14 missed tackles yesterday
 

Per PFF

Missed tackles are a player problem. You’re taught how to tackle from day 1 in youth football.

Blame the DL but this was just as big of a problem as no pressure

Fire the tackling coach!

The tackling was as big of an issue as anything.

What's the old quote? "You are either coaching it or allowing it to happen." A team that cannot tackle is soft. A team that gets bullied in the trenches on both sides of the ball is soft. Coaches are not pressing the correct buttons to make these guys play like a tougher team.

Does that even include the *made* tackles where the Bengal player would drag the defender an extra 5 yards before going down? Because there were plenty of those, too.

Reid’s teams have always been finesse, it’s why they get punched in the mouth often.

I feel like they’ve been pretty good at tackling this year but yesterday was probably their worst game of the year. Even Bolton who is normally a great tackler, missed some tackles

it's pretty bad

chiefs are 22nd in missed tackles

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...vanced_defense

Guys, several of those were Bolton vs. Perine. And we know Bolton is probably the best tackler on the team. 95% of the time if he gets his hand on someone, they're going down. But Perine is a beast to tackle. He's 5'11" 237 lbs. Just about ten pounds lighter than Henry, in a denser package.

In fact, many of their skill players are just big, hard-to-tackle guys. Not saying 14 missed tackles is acceptable, but let's not make it out like the guys on the other side weren't any good. That's like saying every defender that plays vs. Kelce is trash just because they can't cover him 1v1. Or every defender that tries to tackle Mahomes when he scrambles. CIN has some players that are tough tackles just like KC has players that are tough tackles; we were always going to miss a few.

Denver has the 3rd MOST missed tackles? Buffalo 2nd most?

Yikes.

My biggest take aways yesterday were tackling and tackles. Both were sub par.

kind of an interesting stat

the chargers don't miss many tackles but their defense is way worse than ours

For real every time they ran the ball they drug our defenders 3-5 yard downfield and THEN fall forward for another two.

A lot of those missed tackled were at the line and behind the line of scrimmage. We were getting penetration just couldn't finish.

Whisky Dick defense.

Let's not be too harsh. Samaje Perine is an NFL legend for a reason.

I didn't know that. He was a bit of a legend at OU, for breaking tackles, that's for sure. Heard a guy back then say he was Earl Campbell lite. Just a big, physical RB in a FB's body.

For that matter, Chase is like 6' 2" 210lbs, i think? Higgins is 6' 4" 220.

Name a S in the league as big as Higgins.

Point being, CIN has a lot of big skill players. In an era where most LBs and DBs are getting a little smaller than they were 20 years ago because everyone is trending towards speed and quickness. Well, you're going to give something up in tackling efficiency when those guys face bigger skill players.

Fair. It did seem like it was mostly secondary guys struggling. And Perine does run hard. Noticed him the week before running over people.

They couldn't even tackle Burrow. He's not exactly Lamar out there

Could swear there were that many on a couple series.

That 17 yard run right up the gut on a busted play was so pathetic.

It was really strange yesterday - Bolton (among others) were sitting and waiting for the ballcarrier to come to them to make the tackle rather than coming to the ballcarrier.

It has to have been a fluke game because I've never seen that trait before in him. He's a phenomenal tackler otherwise.

Burrow is another big guy that can run. He's not ever going to be confused with Josh Allen, but the guy can be a little elusive, and he can be tough to bring down. Watch his highlights on YT and there's a lot of would-be tacklers being posterized in those clips.

So, how do other teams look regarding missed tackles against the Bengals? Is this an us problem or is this a team with larger players that do this to everyone?

You knew it just wasn't our day when Burrow took the busted handoff off-guard for 20 yards lol

I especially like the ones there the Chiefs player spins them arounds for the extra five yards. Those make me feel so special...

That was so ****ing Andrew Luck-ish, it isn't even funny.

It was probably the scheme they used and he needed to prioritize potential passing plays. Or he just had a bad game.

I was harping on this yesterday and 14 seems low.

I am so sick of these Spags ball washers and how they attribute any good play to Spags, and poor play to the players. It's FN ridiculous.

Marty emphasized takeaways, and we always were at the top of the league in turnover differential.

Great DCs like Buddy Ryan or Dick LeBeau emphasized tackling, and their defenses were great at tackling.

What does Spags emphasize? Because it sure TF isn't takeaways or tackling.

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Nobody cares about that what people outside of us care about is that Burrow beat Mahomes yet again. That stings and can't shake it off till we even the score and win another Super Bowl.

he’s not lamar but he runs like pat, intelligently and perfectly timed.

going against a guy like burrow is always going to be frustrating bc hes so good and he slips out of trouble so often.

