Could Sean Peyton wind up in AZ?
 

The pressure to fire Kingsbury is sky high. Kyler Murray has talent, no doubt.

If I had to go somewhere as a coach like Peyton, AZ could be a real interesting place.

He could definitely handle Murray as well as anyone.

**** Denver and that mess. Colts ownership too fickle. Dallas possible if they get bounced in 1st game from playoffs, Jerry could toss McCarthy.

Where do you see him going? :hmmm:

Sure

Cards ownership is just as bad as the Colts.

And that's true regardless if this urban legend is true. This story is reaching the "Marino made Lamar Hunt mad by saying naughty words" urban legend status in the Cardinal fandom. But Cardinal fans are now huge on the narrative that Arians wanted to trade up for Mahomes but got overruled by Michael Bidwell (I.E. ownership) who were counting on either Mahomes or Watson falling to them.

My Dad is a Cards fan, which is how I'm privy to that intel.

I submit there might in fact be some doubt.

Dallas is my pick.

Not sure he wants to take on the Murray project.

Out of all of his options it might be the best realistic one.

I don't see the Chargers firing Staley after making the playoffs.

McVay isn't going anywhere.

The Dolphins aren't firing McDaniel.

He's not going to the shitshow that is the Denver Broncos.

Where else could he possibly go?

If Staley wins a couple of games in the playoffs, it'll be really, really hard for them to make the move.

But if he gets dropped by Mahomes in Game 1? it could be a "we've reached our ceiling with this guy" like we realized with Alex after getting dropped by the Steelers in the 2016 playoffs.

You sure about McVay? He made it seem after the SB last year he was going to hang it up. Wonder if this awful season for him accelerates that at all.

This or either LA team would make sense

Feel like he’d want some control so Dallas seems out but he also has a close relationship with jerry jones. And it’s kind of his best shot. Doesn’t have to compete against afc QBs for the playoffs.

Az might make sense. They’re incompetent but it would give him control especially since Keim seems like a goner.

I hope it’s not LAC. Not because I’m scared but because a fan base that can’t even get half their stadium full with their own fans doesn’t deserve it. And their POS greedy owner doesn’t deserve it either.

I just can’t believe Denver is an actual option for him. just makes no sense for a guy who can pretty much go where he wants.

Only other place would be Dallas. I think Jerruh could absolutely fire McCarthy in favor of bringing in Payton.

It would just be the power struggle that I think he wouldn’t want to be apart of

He then proceeded to sign an extension IIRC.

I really don't think he's going anywhere. They will be going all-in again next season.

I kind of think so, but then parcells didn’t seem to mind. And Payton has experience working with jerry. They gave parcells and Jason Garrett a ton of rope so it’s actually not as crazy as I once thought.

Warm weather, check.

They would probably give him full control, check.

He only has to face Mahomes once every four years, check.

first thing he will do is trade kyler murray to the raiders for carr and picks

Top 5 draft pick, check

I really hope he goes to Denver.

Payton is a smart, well connected dude. I've listened to a few of his interviews (that are people interviewing him, not bullshit production that is put on by whatever network he's working for these days.

I'm pretty sure it was the Russillo one I listened to that he came across as VERY measured, thoughtful and astute. He's certainly no Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards just floating around spewing ****ing cliches. And he was very articulate regarding what he was trying to do and what worked. I was genuinely impressed.

Accordingly, I would presume he knew what worked about Brees. From that perspective I wouldn't think he'd want any part of ****ing Kyler's dumbass. Payton is a grinder. Payton needs a grinder leading his team. Kyler ain't a ****ing grinder. Four years in, I think that much is true. I could be wrong here, it might be that Kliff is a dumb**** (I'm going with both are true), but from what I've seen to date I don't think there is much there that jives with what Payton wants to do.

Chargers SHOULD fire Staley. I'd be ****ing furious if the Chargers went and did something ****ing brilliant like firing Staley for Payton. **** that would suck.

I don't think he'd want to go to the Rams.

**** Donk Forever.

I mean, Carolina is an option. They should have a draft pick coming.

Any chance Chicago could walk away from Eberflus? They don't look all that bad and are looking at the #2 pick. If Payton doesn't like Fields, he'd be in position to get a guy.

