Okay, so what *is* your plan for the 2023 passrush?
 

Alright, it's bleeding into multiple threads, so let's forge a master thread to control all others, and into this thread we will pour our cruelty, our malice, and our will to dominate all life. Truly a thread to rule them all.

You guys shat on me when I wanted to pour two 1sts into Brian Burns. You guys shat on me when I wanted to pour two 1sts into Josh Allen. And just for fun a couple of you guys were jerks when I wanted to go sign Bradley Chubb this coming offseason.

Just a bunch of meanies.

So what is your plan, exactly? This team needs a front four that can get pressure, Karlaftis isn't developing with the speed we'd like, and Jones is the only guy who can get to the QB.

What's your plan?

Here's the free agent passrushers this coming offseason. And the Chiefs do have 11 draft picks, but only one 1st, one 2nd, and one 3rd.

Are you going to burn a 1st? You're probably going to need that 1st (plus additional ammo) to get the offensive tackle you're simultaneously complaining we need to replace Brown at LT. If you take the 1st for DL, you're tagging and/or extending Brown, and you should say so.

I assume you're cutting Frank Clark, so the Chiefs will have about $50m to play with, but this is your 2023 depth chart right now:

DE: Danna, Herring
DT: Jones,
DT:
DE: Karlaftis, Kaindoh

That's it, suckers. You're probably going to need to add two DEs, and three DTs, minimum.

Current Chiefs who will be RFA: Wharton

Current Chiefs who will be FA: Saunders, Nnadi, Dunlap, Stallworth, Shelton, Azur Kamara

So what's your plan? kccrow's? His top three DEs are Karlaftis, Mike Danna, and Dawuane Smoot. I'm underwhelmed and ashamed.

Whatever your plan is, be prepared for me to hate it. I just hate it already.

I personally would just throw numbers at it in the draft. Like we kind of did with the DB's last draft.

Like htismaqe said...throw numbers at it.

FA wise? I'd bring back Saunders and Wharton. Go sign Ngakoue. Then spend 3 picks on the defensive line in the first 4 rounds.

Passrusher is a more premium position and it's harder to find really good starters late in the draft, or even with midrounders, than with secondary players.

Spags has demonstrated he can convert almost any secondary player into an excellent schematic player.

We have not demonstrated that at DL for years.

Edit: DE Josh Allen would have been an outstanding addition, given his history for Joe Cullen. But that seems virtually impossible now.

I'm not trading multiple 1sts for anybody that's not a QB. Period.

I'd draft a speed rusher, 1-tool guy at 32 and take my chances from there.

If you're signing Saunders, assuming he sticks around, you're extending him for multiple years and it may be pricey. We really don't know his pricetag right now, because he's only now become the starter and he could ascend as the year drags on -- TBD on that.

Ngakoue? I'm whelmed.

If you're not spending the first rounder on DL, that means you're spending a 2nd, a 3rd, and both 4ths. Is that your plan?

Yes, you made that abundantly clear. And now we're entering the next season with Danna and Karlaftis as our starters at DE. Three cheers for rigid dogma.

So you're extending Orlando Brown? Franchising him and just hoping the rookie you draft next year immediately succeeds? Because otherwise you're going to need that 1st.

Of course, we wouldn't have to take any chances at 32 if we had just invested it in Allen. But I'm not here to re-litigate the failures of the past. I'm just here for the hate.

Pricey? In what world is Saunders going to be pricey?

The future world.

He's almost certainly the starter at DT going forward next to Chris Jones. He played a faulty but very promising game against the meanest run team in the NFL. He's an ascending athletic freak.

If he ascends the rest of the year, someone's going to see a young 1-tech with some passrush juice.

He probably won't break the bank in that reality but he'll bring in more than kccrow's $1.1m, which is frankly laughable.

Dude, you're talking in circles.

If LT HAS to be addressed, you won't have a 1st round pick, whether you take a DE there or traded it away. Either way, you don't have the ammo to go get a LT.

