Is CEH on his way out of KC?
 

I was watching the All 22 and it suddenly dawned on me - CEH barely saw the field.

So I started digging through his snap counts and discovered that his snaps dropped by almost THIRTY since Tampa.

In the last two games he's only had 17 snaps in each game. In fact, when you factor in the total number of plays on offense, his numbers have dropped from an average of about 43% of total snaps to 27% against San Fran and 17% against the Titans.

They weren't kidding when they said they were going to make Pacheco the starter but from what I can see, CEH is now the THIRD RB.

Are the Chiefs signaling something here?

On his way out as in....no 5th year option? Absolutely.

But cut or traded? Seriously doubt that.

Will he ever see starting duties again? He might. Pacheco has to show something or they'll move on from his ass too. Might even turn back to CEH.

Possibly. I'd like to see CEH inactive, taking Rojo's spot for a game to see if there is any improvement.

Has the run game improved since his time has been cut? If it has, great. It hasn't looked it though. Maybe the problem isn't solely with CEH then.

This!!!!!

Signaling they see the same as we fans do on the tape: he is the third best option at RB. McKinnon is #1, as his pass protection and receiving skills are top notch (relatively speaking); Pacheco is #2 for his explosiveness; CEH #3 as he is meh in comparison for aforementioned attributes.

Sorry, I meant after the season. As in no 5th-year option, just let him walk.

This please.

I think the biggest problem, by far, with the offense is the offensive line.

I'm more talking specifically about how the backs are being used, regardless of their effectiveness.

CEH's usage has fallen off a cliff.

McKinnon had by far the most snaps. Which is the correct call.

Yep. Agree.

Yeah, CEH ain't gonna be here next year. That much is obvious.

McKinnon is the only good back, Pachecho is whatever at this point.

Are you ready, boots?

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Ceh was our best RB against Tennessee..haha. cuz he had that big catch

To me...he's kind of redundant. Pacheco is a harder runner and McKinnon is better out of the backfield.

Mecole Hardman treatment. Basically benched

McKinnon was far and away the best RB in the Titans game. We threw the ball 68 times and his pass protection was near perfect.

Man, you've gotta just hate watching Mecole have such a good year this year.

Maybe they are searching for something that works. I'm not going to look at it from a snap count perspective. I am going to look at it at a usage perspective. And looking at the numbers lately it looks like to me they are being for the most part splitting the play calls that go to each one. For instance last game Pacheco with 5 touches, CEH with 6 touches, Jet with 9 touches. Game before that where Pacheco had his 1st start. Pacheco 8 touches, CEH with 6 touches, Jet with 4 touches.

This is essentially RBBC without calling it that. My personal opinion is that Andy doesn't look at or uses RB's in the same traditional manner that every one thinks. It is all about the touch count. Not YPC or snap count. Personnel groupings and play calling have a lot to do with as well.

I agree with you the problem is due in part to the OL though. OBJ made the wrong bet.

I think it's "rbbc" is code for "none of these guys are good".

Most teams are going to splitting touches between multiple backs. Most of the successful teams in the AFC do.

None of them are good at running the ball.

5th year guarantee is almost 10million. They can't pay that for his production.

We are in a passing league.

We went so heavy on the pass that McKinnon was the obvious option.

I really wonder what the coaching staff saw that had them quit on the run that early and that completely. Not that I minded it, but even Andy doesn't usually just say "**** it - Pat, go sling it 70 times..."

They had to have seen something that convinced them to just close shop on the run game in the 1st quarter.

I'd like to see what RoJo can do. :shrug:

I blame Mahomes. Should have told Veach he wanted Jonathan Taylor or D'Andre Swift.

Or even Taylor Swift.

Part of it could have been that the Titans defensive line was killing any chance we had.

Typical OP with his clickbait thread titles!!!!!

Yeah, put in Ronald jones

i like what mckinnon has done here

Kick the tires on Boobie Miles?

Both can't seem to get on the field for much time any more. We would be trotting out Neveran Mcfumblesalot in their absence.

Hope so. He stinks

he doesn't do anything mckinnon doesn't do better

I don't want a back with field vision as bad as CEH

He's just so bad, I'm shocked at how we ended up in this spot. How did they miss so badly on what he was coming out of LSU?

He makes the most money. He won't be going anywhere yet and he will play.

Sure he does. Not being 30 years old

Pachecos vision is even worse..hes just more physically talented

LSU was one of the most absurdly loaded teams in NCAA history.

MEH was playing Madden on Rookie level, appears to be the long and short of it.

That's my thought, don't steal it.

The money could actually have him forced out next season, but about 60% of his salary next season is guaranteed.

Wouldn't stop them from trading him away for a 7th rounder or something, but ultimately that's what it would take to spin clear of the million plus or so we owe them on the remainder of his deal.

CEH doing good work replacing 20yr old beds.

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Alright, well explain Kinnard being a complete pile of shit because man, that one still confounds me.