Indy? If they don't keep Saturday, they're in line for a #5 pick

Pete Carroll is a ****ing dinosaur. He could walk away (I think that's unlikely, but man he's ****ing old)

I think Brother****ing Cheatriot is an outside chance. Simmons laid it out in his podcast, Kraft is 81, Belicheat is 70 and a LONG way away, and they've had 4 years of suckage. Unlikely, but that's coming from Simmons.

There are always surprise firings.

Sidenote: How's the whole coach youth movement going, you ****s. Did anyone that ever had lunch with Sean McVay turn out to be Gods Gift to football? **** all these dumb mother****ers. They're not as bad yet, but they're approaching Brother****ing Cheatriot territory.

Kyler Murray seems like the #2 QB disaster behind Russel Wilson. I fail to see what anyone sees in this kid.

Ahh gotcha. Guess that takes the LAR off the table as well.

They see a mini Mahomes.

He's not that. He's got a lot of the same physical gifts Mahomes does without the hunger.

When he goes playground, he's insane. But he can't execute scripted plays precisely, is hurt all the time, and doesn't give a **** about the grind.

He's pretty much the same dude as he was at OU. Mahomes is nowhere near the same dude he was at TT.

What about the Texans? #1 overall pick to get your QB, warm weather...roster needs some work but...
I still think the NFC is his preferred destination but I'm not seeing that perfect option outside maybe Dallas.

He goes playground because of his lack of understanding in running an NFL offense, and the fact that he's so small that he can't see all the throwing lanes (something Russell Wilson is having big time problems with). Running your offense through a guy like that is just crazy to me.

The fact that AZ initially put into his contract that he would have to study so many hours of film is telling. That is unheard of for any franchise QB. He has some tools, but lack where it matters most and that’s between his ears and his heart.

I would hold out for the charges jb Herbert 10 times the qb. That coach will get fired within 2 years.

I hear antifreeze is sweet

Rise up red sea!

ROFL

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Sean Payton loved Mahomes before the draft, he thought he was the next Favre.


If he takes the AZ job that's a huge buy Murray signal.

Remember when Andy Reid was supposed to end up in AZ? I think John Clayton (or someone) even reported it.

Curious how talented they will be once Herbert gets paid.

I think his ranking would be as follows.

1. Cowboys (His Roots)
2. Chargers (QB/Weather)
3. Arizona (Location/Talent)
4. Saints (Return Home)

Unfortunately, I think the Chargers is by far the best fit. Great young QB and other talent, Payton's (now) hometown, weather and on owner that would likely give him lots of control. Could really suck for us if it happens -hoping not.

He's way too smart to hitch his wagon to a punk like Kyler Murray.

Welp, now the rumor is Payton back to the Saints with Brady as QB. Actually sort of checks out considering the Stephen Ross maneuverings ended up being 100% accurate

Curious how good the Chiefs will be once Mahomes get paid

It actually makes the most sense... checks off all his supposed prerequisites... warm weather, would get full control, etc. and if he can get a QB like Tommy Bitch or even someone like Derek Carr, the Saints would be well positioned to win that weak ass division.

That actually makes a ton of sense all things considered. Bucs without Brady are absolute dogshit and the Falcons and Panthers have shown little indication they'll have their shit together any time soon.

Dallas the rams or the saints

Kylr Murray is the problem in Arizona

much more than Kliff

I'm not sure who'd be tougher to work with, Russ or Kyler... there is no good answer here

Without a doubt it’s Russell. Neither situation is ideal. Kyler is a shitty leader but he’s not egotistical twat. He may not be overly liked in his locker room but Russells teammates flat out despise him. You can keep kyler at average where Russell is going to get worse and worse since he can’t run anymore. And in a few years you can sell kyler very high.

It’s not ideal. But it’s manageable. You’re right that it’s not meant for a prime candidate like Payton. But may be a good spot for a defensive coach who can build around a run game and is happy to just be average.

Thats all a fair argument, except for the part about Murray not being an egotistical twat

The best fit for AZ is someone like the broncos DC. Sell high on guys like Hopkins. Scrap the idea of being an offensive team. Build around the running game and turn Kyler into Lamar. And then build a great defense. In a weak nfc you could do worse. But first you have to give up the idea that the cards run through Kyler instead of running around him.

Considering Herbert is not Mahomes in talent your point makes little sense unless Herbert has a contract structured like Mahomes.

I don’t know that it’s ego. I don’t think he cares about football or others. Selfish and lazy maybe.

