We're 1-5 against the Bills and Bengals the last 2 seasons
 

13 seconds away from being 0-6.

These losses aren't just flukes. We aren't marching up well with the 2 best teams in the AFC and as of now everybody knows it. And as horrific as the defense is those games, our offense almost never played up to their standard when we play these two teams. In our 5 losses to them we're averaging 23.6 points again. Mahomes also plays well below his standards against them too.

These two teams definitely have our number and until we beat them in the playoffs, we'll be underdogs every time we play them.

OP guaranteed a Lombardi

Ok

How many of those games involved Wylie or Sorensen?

We're 2-1 against these teams in the playoffs in the prior 2 seasons.

What are you talking about?

This season and last season.

And even including those games, that's 3-6 against them. So I don't know how much better that makes you feel.

Team is mediocre outside of Mahomes and Kelce.

Simple. They field good defenses while we continue to run out a below average one. None of this will change until Spags is fired.

You just said "Until we beat these teams in the playoffs" referring to the Bills and the Bengals... and we're 2-0 against the Bills.

What are you talking about?

What is Vic Fangio doing these days?

Nobody is making the Chiefs an underdog in the playoffs against either team unless they are on the road.

The next time we have an opportunity to beat them is in the playoffs. So yeah we have to beat them in the playoffs. What kind of semantics are you playing?

Rookies most likely get a second shot

A more benign kind of nonsense than you're spouting?

We're 2-0 against the Bills in the playoffs. But you think that somehow we're the underdogs in that matchup and the world views it as an uphill climb for us?

You think we play the Bills and we're the ones cowering as underdogs?

Are you an idiot?

(Yes, you are.)

All 3 of these teams are really good. It's that simple. Nothing changed today in that calculus.

Ok since you're sensitive, I'll change it, until the next time we beat them (which our next opportunity will come in the playoffs but you're being sensitive about wording so I'll change it), we're going to be underdogs against them.

Happy?

lol what

Our next chance to beat them will come in the playoffs. That's when we can beat them.

Some of it's on Reid & Veach too. The Frank Clark deal kind of sums up how clueless they have been with finding pass rushers in recent years.

It's nice that when you step back and take a breath you makes points that may actually follow a shred of logic.

I'm just very sensitive to utter stupidity.

Oh. Noted.

Funny thing is, the Chiefs play well on the road. They just have a problem with the Bungholes...I honestly don't know why. I hope we don't face these ****ers again. The ball just doesn't bounce our way when we do.

We're 1-5 against the Bills and Bengals the last 2 seasons
 

They are both far superior at making us do things we don’t want to do than we do to them which is why we play sloppy and always look disjointed. Whereas both of them force turnovers we can hardly even buy a sack much less force turnovers on them. They both play us much better than we play them and it’s not really close.

Outside of Mahomes being beyond superhuman last season in the playoffs against the Bills we have been inferior as a team each of the other games.

Dude, keep blowing smoke up our asses over a team that’s beaten their 2 top rivals once in the last 6 games. We’re not who we thought we were.

We're one of the best 5 teams in football and have a QB to always keep us in any game.

Did you learn something different today?

Or did you have some unrealistic expectations before that a team that barely beat the Raiders and lost to the Colts could not POSSIBLY be beaten by the Bengals on the road?

Seriously, which is it?

Actually beating these teams would be a help to obtaining the 1 seed. But unfortunately we’re once again hoping other teams can beat the teams we can’t. Alex Smith level football!

OBJ as the consolation prize for being cucked by Trent Williams wasn't a highlight, either.

Our win is a fluke but our losses aren’t lmao

We blew big leads in the first 2 Bengals game. We lost those games as much as they won them

I didn't call it a fluke. The title is 1-5. But without 13 seconds, it's 0-6. That's literally just a factual statement.

Yes, beating teams in the playoffs is all that matters, so it makes me feel pretty damn good.

The games will be toss-ups... 3-2 against the Bills and unfortunately 0-3 against the Bengals.

The 'expected' would be 4-4 +/- a game, and it's 3-5 currently... unless I'm missing one?

Exactly. All the lil Chiefys here want to think we’re the better team, when we’re actually 1-5 against them in the last 6. 13 seconds was a miracle, and still we lost to Burrow. This team has been buying into its own hype for 2 seasons. And what has that gotten us? Zero rings!

You know what the Bills and Bengals have that we don’t? QBs on rookie contracts.

Got a ring in 19. How many rings do the Bengals and Bills have?