Sign Saunders. Shouldn’t cost much tbh. Danna and Karlaftis have gotten good pressure on QB’s. I think Danna will be playing real hard in his contract year.

I’d look for a guy like Melvin Ingram or Carlos Dunlap to rotate in without overspending. Maybe bring Dunlap back as he’s been an excellent rotational rusher. I’d also sign Arden Key (who we looked at last year) since Wharton will be coming off an ACL.

Then I’d try to draft a speed rusher in the first 2 rds and a DT that has good pass rush potential. In the 3rd or 4th.

I think we’re loading up

I've been the clearest, actually. My call in late October was to back the Brinks truck up for Chubb, and then draft a tackle in the first round.

At the trade deadline, I would've traded for Allen/Chubb/Burns and extended Brown. The Chiefs love him.

Right now? My plans didn't come true, yours all did on that front. So I don't know what the passrush plan is in 2023 if the Chiefs are planning to move on from Brown. Just hope a superb talent gets cut, I guess.

Y'all are just pinning hopes and dreams to your dogma.

Dude, trading for any of those 3 would have required the first round pick you want to spend on a LT. You cannot do BOTH.

Danna can play as hard as he wants but he can't magically become a great passrusher. Karlaftis I really like but I don't think we can pin our hopes on him being DE1 at this point. They're good players but they're not what you build a Super Bowl caliber DE position out of. Dunlap, Ingram, Key, these are all good-not-greats.

Are you extending Orlando Brown? If not, why are you possibly spending a 1st at DE?

All three DTs you have on your roster, none of them are premier run stuffers. What's the plan there? (Edit: I just saw you extended Saunders.)

This is all hopes and prayers.

Why are you spending a 1st on a LT when your own scenario means you DO NOT NOT HAVE A FIRST ROUND PICK?

Nope, you're confused. You realize I have links to all of this, right? And I've provided it in the OP? This isn't disputable.

In late October, my plan was to draft a tackle in the 1st and sign a premier DE like Chubb in FA.

Before the trade deadline, my plan was to extend Brown and trade the 1st (plus more) for a premier DE.

Now, I don't know what my plan is. It probably involves extending Brown and drafting DL in the 1st. But I don't like that plan remotely, compared to the other two above.

So your plan was to acquire Chubb in free agency? Outbidding 31 other teams?

Never ever going to happen. You should focus on realistic scenarios.

Yes, I would have paid retail for Chubb.

Because we have a really good cap situation and you need very good passrushers to win Super Bowls.

Your plan was to spend a boatload of draft picks and you still haven't clarified what you'd do with Orlando Brown if you burned that 1st on DL.

There are no top flight pass rushers in FA next year. But there are always guys like Melvin Ingram, Justin Houston, Carlos Dunlap and Jerry Hughes that are older and cheaper but still very effective. Those are great rotational guys.

Btw Danna has been a very nice rotational rusher. Karlaftis is gonna be a starter next year.

I am not extending Brown, but I think Veach is. He’s hanging out with Patrick outside of football and Veach loves him. It’s happening.

Run stuffers are not hard to find. They can be had in FA or day 3 of the draft. Danny Shelton for example is on the PS.

And if I’m Veach I’m looking at the best places to find a DE and RT: the first 2 rds of the draft

Sign obj

Evaluate the de spot like you did the LT spot last offseason. If you don’t like what’s potentially there when you’re gonna be picking, re engage some of these teams about trading for their guy.

Draft another one in the 3rd to develop

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000585495237

Middlekauf was a scout for Andy and knows Veach pretty well. Him and cowherd talk about the draft in this it’s a good listen

Seems pretty straightforward:

Trade Nnadi and Danna for Aaron Donald and Bobby Wagner. Trade Kaindoh for Micah Parsons.

Problem solved!

lol.

