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Stewie 11-18-2022 08:18 PM

A mathematical conundrum...
 
First of all let me say that Bearcat reinstated my thread starting privileges. I promise to behave.

This is an ongoing debate about series of numbers.

Solution 1:

X = 1+2+3+4+5+.....

Solve for X.

X = infinity

Solution 2:

X = 1+2+3+4+5+....

Solve for X.

X = -1/12.

WHAT?

Crazy isn't it?

Solution 2 is accepted by mathematicians and physicists by a large majority.

Just a bit of a brain puzzler for all you geeks.

Stewie the confused. :)

scho63 11-18-2022 08:24 PM

The solution to this conundrum: Bearcat gave you back your thread starting privileges 2 soon.

Ban should = Infinity

That solution is accepted by a majority of Chiefs fans and CP posters.

Halfcan 11-18-2022 08:24 PM

When I clicked on this thread- I did not know there would be a test. Bummer. I fail.

Stewie 11-18-2022 08:27 PM

Just trying to expand CPers beyond the drivel.

Sorry to offend.

DenverChief 11-18-2022 08:43 PM

The answer is always 42

Spott 11-18-2022 08:45 PM

69

Hammock Parties 11-18-2022 08:46 PM

IP ban this prick

FlaChief58 11-18-2022 08:57 PM

X=Antifreeze

kccrow 11-18-2022 08:59 PM

**** you and your string theory.

But below is the solution:
Spoiler!

New World Order 11-18-2022 08:59 PM

About tree fiddy

Stewie 11-18-2022 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16612567)
**** you and your string theory.

But below is the solution:
Spoiler!

At least this is a starting point for discussion.

Thanks for that.

This is an interesting debate.

Does adding integers ever resolve as fractions? They assume it's true.

rydogg58 11-18-2022 09:51 PM

If I remember correctly, you retired rather recently this year, didn't you? When my dad retired he seemed restless until he got full time into bee keeping. I'm about 10 years away from being able to retire, so I wonder what I'm going to do to fill my days as well.

Lzen 11-18-2022 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16612547)
The answer is always 420

FYP

Stewie 11-18-2022 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rydogg58 (Post 16612610)
If I remember correctly, you retired rather recently this year, didn't you? When my dad retired he seemed restless until he got full time into bee keeping. I'm about 10 years away from being able to retire, so I wonder what I'm going to do to fill my days as well.

You have a good memory. In fact, I got my first SS check on Wednesday.

Still doing engineering work part time.

Trying to inspire young people.

Things like 3X+1 conundrum.

Keeps my mind limber.

The vitriol from an interesting question amazes me.

rydogg58 11-18-2022 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 16612625)
You have a good memory. In fact, I got my first SS check on Wednesday.

Still doing engineering work part time.

Trying to inspire young people.

Things like 3X+1 conundrum.

Keeps my mind limber.

The vitriol from an interesting question amazes me.

No vitriol from me. I just read your post and remembered you talking about retiring. I don't know the answers to your numbers, but I had a long drive home from Minneapolis today and I had time to think about the things I want to do when I finally retire.

DenverChief 11-18-2022 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 16612623)
FYP

LMAO. I'm disappointed no one has gotten the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy reference....

Stewie 11-18-2022 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rydogg58 (Post 16612637)
No vitriol from me. I just read your post and remembered you talking about retiring. I don't know the answers to your numbers, but I had a long drive home from Minneapolis today and I had time to think about the things I want to do when I finally retire.

I didn't me vitriol from you.

The responses were quite odd for something innocuous.

Pitt Gorilla 11-18-2022 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16612639)
LMAO. I'm disappointed no one has gotten the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy reference....

I think people got it.

Jewish Rabbi 11-18-2022 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 16612625)
You have a good memory. In fact, I got my first SS check on Wednesday.

Still doing engineering work part time.

Trying to inspire young people.

Things like 3X+1 conundrum.

Keeps my mind limber.

The vitriol from an interesting question amazes me.

The SS is sending out checks? I thought they got disbanded after WWII

Stewie 11-18-2022 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 16612649)
The SS is sending out checks? I thought they got disbanded after WWII

Your arm should be incredibly painful from that stretch.

kccrow 11-19-2022 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 16612578)
At least this is a starting point for discussion.

Thanks for that.

This is an interesting debate.

Does adding integers ever resolve as fractions? They assume it's true.

I got my undergrad in mathematics and I haven't used a lick of it in 20 years. It's shit like this that drove me mad.... like spending a day proving 0.99999999 is 1. I don't remember what class... it was either combinatorics (which is kind of fascinating), permutations, or geometry. I'm good with never touching that shit again in life, honestly. I probably couldn't do basic calculus at this point and I'm totally fine haha. I had a history of math class we actually had to read a book called Fermat's Enigma and do a huge report on the theorem... the one mathematicians spend decades trying to solve... fun stuff.

Jewish Rabbi 11-19-2022 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 16612655)
Your arm should be incredibly painful from that stretch.

It’s not

IA_Chiefs_fan 11-19-2022 09:55 AM

The answer is 15.

SuperBowl4 11-19-2022 09:59 AM

Is this the worst thread ever?