Kansas City would be #1 on his list no doubt…if you hear the way he gushes about Pat you can just tell he’d love to coach him…

Having said that, Andy will probably coach until he dies literally on the sidelines soooo….

I see the distinction you're wanting to make, and we more or less agree

My point is that it takes one helluva ego to BE that selfish and lazy, considering the money they're paying him and everything else thats at stake in the NFL

To extrapolate it out if Kingsbury gets the axe in AZ.....

- Let Bieniemy go
- Promote Nagy to OC
- Bring in Kingsbury to fill Nagy's current role and be Mahomes' concierge
- Profit in Dynasty Mode for years

If the Chargers cut ties with Daly, IMO he'll be their HC.

If he did I think he'd draft a new QB and trade Kyler.

Payton knows he needs a HOF QB to be successful.

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Kyler as the latest savior QB to Irsay and the Colts carousel would make me utterly giddy.

I do wonder if he thinks there's The Guy in this year's draft.

I personally think CJ Stroud has the tools to be another, taller Drew Brees. But he has to stay focused.

I know this, Stroud would have won the lottery if he went to Arizona with Payton as the coach.

What's so special about Sean Peyton? He had a prime Drew Brees and went to one Super Bowl.

Yes, I know the refs screwed them in 2018, but that doesn't absolve him of other playoff failures or for that matter other mistakes in that 2018 game.

Bounty Gate too

He's a great coach and it's not like Drew Brees went very far on his own


edit: bounties were a thing for decades before he got caught

And what did people say about Andy Reid?

As good as Brees was he was also horrible in weather. Which made road playoff games particularly difficult. To his credit his team was really good across eras. Defense, offense always adjusted to the times. He’s not a mike mccarthy that got exposed with time.

Our coach is way better but Payton is still a hell of a coach.

Ugh, I can’t say I agree. He reeks of early kirk cousins to me. he throws a beautiful accurate ball but that’s about all you can say. For as nice of an arm as he has he doesn’t make nearly enough big throws and he is slow as molasses so he’s not going to bail himself out if he doesn’t see it.

I mean if they’re willing to take the $80m in dead cap of whatever it is… it’s not even an option. Kyler is a cardinal and whoever coaches there is stuck with him

Kyler can’t stay healthy doing what he does now. No way he can do what Lamar does.

QBs make coaches look smarter. Reid was a good regular season coach who became a playoff winner after Mahomes became starter. Peyton Manning took three different coaches to a Super Bowl (all defensive minded head coaches). I've never seen the big deal with Sean Payton. I suppose he wasn't as bad as McCarthy though, like you said.

My point isn’t to build your offense around Kyler. It’s to hide him in the background. Whoever coaches him is stuck with him. Throwing less passes is one way to keep him healthier. Get rid of their stud receivers, invest in the running game and defense. Maybe Lamar is a bad example, but he could do ok in an offense like Cleveland’s (when stefanski isn’t an idiot and actually runs the ball repeatedly). Not great but passable enough to make the next few years less miserable.

A lot of talking heads all say Kyler has tons of talent. He can throw fine, needs to run much less.

I think Peyton can set him on a better course.

Be careful for what you wish for. I don't know why some folks think Denver is such a bad place to land for Sean. Top 10 defense. Great 2ndary. Great WRs. Sean could easily accommodate a Russell Wilson offense for him. Russell in all his years in Seattle was never in a WC offense guy which is "precise timing routes". That is all Hackett knew and why Russell struggled to embrace it. Hackett was not ready for prime time that's for sure. IMHO IF Sean took the Denver job he could get things turned around pretty quickly. Just saying.:shrug:

Kyler will NEVER be a student of the game. He proved it again this season even after getting called out in signing his new contract extension(more film study required). He is just one of those guys that "ain't gonna do it" but just go through the motions for the brass. He is NOT a leader IMHO.

Because Russell is old and the one quality that made him dangerous, his legs to extend plays, are no longer a weapon. And he’s going to get older. And older.

Because once Wilson’s contract really kicks in you now have $50m less to spend on support players.

Because the only way to make this work is either let Russell be Russell and piss off every teammate. Or force him to get in line which probably gets you in a deshaun Watson situation where you pay $50m to a guy who will sulk and drain and pout for 4 years. No coach is fixing that.

And not only do you not have draft picks because you traded for russell. You lose even more picks trading for Payton.

It’s a disaster.