LOOK IF YOU FORGET THAT WE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE SUPERBOWL AND YOU FORGET THAT WIN AND TAKE AWAY THE WINNING DRIVE....IF YOU TAKE THAT ALL AWAY FOR SOME REASON THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE IT LOOKS PRETTY BAD FOR US!

And how many rings do these allegedly superior teams have?

Are you just trolling at this point? Christ, go do some drugs or something.

Balance is restored next year.

They better hope they win this year.

We weren’t 13 seconds from being 0-6. If we lost to Buffalo we don’t then lose to Cinci.


We would be either 0-4 or 1-5.

Interesting stats...something to consider.

Even when Mahomes was on a rookie deal, he was carrying a bad defense (ahem...2018 being Exhibit A). Josh Allen had had a Top 5 defense for years and continues to have one this year even while costing a lot more than Patrick ever did in his rookie contract.

Why don't you just root for the Titans?

Or maybe we can resurrect Levy and bring back the Wing-T for you!!

;)

we need to lose to tyreek in the playoffs now to complete the trifecta

Without blowing a 21-3 lead at home with Mahomes, we go to the SB again.

That is a factual statement

So you ARE capable of seeing it, if it's not you saying it. :thumb: - baby steps

No, that's a hypothetical

Might as well say 'without losing any games, we're undefeated.'

No, that's not a hypothetical.

When we're talking about a single game, and if winning said game is all that needs to happen to make it to the Super Bowl, it's a pretty tautological statement.

The Bengals defense did the unthinkable. In the fourth quarter Kelce was heating up and they took the ball from him. Defense tanked after that. They were spent.

if statements are hypotheticals, not statements of fact.

Facts actually happen.

they literally ripped victory out of our arms

better to have our hearts broken now though....there will be no earnest byner moments for this squad in the postseason

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Difference is, there wasn't a bogus penalty called after our turnover.

Plus, it should have been stopped for forward progress.

We're 1-5 against the Bills and Bengals the last 2 seasons
 

I think we needed this one for morale and breathing room, but it truly doesn't matter until the postseason.

All but one was a close game that could have gone either way.

Today we had Kelce cough up a key fumble and Butker missed a kick in the 4th quarter. Either of those two plays go the other way and there's a really good chance we're in here celebrating a win talking about how badly we're going to smash the Broncos next week.

Ok, we're 1-5 against the Bills and benhals. If not for choking in the 2nd half, we're 2-4 against them.

Does that record and me putting it that way make you feel better?

So? I think we are a better team as underdogs.

Maybe we got caught up trying to be the next patriots. Take a deep breath and realize that we’ve already made more super bowls than Brees and rodgers did their entire career. And we all know the next one is inevitable.

We are an outstanding team but guess what, other teams got pretty good too. Josh Allen and joe burrow are a problem even against good defenses. We should know that feeling. That feeling where a great qb has their way with our defense is what many defenses felt after feeling the wrath of mahomes.

But here’s the rub. We’ve transitioned to our long term plan. Bengals and bills have not. And they will desperately claw at this until they do. Either they win a Super Bowl soon and claw back to reality. Or they keep loading up until the dam inevitably collapses.

I’m at peace with it. We still have a terrific shot at winning this even though the road will be very tough. Our present and future is extremely bright. The bills and bengals have massive hills yet to climb. It’s just not going to be as easy as we thought it would be.

What do you expect their record to be at any given time against the other two top teams in the league?

3-5 in the past few seasons and 2-1 when it matters.

I'd personally expect 4-4 and either 2-1/1-2, but think I'll take the extra playoff game over regular season. :shrug:

Did we not knock the Bill's out twice? Does Allen have a ring? Does Burrow? Nope.

That's the weirdest part about this argument... it's not like we're Manning Colts and looking up at 3 Patriots rings in the early 2000s and wondering WTF we can't beat those guys.

We're basically whining about how we aren't the regular seasons champs against these two teams, considering we're 2-1 in the playoffs against them and neither has any hardware and only 1 SB appearance between them.

I will too. Hopefully we can beat them in the playoffs because we will face at least one of them if not both of them.

But I'm not going to hand wave that in the past 2 years they've had our number more times than not. That's not a trend I want to see continue.

Of course it is. After 2019, everyone thought we'd have our own dynasty. The Super Bowl loss to Tampa probably ruined that, especially with an emerging Allen and Burrow to deal with.

But yes, Chiefs fans need to temper expectations. There's other great teams in the AFC. Nobody is going to have a dynasty. Not enough pie to go around for everyone. We're one of the favorites, and that's good.