Not that he struggled a bit and proved not ready to start; that happens to 3rd day rookies all the time, even those that were projected to go a high as the 2nd round.

But man, I do NOT understand how he was so bad that he probably should've been cut outright. Roderick Johnson was so obviously terrible that they probably should've cut him after the first pre-season game and he was still quite a bit better than Kinnard.

I just cannot for the life of me figure that one out.

RoJo needs to get a opportunity

he doesn't pass pro, and he's a marginal receiver on the most pass-happy team in the NFL.

Square peg, round hole.

McKinnon is our best back and Pacheco is a distant second imo.

It’s probably time to give Rojo a shot

If CEH weren't a first round draft pick he wouldn't be with the team now. He probably would have been gone after year two and for sure after last year. There are lots of RBs with his production out there to be had.

I think whether he is a fifth year option depends on the fifth year option formula and how much of an increase in annual pay it would be. RBs are not well paid and the number may not be that much under the formula.

I thought it was likely no fifth year option, but if he continues to build on his best year, there is some chance. Seems like Chiefs players and coaches like him and say he can play.

If 5th year option number is too high, I would guess he gets tendered on some level and could be a re-sign depending on offers from other teams.

For players selected between 11th and 32nd in the draft, the same calculation is used to compute their salaries. The difference lies in what is averaged; rather than the top ten, the 3rd-25th highest Prior Year Salaries for the player’s position will be used.

I like Clyde. He's just not an RB1. Wish he was, for the team and for himself. But he just doesn't have enough vision to make up for his lack of burst. I hope he finds a place in the NFL, but I don't he's going to be a Chiefs that much longer unless he's willing to take a backseat to Pacheco in the future (or someone else).

Last year was year two.

Looks like he is 3.4 million on cap for 2023 and 2.5 dead cap if cut. And would be 5.4 million for 2024 if fifth year option.

I would guess plays for KC in 2023, tendered after 2023 but not 5th year option before May 2023 deadline.

Then cut him

ROFL

Exactly. They'll use him the rest of the year and then he's gone.

Uh, no. :shake:

Yeah, Pacheco is a violent runner but he lacks vision, just like CEH.

Damn she was a Fox back in the day!

I remember before the game kicked off telling my wife i wish KC casinos had bookies because I was so sure LSU was going to prison rape OU I wanted to lay like 5k on it.

She rolled her eyes, and then LSU won by 35.

That's why I never get too high on players from loaded teams like that unless it's obvious they're a man amongst boys.

I just can't get past wondering what they saw on tape to overlook his measurables and pick him 1st rd. I can't say it enough smh

The issue though is I just watched backs that run like him destroy Buffalo, really need to get him in sync with the offense because they are so bad against the run if you hand it 25 times to RoJo he might have 150.

Would not be close to that unless he is a first ballot Pro Bowl player this year.

He is not going to play 75 percent of snaps.

https://overthecap.com/fifth-year-option-projections

I think some of it may be Andy knowing he can get by without him depending on the packages for the game and the opponent. It's a longer season and dude ain't exactly healthy all o unless yuf the time. He's got the most experience of all the backs in the offense and even though he pretty much sux, Andy values that experience come playoff time unless you are washed up lesean mccoy.

Thanks for the info.

How many times have a worse backfield than us...that's a solid question.

Right, but even just watching his highlights, he doesn't have the quickness in the hole, the sharpness on the cuts, or the stride turnover he did in the highlights. Barring some encoding shit that would speed up his LSU highlights, he just doesn't appear to be the same athlete.

Nevermind the player.

Pacheco's a solid back. Did it look like he had gaping holes the other night?

He isn't even as good as he was his first year, either the injury against the Saints or something else happened because he looks like an old RB that lost his talent.

Please say this louder for those in the back!!!

I don't know what to think about the OL anymore. Their run block win rate is supposedly near the top of the league, and they were opening huge holes all night in Tampa, but in most games the holes seem non-existent. I know that CEH misses a gaping hole now and then, but that isn't happening on every play.

Pacheco ran right into a ****ing tackler on a screen...

the RB vision is an issue, against the Titans the line was not good though.

Yup.

I think the Titans are going to make a lot of OLs and RBs look bad.

OBJ's run blocking has looked pretty good. The issue, lately, has been interior OL.

Then again, the Titans were deploying a 5-man line with a 6th run blitzing on many downs. That hurt the ability to run for sure.

I don't have any data on the plays we ran, but the RPO has resulted in few good runs and so penalties when we pass. I wonder if that needs to be limited.

yup.

I’m not a CEH hater, but he doesn’t offer that much on his own. Pacheco, while not yet anything special, runs a little better. McKinnon is maybe a better receiver. CEH is fine but is basically a platoon guy.

Had 450 carries for a Tom Brady statue led team soo must not be end of the world

You sound like the people that want Kinnard to play (for whatever reason); you simply want Pat to get killed.

Jones is a known quantity at this point, a mistake-prone back who Tampa let go for nothing.