3 and out, up 9, it could be as simple as saying maybe they don't throw out of the shotgun in that situation and end up with 6 yards on the ground, changing that drive.

sure, but if The Chiefs make two less mistakes (pick two out of like half a dozen) they win the game.

They didn't, so they didn't, but to act like Buffalo did some magical defensive voodoo is silly.

If Wylie had chosen to block ANYONE during this game, the Chiefs win. The Bills D is good and Miller was a great addition, but the lack of competent tackle play is where we lost.

Boy there sure are a lot of blueprints to beating the Chiefs.

This is the… 8th? 9th? Kansas City must not win many of their games

I didn't read the article, but on the surface it doesn't seem like that's what they are saying.... it's not magic, it's what many teams have been trying to achieve for a few years now, which is pressuring Mahomes without blitzing and giving him different looks to make it hard on him.

A team beats the Chiefs and there are going to be people breaking down the film... it's no big deal. The Chiefs can clean up some stuff while also tipping their cap to the Bills.

THIS.

absolutely.

But KC lost because of poor execution, and nothing else.

The Bills get credit for making more plays, and fewer mistakes. Plain and simple.

The Bills did as well though, fumbling on their own 12 yard line and I think they failed another time in the rednzone which isn't like them. Both teams messed up a few times when they usually don't.