Kingsbury looks miserable…

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You make a very valid point in the draft picks lost BUT it is a QB driven league and Russell's problem is not his legs because he still has them IMHO. But no coach worth his salt is going to want to go to a team with no QB. I think Sean would relish working with Wilson and set him up with an offense that best suits him. Wilson and Brees are very similar QBs. Both are short with big arms that can scramble. Wilson not only had no WC timing experience BUT even worse he knew Hackett was in over his head and Wilson had no confidence in him. Now with that being sad, Wilson made the mistake of thinking everything was just going to come together very easily and it didn't for various reasons, one big one of which not working with WRs in the offseason prior and absolutely no pre-season play.

McDonald's House will be nice for Mr & Mrs Murray

Yeah, he and McVay are really unfortunate guys.......oh wait.

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Accuracy is what he's known for and so was Drew. It's the thing I would covet most in a young QB.

I can live without the deep ball give me accuracy all day.

Unless you have Mahomes, of course.

But for a guy who can make a lot of the throws he just doesn’t. He’s a bigger arm alex smith but with no mobility. I’ve seen a lot of him and just am not impressed. He gets stumped by good defenses and is incredibly safe. I just don’t think he’s going to come close to matching the incredible football iq of a drew Bree’s. His upside feels way more Kirk cousins and I think more than likely he’s Byron leftwich.

I mean, ok, but a lot of QBs get the "not impressed" based on in-game play. Herbert, Mahomes, Josh Allen.

He clearly needs to study the game but with a coach like Payton, which was my point, I think he could shine.

Byron Leftwich? Yeah I don't see that.

I think the Texans make the most sense all-around. They have gone through the worst from the rebuilding phase and now have a pretty clean slate with a young roster of a few really solid pieces (Stingley, Pitre, young OL, Pierce) with the first overall pick to build however you’d like or get the QB you like. I think the second first would need to be traded to acquire Payton but there is still a strong haul of assets going forward from all the moves Caserio made. He came in and did the dirty work and got through the ugly phase, and now Payton can build how he wants and get all the praise for turning them into a winner.

Warm weather, full control, long-term job security, and young roster to build and mold. Think it’s a shoo-in honestly, especially with the other options on the market. Arizona is a few years away from what the Texans are coming out of. Dallas is a main contender in my eyes. Panthers would have a lot to pay to pry him from Nola.

I can't fathom Carolina being a consideration with his ties to New Orleans.

Arizona just doens't seem likely to me. I don't think a coach like him is going to want Kyler Murray. He's going to want to pick his own or walk into a situation where he has what he wants.

Houston would absolutely be atop the list IMO now that Easter**** is gone. Caserio actually isn't that bad of a GM. I think, with Payton, they could put together a really solid roster. Take the QB you need at #1 and roll with it. To me that guy is Levis, but everyone can make their arguments.

Denver... I don't know. That's kind of a tough spot. He could make Russell Wilson work and he's not tied to him forever. You pretty much have to get through two seasons though and in the NFL that can be a long time, especially if you're staring down having to bring in a young guy to groom as well.

Indy would be a definite good fit IF Irsay can geth is hands off and let Payton do what he needs to do. You have a pretty solid O'Line (Raimann will improve, fix RG, look at future at RT), good RB, good WRs. Need a QB but have a top 5 pick right now and Ryan could be a solid mentor for a year. Defense is solid with some good pieces to build around and mostly needs a concentration on talent in the secondary.

The Chargers are an easy fit but will they dump what they have?

We've talked about LAC and Donks, what about "Monk" Davis trying to get him to the Raiders?

I could see him dumping Josh McD for Payton. Has the warm weather and a roster that could be competitive, and he could give Payton complete control of personnel.

Not saying I want to see it, but the Faid do tick the checkboxes.

Payton knows how hard it will be to play Mahomes twice a year, and I would think he would only want to do that with the Chargers roster. I don't see him in the Raiders org at all... especially with all of the noise about Carr being gone this offseason. he would need to acquire an elite QB really fast, and outside of picking up Tom ****ing Brady, I don't think the Faiders have the draft capital to move much.

Hard Knocks in season with AZ showed an exchange between Kyler and Hollywood Brown.

Its practice and Kyler is telling Brown that whenever he comes open over the middle to "throw your hand up because I can't...uh because you know...uh."

Denver doesn't have the picks to give up to get him.

No one is talking about that part of it.