Brody Wa 11-19-2022 11:07 AM

420

Kman34 11-19-2022 11:23 AM

Math is hard…

cdcox 11-19-2022 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16612567)
**** you and your string theory.

But below is the solution:
Spoiler!

Yeah, that video is wrong. Here's why if anyone is interested.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YuIIjLr6vUA&feature=share

YayMike 11-19-2022 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16612720)
I got my undergrad in mathematics and I haven't used a lick of it in 20 years. It's shit like this that drove me mad.... like spending a day proving 0.99999999 is 1. I don't remember what class... it was either combinatorics (which is kind of fascinating), permutations, or geometry. I'm good with never touching that shit again in life, honestly. I probably couldn't do basic calculus at this point and I'm totally fine haha. I had a history of math class we actually had to read a book called Fermat's Enigma and do a huge report on the theorem... the one mathematicians spend decades trying to solve... fun stuff.

Same here. Was a math major with pure concentration that did all the proofs and complex theories. Loved it then. Can’t add 2 number now.

Jewish Rabbi 11-19-2022 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperBowl4 (Post 16612842)
Is this this worst thread ever?

It’s gotta be close

kccrow 11-19-2022 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 16612943)
Yeah, that video is wrong. Here's why if anyone is interested.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YuIIjLr6vUA&feature=share


To summarize this video:
Pure calculation using Zeta functions that the first clearly said they were not going to get into but would try to relay in simplistic terms by doing some manipulation and bypassing all rules. And that's the only way there is any solution to -1/12 is by using zeta functions.

kccrow 11-19-2022 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YayMike (Post 16612944)
Same here. Was a math major with pure concentration that did all the proofs and complex theories. Loved it then. Can’t add 2 number now.

Yeah, I just can't anymore. I have zero interest in ever relearning it either. I still deal with numbers all day but I went and got a master's in accounting and just don't use any of it.

YayMike 11-19-2022 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16613068)
Yeah, I just can't anymore. I have zero interest in ever relearning it either. I still deal with numbers all day but I went and got a master's in accounting and just don't use any of it.

I went into IT / programming and installing software. No math at all. But… the math logic brain training clearly propelled me into a successful career position .

crayzkirk 11-19-2022 05:29 PM

It logically makes no sense; the part where they 'add' two sequences together and the use the result as some sort of result to base everything else on reminds me of the old trick where they show the weight of a mouse equals the weight of an elephant. There's a multiply by zero in there which invalidates it all.

I took Calculus and a lot of other advanced math and I don't recall ever seeing anything that said adding a group of positive numbers, all > 1 could ever be less than the sum of any two of those numbers much less a value less than zero.

kccrow 11-19-2022 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crayzkirk (Post 16613413)
It logically makes no sense; the part where they 'add' two sequences together and the use the result as some sort of result to base everything else on reminds me of the old trick where they show the weight of a mouse equals the weight of an elephant. There's a multiply by zero in there which invalidates it all.

I took Calculus and a lot of other advanced math and I don't recall ever seeing anything that said adding a group of positive numbers, all > 1 could ever be less than the sum of any two of those numbers much less a value less than zero.

They are embarking on highly complex mathematics and theories related to divergent vs convergent series. I'm not at all up-to-date on all this shit any more but if you have the determination and knowledge then dive into the Reimann zeta function and you'll get your answer.

tyecopeland 11-19-2022 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16612720)
I got my undergrad in mathematics and I haven't used a lick of it in 20 years. It's shit like this that drove me mad.... like spending a day proving 0.99999999 is 1. I don't remember what class... it was either combinatorics (which is kind of fascinating), permutations, or geometry. I'm good with never touching that shit again in life, honestly. I probably couldn't do basic calculus at this point and I'm totally fine haha. I had a history of math class we actually had to read a book called Fermat's Enigma and do a huge report on the theorem... the one mathematicians spend decades trying to solve... fun stuff.

Guy on YouTube has a few proofs of 1=2

crayzkirk 11-19-2022 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyecopeland (Post 16613448)
Guy on YouTube has a few proofs of 1=2

There's a magic step where they multiply by zero in there somewhere...

cdcox 11-19-2022 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crayzkirk (Post 16613413)
It logically makes no sense; the part where they 'add' two sequences together and the use the result as some sort of result to base everything else on reminds me of the old trick where they show the weight of a mouse equals the weight of an elephant. There's a multiply by zero in there which invalidates it all.

I took Calculus and a lot of other advanced math and I don't recall ever seeing anything that said adding a group of positive numbers, all > 1 could ever be less than the sum of any two of those numbers much less a value less than zero.

It doesn't. It is equal to positive infinity.

The video I posted covers all of the zeta function stuff, but it still doesn't make that series converge to -1/12.

crayzkirk 11-19-2022 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 16613490)
It doesn't. It is equal to positive infinity.

The video I posted covers all of the zeta function stuff, but it still doesn't make that series converge to -1/12.

Yeah, I watched the first part of it and he confirmed what I thought when the first group tried to say the first sum converged to 1/2. I knew that was bogus because it simply oscillates between 0 and 1. It's undefined. Like the second series has no solution either. apples + oranges <> pineapples.


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