Pressure.

That's really it.

Spags claim to fame is two victories over Tom Brady in the SB. He got Brady off his spot, threw off his game with a savage d line.

In our SB we were playing a shit qb that threw what 8 passes in one postseason game?

Pennel forced an eyes shut desperation interception, Jones batted a couple passes, Nieman got a huge hit on a 3rd down, and Frank got a sack at the end.

He doesn't scheme to take players away, he schemes to create pressure on the qb. As we saw, Sanders was wide open for the go ahead td, Jimmy just wasn't that guy to hit that throw in the clutch.

If pressure isnt affecting the qb, you get games like we saw Sunday.

People outside of us don't matter. Our opinions are more informed and knowledgeable than theirs.

Yeah! They're all stupid and fat and smell like vinegar.

IDK, we were down 14-3 out of the gate. The margin for error is pretty small after that. The Chiefs had the lead by the third quarter though. We were on pace for a typical Mahomes finish when Kelce fumbled. Bengals were on the ropes.

No they weren't always top of the league in turnover differential. Marty's defenses were always up and down year to year.

It's useless to romanticize a history that isn't true.

Yep.

No fumble, no loss.

It's as simple as that.

I know people are dumb enough to go with the narratives, but it's a team game. That's why Mahomes had a losing record in college. The rest of the team was shitty.

Burrow has a better team behind him IMHO. Cincy has a better defense, which includes better tackling, better pass rush, & better secondary performance. KC's special teams have been pretty bad all year, so it's safe to assume the Bengals are better in that department. The coaching seems sharper with the Bengals as well. KC is a sloppy team and it starts with the coaches.

I wonder if Sneed would mind playing safety. You know he'd be great at it. Let Thornhill walk next year and roll with Williams, Watson and McDuffie at CB and Sneed, Reid at safety.

Those defenses drove me nuts with their tackling. It always seemed like they were more worried about trying to get a strip than to put the guy on the ground. 5 yards later......:cuss:

Similar to the Chris Jones at DE experiment, I just don't think it's a smart decision. Sneed is great in the role he's in so moving him elsewhere is risky.

Not to mention, CB is just far more important than S in most cases. I'd much rather keep moving him around at CB where he can cover, rush the passer, help in run support (though I wish he didn't need to do so often) than move him to S where he'd likely just go unnoticed when he's playing well.

Sneed has already played S in the past. He is capable.

Well, you know, they're still on Burrow's rookie deal.

And they'd been terrible for so long, they were drafting at the top of the round.

Now, I'm not saying their poorly coached-that's clearly a good coaching staff. But they have some institutional advantages that we no longer enjoy, and some that we never had because Andy had us in the play-offs every year even before Pat.

I mean, we drafted a 2nd round safety to take over for Thornhill so why would we move Sneed out of the slot?

I think you are wrong. When I get a chance I will hit football reference to get the numbers

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I have absolutely no interest in discussing this era of Chiefs history with you, but since you are citing accuracy as the primary metric, 'wasn't always top of the league' should be tempered with 'led the league for the decade'

1990-1999, Chiefs were head and shoulders above everyone in TO differential.

There was some egregious misses; the swing passes 3-4 yards behind the line of scrimmage that turned into big gains comes to mind.
The 4 Chiefs on 2 Bengals that went from a loss to a first down symbolized the mess we had become.

My point in bringing it up was someone said that tackling is taught from Pop Warner day one, and I was saying teams excel in what their coaches emphasize.

I cited Marty with takeaways, and Buddy Ryan/Dick LeBeau with tackling. I asked what does Spags emphasize, because it's obviously neither of those.

Someone else said he emphasizes pressure, but while that does disrupt some offenses, it's not enough to win games against top tier offenses and QBs.

Spags has had 12 quarters tho year, and still can't figure out how to sack a very sackable QB. This is a huge failure on his part considering the rest of the league doesn't seem to have any issues sacking Burrow.

I just don't think Spags is the DC for this team. Also, D'Alesio needs to be gone, because our safeties have been horrible.

And maybe Merritt isn't the coach for developing young corners.

The defense looked great shutting down King Henry in the second half, but we won't be playing rookie QBs making their first start in the playoffs.

I just can't stand Spags and don't get why others go to ridiculous lengths to defend him.

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Because they had a great pass rush with Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith. It's VERY difficult to force turnovers without a consistent pass rush.

Also, as much as people hated him, Marcus Peters was great at taking the ball away. So was Mathieu. We don't have any ball hogs on this defense.