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dlphg9 11-17-2022 04:41 PM

Wide Receiver snap counts from Sunday against the Jags
 
As you all know, KC was down a starting WR Sunday and then was without there number 1 WR halfway through the 2nd quarter. Two players benefited most from these shitty circumstances and neither of them were named Skyy Moore.

Skyy Moore had his 2nd lowest percentage of offensive snaps since week 4. In week 7, right before the bye, Moore played in 22% of offensive snaps and this past Sunday against the Jags Moore played in 25% (16) of the offensive snaps.

The two players that benefited the most were Kadarious Toney and Justin Watson.

Toney played in 44% of the offensive snaps, which is a huge increase from the 9% he got his first week with the team.

Watson played in 73% of the snaps against the Jags. That tied him for 2nd with Kelce amongst skill position players. MVS was the only skill position player with more (84%). Watson had never gotten more than 26% of the offensive snaps.

So what will Sunday night against the Chargers look like? We will be without both Hardman and JJSS, so does that make Toney, MVS, and Watson our 3 starting WRs? We pretty much know that MVS is going to get >75% of the snaps on O. Is Watson going to get more snaps than he did last week? I think it's pretty much a guarantee, barring injury, that Toney is over 60% of snaps. Will we see Moore get over 30% of offensive snaps?

Even though Watson played almost 3/4 of the game he only got 1 target. I think maybe he gets a bit exposed with the additional snaps and I'm hoping Moore is able to get some of those snaps from him.

I'm very excited to see what they do with Toney this week. He was in 28 snaps last week and was either targeted or ran it on 25% of those snaps. I think he breaks our this week and has at least 125 yds receiving, 25 rush yds and at least 1 TD.

ToxSocks 11-17-2022 04:43 PM

All of the ones will play and the best ones will get the highest % of snaps.

Dunerdr 11-17-2022 05:36 PM

Clearly saving skyy for this game.

dlphg9 11-17-2022 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16610478)
All of the ones will play and the best ones will get the highest % of snaps.

I agree with this so much that it's unbelievable.

raybec 4 11-17-2022 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 16610530)
Clearly saving skyy for this game.

Diabolical

Jewish Rabbi 11-17-2022 09:26 PM

Moore is going to ball out so hard this week that he’s going to add another Y to his name

dlphg9 11-18-2022 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 16610876)
Moore is going to ball out so hard this week that he’s going to add another Y to his name

Sk - Triple Y - Moore

Sassy Squatch 11-18-2022 01:09 PM

Jesus Christ Sky actually LOST snaps comparatively even though at one point the top 3 WRs were out. That's incredibly concerning.

AdolfOliverBush 11-18-2022 01:11 PM

So JJSS is officially out for Sunday night, or is it still up in the air?

htismaqe 11-18-2022 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 16611885)
So JJSS is officially out for Sunday night, or is it still up in the air?

He hasn't practiced all week. He'd have to be cleared by Saturday morning I believe. He's not playing on Sunday. :(

ToxSocks 11-18-2022 01:18 PM

We're gonna see what kind of juice Skyy and Toney really have in a full time role. That's exciting.

dlphg9 11-18-2022 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16611883)
Jesus Christ Sky actually LOST snaps comparatively even though at one point the top 3 WRs were out. That's incredibly concerning.

Justin Watson should never play 3/4 of the game. Skyy Moore needs to be out there when our starters are out.

dlphg9 11-18-2022 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16611895)
We're gonna see what kind of juice Skyy and Toney really have in a full time role. That's exciting.

Andy said the snap count share will be the same as last week. Skyy's gonna be sitting out so that Justin Watson can get his snaps. Toney is gonna ball out though.

ToxSocks 11-18-2022 01:22 PM

Would anyone be terribly surprised if Kemp comes out and eats the snaps we expected Moore to get?

That'd be frustrating but not out of the realm of possibility.

dlphg9 11-18-2022 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 16611885)
So JJSS is officially out for Sunday night, or is it still up in the air?

He's been ruled out.

dlphg9 11-18-2022 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16611908)
Would anyone be terribly surprised if Kemp comes out and eats the snaps we expected Moore to get?

That'd be frustrating but not out of the realm of possibility.

There is absolutely no chance that Kemp gets Moore's snaps. The most offensive snaps that Kemp has gotten is 14 and has only had double digit snap counts on offense 5 times in 46 games. I'm not concerned whatsoever.

Kemp is absolutely worst case scenario.

ThyKingdomCome15 11-18-2022 01:33 PM

Skyy is an odd player. He can cut but doesn't have elite burst, kind of like CEH. He's young so it's hard to tell. George Pickens was obviously the more talented of the two but Skyy is a lot more mature, not a selfish player. I'll always think that's why we picked him.

Wisconsin_Chief 11-18-2022 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16611908)
Would anyone be terribly surprised if Kemp comes out and eats the snaps we expected Moore to get?

That'd be frustrating but not out of the realm of possibility.

This is very possible.

dlphg9 11-18-2022 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 16611961)
This is very possible.

No it's not even remotely possible. It damn sure isn't "very possible". That's just stupid.

DJ's left nut 11-18-2022 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16611889)
He hasn't practiced all week. He'd have to be cleared by Saturday morning I believe. He's not playing on Sunday. :(

Reid is very much a 'don't practice on Friday, don't play on Sunday' guy.

If you're not involved in the installs, he's probably not going to play you even if he could.

DJ's left nut 11-18-2022 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 16611943)
Skyy is an odd player. He can cut but doesn't have elite burst, kind of like CEH. He's young so it's hard to tell. George Pickens was obviously the more talented of the two but Skyy is a lot more mature, not a selfish player. I'll always think that's why we picked him.