To be fair, Dewuane Smoot is a better football player than Frank Clark can hope to be right now so that's an improvement no matter what. I did also mention elsewhere that if money permits you also add another one of similar caliber like Rasheem Greene or Charles Omenihu.

I also added a 4th round pass rusher in Keion White who you may just want to watch and I may have to move up in the future, to probably the 2nd round but at least the 3rd.

I also added at DT with Pickens in the 3rd to pair with keeping Saunders and Wharton.

I mean, that's 3 guys in one offseason which is likely what you can expect.

There isn't a big-named pass rusher available in free agency so you're already sucking wind there.

Now... IF KC re-signs OBJr, then I'm probably all in on going up for Notre Dame's Isaiah Foskey.

You know how I feel about OBJr though and it isn't positive in any way, shape, or form. I'd rather have protection for Mahomes and wait a year on the pass rush, which can still be similarly effective with my plan, than to trudge on with absolute garbage at tackle.

say it with me....

Yosh Nijman.

I'd bring back Saunders and Wharton. That's one at each DT spot, nose and 3.

I'm keeping Jones. Yeah, I know, 'spensive. But he's a rare talent, and **** it, I like him. So I need another run stuffing big boy, but those are the least expensive guys.

Clark walks.

I'm picking up Yosh Nijman for anything other than a first round tender so I can let Brown walk, and I save myself $10-15m per. Think a 3rd would do it?

I take a flier on Clelin Ferrell because I just cannot fathom how he fell so far so fast. It makes no sense. Veach special reclamation project.

I'll take Yannick Ngakoue at his current $13m per. He's your pass rush specialist.

George, Ngakoue, Ferrell, Danna, and an Ingram/Dunlap special vet with a little left in the tank looks better than '22.

Then, since I fixed my LT position, I'm looking DE in the draft.

I get the value we're putting on DE, it's the obvious need and it's a pass-happy league etc etc. But I honestly think we just need "better" not "elite". I'd love a Burns or Allen but at this point I'd take a genuine run stuffing DT and a middling situational pass-rusher.

Combine that with Spags' blitz packages, a solid LB core and, hopefully, an ascending and improved secondary and I honestly think that's plenty.

Unless the cupboard is totally bare at OT, and/or a complete stud DE falls to us, I'd be hard pressed not to invest the first pick on a tackle. R2 I'd be looking for whoever is left at DE who is a pure speed, situational rusher. Can they set an edge? Don't care. I just want juice.

R3 I'm probably going WR as there's a decent chance I'd be letting MVS go. Could absolutely bite me on the arse but I want to keep investing at the position in the draft. R4 I'm going back to DL and looking for basically whatever is left. Assuming there's not much at DE I'd probably prioritise a grotesquely obese run stuffer.

In FA and in line with my "better not elite" approach, which is just as well because there aint much elite next year. I'd be looking at Arden Key if the money wasn't too high, Omenihu as kccrow suggests (I think the SF DL makes him look a little better than he is), honestly probably even the ancient Ingram, or Ximines who seems like he might be having a break-out year for the Giants (kinda relying on PFF on this one so...maybe not).

If all else fails I'd just look at further strengthening at DT with someone like Ioannides, Chris Wormley or Rankins

As long as Clark is gone and Veach doesn't sink resources into guys like Jarran Reed I think there's a lot of opportunity to improve this DL.

If anyone wants to have a load of fun drafting completely unrealistic prospects I'd recommend the PFN draft simulator. Let me have Skoronski R1 and Jared Verse R2 - yes please!

You guys have to take the Packers lesson, draft the best weapon for Mahomes you can get in the first round (the Packers really never went all in on Rodgers, look at the 2020 draft who they could have taken/or traded up for Jefferson instead of Love for example).

Throw all in on the incredible QB you have. If there's someone the FO loves as a Mahomes target, trade up to get him, sell the farm. You are in a unique position. Defence you can fill out other ways. If there's someone the FO thinks is super elite, throw all of it to get them.