Meanwhile we turned around and traded for a guy with documented maturity issues at the NFL level?

I sure hope that's not why we went the direction we did. I'll continue to hope the coaching staff saw some level of talent that I didn't see and that hasn't been demonstrated...yet.

Bet on the talent - give talented guys a chance to demonstrate who they are in your organization. There's little sense in writing many of these guys off when you can't speak directly to what led to previous issues. To hear Giants sources tell it, Toney's issues dwarf anything that came out of UGA with Pickens. Yet he's been a model teammate since he got to KC.

Let guys prove it.

htismaqe 11-18-2022 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16612002)
Reid is very much a 'don't practice on Friday, don't play on Sunday' guy.

If you're not involved in the installs, he's probably not going to play you even if he could.

Yeah, they officially ruled him out about an hour ago. Hopefully MVS can go.

ptlyon 11-18-2022 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16612045)
Yeah, they officially ruled him out about an hour ago. Hopefully MVS can go.

Oh JFC

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htismaqe 11-18-2022 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 16612052)

Huh?

DJ's left nut 11-18-2022 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16612045)
Yeah, they officially ruled him out about an hour ago. Hopefully MVS can go.

Not at all surprising.

I could see him breaking his rule for Mahomes and maybe Kelce. But by and large, that one's been pretty much written in stone.

I can't recall a single instance where he played a guy who wasn't able to practice by the end of the week. I recall Chris Jones in the playoff game against Houston being someone that everyone just assumed would play despite missing practices - it was about as clear an example as you'll find.

If Reid's not going to play a superstar defender who's extremely familiar with this system in a playoff game, there ain't many guys he'd be willing to play at any time given these circumstances.

Wallcrawler 11-18-2022 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16612045)
Yeah, they officially ruled him out about an hour ago. Hopefully MVS can go.

Looking like a healthy dose of 3TE sets coming up.

We've had some pretty great stuff come out of those, so maybe not all bad.

DJ's left nut 11-18-2022 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16612054)
Huh?

Maybe it's because the article says that MVS will play?

I dunno...

htismaqe 11-18-2022 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 16612058)
Looking like a healthy dose of 3TE sets coming up.

We've had some pretty great stuff come out of those, so maybe not all bad.

Yeah, they're going to have to use the TE's and RB's.

Any combination of WR's that includes Watson and Moore is...lacking.

htismaqe 11-18-2022 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16612065)
Maybe it's because the article says that MVS will play?

I dunno...

They're assuming he'll play because he practiced. But he wasn't a full participant at any time this week. I don't think you can just assume he's going to play.

EDIT: I went a re-read the article and it says MVS will "be available". Nebulous to say the least.

DJ's left nut 11-18-2022 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16612065)
Maybe it's because the article says that MVS will play?

I dunno...

Really not a bad idea.

The Chargers can be had on the ground and 13 personnel is gonna make it difficult for them to contain a really aggressive runner like Pacheco.

May be a Patches breakout game more than a Moore game.

Honestly, I'm still intrigued by these 13 looks w/ Bell back in the lineup. They could really move some bodies around with that group.

dlphg9 11-18-2022 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 16612058)
Looking like a healthy dose of 3TE sets coming up.

We've had some pretty great stuff come out of those, so maybe not all bad.

Our 3 TE set this year is really good, because we actually have 3 TEs that are pretty talented. Obviously Travis Kelce is the best TE ever, but finally we have a TE2 in Noah Gray that has legit talent and would probably be a starter on half the teams in the league. Our TE3 Jody Fortson isn't making mistakes or negatively impacting the team in his opportunities, which is all you can really ask out of a 3rd string TE.

dlphg9 11-18-2022 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16612074)
Really not a bad idea.

The Chargers can be had on the ground and 13 personnel is gonna make it difficult for them to contain a really aggressive runner like Pacheco.

May be a Patches breakout game more than a Moore game.

Honestly, I'm still intrigued by these 13 looks w/ Bell back in the lineup. They could really move some bodies around with that group.

Andy said that the snap breakdown will be similar to last week with the WR. If that's true, then there is like <5% chance Moore is "breaking out". If MVS is out or limited, then things are different and the team is pretty much forced to play Moore and that might be enough for him to break out.

JohnnyHammersticks 11-18-2022 02:49 PM

MVS WBF

OKchiefs 11-18-2022 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16612116)
Andy said that the snap breakdown will be similar to last week with the WR. If that's true, then there is like <5% chance Moore is "breaking out". If MVS is out or limited, then things are different and the team is pretty much forced to play Moore and that might be enough for him to break out.

If two of your top 3 WRs are out injured, another is banged up, and another WR probably still doesn’t have 100% of the playbook down and Moore STILL can’t have a breakout performance then that says all you need to know about Moore.

Having said that, I think we should all know by now to not take Reid at his word with everything said to the media.

oldman 11-18-2022 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16612068)
They're assuming he'll play because he practiced. But he wasn't a full participant at any time this week. I don't think you can just assume he's going to play.

EDIT: I went a re-read the article and it says MVS will "be available". Nebulous to say the least.

The official Chiefs site says MVS was a FP on Friday, so I'd guess he's good to go. Use Fortson more as a big-bodied guy. Remember, he came into the league as a WR, but didn't have a lot of speed, hence the move to TE. Can he get open in an 8 yard out route? Yes. Can he catch the ball on that route? Yes. Then throw it to him. Simple solution.

As to Kemp getting any snaps, let alone Moore's ---he's still on the PS.


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