As a contender you are unique free agent destination, you can fill out the roster in other ways. Gotta get that Tyreek fill in tho to really go at it in January this season and in future years. Mahomes is a unique talent, throw all the dice on him.

Edit: apolgies for putting this in a pass-rush thread.

This has pretty much been my attitude. I really do not care about building out the D as much as I do keeping the offence elite. But I'm looking at it from a slightly different angle. Last year I was banging the drum for a double dip at WR, that was before the putrid OT play we've seen this year. That's why I'd prioritise OT now.

Either way it's about giving Mahomes time and options. Right now he's battling with bad OT play and middling WR play and still winning. If a stud WR fell to us in R1, cool, I wouldn't hate pulling the trigger on it. But they better be involved quickly and be an early separator if we have these OTs. My lean towards OT is because it's hopefully giving Mahomes and average WRs more time but also it's stopping Mahomes getting killed.

I'd still probably swing for DE/DT with at least one early pick because it's such a glaring weakness and making us better there should make the whole defence better.

I don't disagree.

Can you imagine how good the offense would be if we could run the ball! The offensive tackles are bad, and dragging a solid interior down.

I'd probably make RT my FA priority this offseason. Conklin would be a nice addition, me thinks.

I still think they'll be aggressive for a DE. I don't know who or where it will come from, but they'll wanna add one with some juice.

He's played well but he's also not faced the best competition. If you look at the win rate charts, he's winning at about the same rate as Brown but has faced decidedly inferior pass rushers.

In order to take advantage of weapons, we need better play at BOTH tackle positions.

Smith struggling hurts Wylie alot. I think once Smith gets healthy the right side is atleast passable this year, but you gotta upgrade the RT spot this offseason long term.

The big plus for me on Nijman is that he's not going to demand a record setting contract for 'decent' LT play.

OBJ's demands pretty much sour me on him entirely. He's just okay, and that doesn't cut it with me considering.

Nijman saves you probably $10m per. That's significant coin.

Wylie struggling hurts Smith alot I think once Wylie accepts his new position as janitor the right side is at least passable this year, but you gotta upgrade the RT spot with an NFL level player this offseason long term.


Fixed your post.

:thumb:

But is he good enough? If he's no better than Brown, saving that $10M per isn't all that significant.

Our choice in 2023 basically comes down to this:

We'll have to overpay for a LT OR we'll have to overpay for a DE.

The other we'll likely have to give up draft assets to go up and get in round one.

I mean, it's really kind of that simple.

I think he's a dramatically better fit for this offense. I'll take that and $10m to like...bring back Juju.

They have a 26 year old LT already in house, whether we like it or not, I am guessing they just end up signing him to a deal.

Then you go searching for your DE.

The FA market for LT is garbage. Orlando Brown is clearly the best. The free agent market for DE is bad too.

I know a lot of people hate Brown Jr but he’s a decent LT and it is HARD to find that in this league, especially picking late in the first rd.

I think we will pay Brown Jr but I’m hopeful that the contract structure is fair.

For DE just get a strong rotation. The value of guys like Jerry Hughes, Carlos Dunlap and Justin Houston is unmatched. It’s a hell of a bargain.

Use the draft to get a RT and pass rusher. That’s by far the best place to improve

Yeah, I think when it comes down to it, they're just gonna go with Brown. I don't necessarily like the idea but I think it's going to happen.

I'm an "either way" on it. Pay him or not, I could go either way.

I think it ends up just being a situation where actually finding an alternative is just so hard I dunno that they go into that.

The FA market as we see it now. Some of these shit teams are gonna blow out front offices and coaching staffs so there could be some guys cut that would help us alot.

Just need to be able to keep flexibility.

One way you might go a bit outside the box here.

I wonder what the plan in Tampa is? If it's gonna be a reboot, you might be able to pry Tristen Wirfs out of there and put him at RT. It would cost your 1 for sure and I don't think I'd wanna do that for a RT so I might see if he could transition to LT. IF so, which I don't see why he couldn't, that's a situation where you could get a really young ascending player.

Yeah, at this point I'm not too concerned either way. It's not like we have any control over it.

The Commanders are gonna have Sweat and Young coming up on FA the same time, I don't think they can or will pay both. There's you a DE if you wanna make a trade and pay.

I dont' think I would but it's there.

I still wouldn't sleep on the Packers putting a 1st round tender on him.

Now that doesn't mean they wouldn't turn around and trade him anyway, but a 2nd round tender is about $4 million and takes the ball out of their hands (because someone might be willing to give that up). He was undrafted so an original round tender means dick.

So if they tender him at $4 million (and I believe they absolutely would), why not just up the ante to the $5.5 million 1st round tender so you can completely control how it progresses.

And if nobody bites on the 1st round tender, they can go hunting for the best possible 2nd round pick available and trade his rights to that team for a better 2 than we'd give up.

I don't think this is going to be as simple as you do - the Packers aren't going to be passengers in the process, IMO.

Plus Bakhtiari looks like a shell so they probably ain't gonna be quick to move off from him.

With Jenkings being a FA as well....I don't see it.

I wanted him but have looked at him closer and he’s a big disappointment. He’s got Young, Payne and Allen work him and he can’t produce more?

Carlos Dunlap is on pace for more sacks this year.

I mean damn. Just sign one of these vet pass rushers for cheap instead of trading for him and paying big money

Right. At $5.5 million for a year, they may just leverage that into a 3-4 year deal and prepare for life after Bakhtiari. It's easily the smart play.

I agree with you - I don't see it as a likely option.

I'd say that would probably be the way they end up going, basically, a repeat of last season.

Draft pick and a vet.

I'd rather have a vet that could give you a bit more than a year, but it is what it is. Just throw numbers at it and keep drafting.

I've kicked the idea around a little bit, but to me... targeting a DT is perhaps the most cost-efficient way to upgrade the Chiefs front 4/pass rush.

I've talked about Da'Ron Payne before, but I think that's a guy that could come in, play next to Jones, and ascend even more. He has been good this year. he's stout against the run, and he's starting to make plays as a pass rusher. His abilities are a good complement to Jones', IMO.

If the Chiefs did something like that, I think they could add more of a one-trick pony at DE, whether a draft pick or a cheaper free agent, and get a lot of production out of that person. And just basically go with bodies/numbers at DE, kind of like the Ravens have done this year.

The thing that needs to be different from last year is that we need to target a situational rusher like Jerry Hughes, not a big plugger like Dunlap.

Given the fact that Hughes declined to be moved at the deadline and the reports were that he chose to be closer to home and that's why he signed with Houston, I wonder if we DIDN'T reach out to him.

Frankly, it's not the direction I'd have preferred anyway. Find a young vet. I really liked the idea of an RFA offer to Dorance Armstrong, for instance. We've mentioned guys like Key and Green ad nauseum. Barnett was a guy I really liked the idea of.

Give me a toolsy 26 yr old who's underperformed a little and is looking for a pillow contract for a bounce-back. Clelin Ferrell was a previous suggestion - good call. Arden Key is likely to be a FA again. Lorenzo Carter is going to be cheap, IMO and he has great tools. I really like that idea. Rasheem Green is likely to be a FA again. Could Malik Reed be a guy who's used as a situational rusher in a strict LEO sort of role? LJ Collier is a TEXTBOOK Veachlclamation Project. Ben Banogu was really interesting coming into the draft but really hasn't done shit; he wouldn't cost a thing and is worth a look, IMO.

Zach Allen has played awfully well so he's probably priced himself into 'real' player money, but if he falls through the first wave, I'd absolutely be interested in giving him Derek Barnett's deal and I think he'd be worth it and then some.

And I'm sure there are a half dozen or more that I've missed. But go find a 25-26 yr old kid coming off his rookie deal who hasn't quite gained a footing with his present team but has some stand-out attributes to put to use as a dedicated rush specialist. And as Duncan suggested, do the same at DT; someone like Dre'Mont Jones would be interesting (but he's probably gonna get a real nice deal).

I mean, I could probably talk myself into splashing nice money on someone like Jones or Payne or even Fletcher Cox/Hargrave and pairing them with a second-round pass rush specialist type. If Nolan Smith's injury pushes him down at all, that would be an ideal pairing, potentially.

Payne/Jones/Smith/Karlaftis would be a pretty fantastic long-term group up front. And even if you transitioned to a 34 because Spagnuolo has moved on, that group would slide right into that alignment pretty easily...

But it's not all about Smith. BJ Ojulari, Andre Carter II, KJ Henry... there are lots of names in the second round projections the Chiefs could be in line to add who would work nicely as the speed guy. Stock is all over the place on them so it's hard to say who would be a realistic round 2 target.

Carter makes me drool, though. He's kind of a unicorn physically (6-7, 260, but can play LB and do "normal sized" LB things).

Exactly.

A 3-down SDE who can muck up the works and create rush lanes for his teammates is the hard part. On his present development arc, we have that guy in Karlaftis.

Getting a dedicated edge rusher in the 2nd or 3rd round wouldn't be that difficult. It's just a question of whether or not a guy like that would be physically developed enough to contribute early.

That's where the younger veteran comes in. Someone that can show out a bit and then even act as a rotational guy if the rookie is ready. And w/ Karlaftis functional strength, you could even kick him inside on 3rd downs and pair the rookie w/ the young vet on the edges.

It's eminently doable and doesn't require that you trade 3 first round picks for Josh Allen or Brian Burns.

Pipe dream is to find a way to trade for and extend Jeffrey Simmons. Simmons and Jones together in the middle? Good luck NFL.

Of all the DLineman I could see the Chiefs making a very serious play for, Payne is #1 on the list if he's available. He's a hell of a lot like Jarran Reed and he's only 26.
That said, I fully expect Washington to franchise him this year as he's the only guy on their FA list worth doing it for.

Possible for sure. I think they are at the point where they need to pick who they’re committing to, and I think Payne is third in line.

Tag and trades may be in play. Maybe even a tag and trade swap…

All of this I reckon. There's not much elite coming up at DE in FA but lots of young and OK and I can't imagine all will break the bank. I reckon you could pick one up without breaking the bank and a good DT and still draft for both positions. Lots of ways to make this DL better

Yeah, I'm not advocating specifically for Hughes. I'm just saying we need somebody in that mold. Not another big SDE.

Hughes is fine as next year's Ingram/Dunlap older vet with a little bit left in the tank guy.

I like those kind of pick-ups, they help teach the young'uns by example of how to be a pro, and can give you some decent rotational snaps.

That just can't be ALL that we do to address the situation.

I don't dislike Hughes or someone similar, obviously.

But here's the thing - I would add 2 and maybe 3 rookies to this DL. If you add 3 rookies AND an older Ingram/Hughes sort of vet, you don't really have much room left for the Lorenzo Carter kind of guy I'd like to add to the mix.

And I think I'm settling on Carter as my irrational, under the radar, 'I want' guy. He's an exceptional athlete and really long. He's added some size as he's matured and I think there's room for a little more.

I think you can get a quick twitch, 6'5'', 265 lb player who you can get on a really reasonable 2-3 year deal for his age 28-29 seasons. He's shown some sporadic pass-rush juice in the past though he's played almost exclusively in a 2-point stance.

Get a little bit more good weight on him and teach him to play with his hand in the dirt. Then rotate him in as a 3rd down pass rusher to fly off a wide edge and wreck shit. Still wish we'd have found a way to get him in that Fenton deal but it is what it is.

If we could afford it I'd say a veteran like Hughes + a younger guy along the DL + a couple of draft picks. There's a lot of guys who'll be going out the door and a few that deserve to. Nnadi, Kaindoh, Clark, Dunlap, Herring maybe, and the practice squad DTs.

What if it's two rookies, Carter, and Hughes?

De/dt?

I can live with that. But you're working without a net. I was thinking draft 3 and 2 hit.

well, I'm assuming we'd extend Jones, bring back Saunders and Wharton.

Dunno if Wharton's ready to play game one, or if he's the same. So yeah, I get your meaning.

But big body run stuffers are inexpensive, so that shouldn't be too hard to fill that Nnadi slot.

I heard on Time's Ours that Karlaftis had the most pressures of any rookie this year. Is that correct? Can't see it anywhere else.

2nd from what I can tell.

Travon Walker has the most. Karlaftis, Hutchinson and Ebiketie are tied at 2. 5th is Thibodeaux but he's waaaaay in back of those first 4.

He's first in hurries, but not in total pressures. Walker has 1 fewer hurry but 3 more sacks and 1 more hit.

The issue w/ Karlaftis isn't raw numbers as much as win rate. Among guys with 75 or more pass rush snaps, he's 8th in win rate behind Paschal, Clemons, Thomas, Bonitto, Thibodeaux, Ebiketie and Hutchinson. He's right there with Jackson, Walker and Enagbare.

But it could be worse - he could be Boye Mafe - man, that guys been shite.

This is on reddit. Karlaftis is tied with Hutchinson for most pressures but is 4th in pressure rate. This was a copy/paste from PFF

Also the tweet last week showed Karlaftis was 2nd best behind Hutchinson in pass rush reps without stunts or blitzes.

This is it. This is where he needs to be better. People keep reading the numbers how they want and talking about how he's nearly there. Sure, he is, but good QBs don't care about "nearly" being pressured or DEs "nearly" beating the OT, the ball's gone by that point.

It's also why in the draft they really need to focus on speed this year imo. If I remember people weren't hugely high on guys like Ebikitie and Bonitto and I get it, because you can't see them out there every snap. But man we need some speed and bend, I don't care what Spags "type" is or isn't, just get some juice. I think you can in R2.

You argue not to look at numbers like pressure singularly and yet use it as a singular basis for an argument against Karlaftis here? Very unlike you.

The numbers may point to the same (not sure I haven't checked), but I'm curious if they do.

I've been wholly content with Karlaftis to this point - to whatever extent I didn't give that impression, that was not my intent.

Though it also seems like I got my numbers wrong, so there's that to contend with.

Karlaftis is a solid player who's only going to get better.

Agree. I've said all along - any 'issue' that people have with Karlaftis isn't really with Karlaftis. It's with his supporting cast. The Chiefs need a complementary pass rusher and 'finisher' to go with him.

I think he looks a LOT better this year with any upgrade on the cadaver we have on the other side.

2 of his 3 best games this year have come in the 2 games Clark has been out.

Some of that (most of that?) is just development. But it's amazing how little this team misses that slug.

I'm also very content with Karlaftis. I feel like he's developing well and has been affecting the QB pretty regularly. I think the Chiefs got a good one. Imagine a couple of off-seasons in the S&C program. I think he'll be fine.

Agh. I’m still pissed that we didn’t get Sam Williams. I mean holy **** man.

6’4”
260
4.46 40
7.03 3 cone
25 bench reps

He was so perfect. He was (Nate Taylor humor here) the white horse walking on a sandy beach. He had to wait for playing time but now he already has 3 sacks. He was killing Aaron Rodgers on Sunday.

I’m a Skyy Moore fan but Sam Williams was my favorite player in the whole damn draft. He was my favorite fit for us and he was there in the mid 2nd rd.

Again….agh. The Cowboys have Micah Parsons and Sam Williams for the next 4 years. That’s gonna be the best in the league.

I’m not sad or bitter or anything.