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dlphg9 01-08-2023 03:29 PM

Watson vs Wilson - which was the worst trade and sign?
 
Watson trade

Browns received

Serial sexual assaulter- 27 yr old Deshaun Watson and then signed him to 5 yr/$230 mil fully guaranteed contract

2024 6th round pick

Texans received

2022 1st round pick 13th overall
2023 1st round pick ~12th overall
2024 1st round pick
2022 4th round pick 107th overall
2023 3rd round pick
2024 4th round pick

Wilson trade

Broncos receive

The chef - 34 year old Russell Wilson and sign him to a 5 yr/$242 million $161 million guaranteed

2022 4th rounder

Seahawks receive

QB Drew Lock
DT Shelby Harris
TE Noah Fant
2022 first round pick 9th overall
2022 second round pick 40th overall
2022 fifth round pick
2023 first round pick 3rd overall
2023 second round pick

Personally I think the Wilson trade was worse based on his age and what he had been doing in previous seasons. Plus they gave up a pick that would net a QBOTF possibly. The only thing that makes this close is Watson is a piece of trash human and Cleveland gave up 3 1st round picks.

I couldn't be happier for Denver or Cleveland, though.

carcosa 01-08-2023 03:30 PM

I think they both stink bad but as far as we know Russell Wilson's only crime is felony corniness so I'll give the edge to Watson

St. Patty's Fire 01-08-2023 03:34 PM

its tough and i picked watson, but the watson trade does have a slightly better chance of turning out ok for cleveland whereas denver is inarguably ****ed for a decade

Spott 01-08-2023 03:37 PM

Both equally bad, but Wilson is worse only because Watson is a few years younger and it’s still possible that he might improve, although I highly doubt it. Nobody gets better by going to Cleveland.

Megatron96 01-08-2023 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 16722619)
its tough and i picked watson, but the watson trade does have a slightly better chance of turning out ok for cleveland whereas denver is inarguably ****ed for a decade

This. DEN is pure effed for maybe the next 4 years with Wilson. And he's washed.

Watson still should be good to go, assuming he ever regains something like his former physical ability. he just apparently is rusty as ****. maybe there was something to those massages . . .

smithandrew051 01-08-2023 03:38 PM

I picked Wilson to cancel out Quesadilla Cope’s vote

Frazod 01-08-2023 03:45 PM

I'd say Wilson because there's still a chance that Watson could pull his head out of his ass, keep his perversions to himself (mail order third world bride, perhaps?) and be protective, and maybe, just maybe, outlive the damage caused by the loss of all those high draft picks they flushed to get him. Wilson, OTOH, seems completely washed and will probably be watching games from home by the time Denver gets out from under that mess. I seriously doubt they will ever get any benefit from it whatsoever. Which makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside every time I think about it. :)

Both horrible deals, though. Seattle and Houston should reap huge rewards for finding imbeciles to bring in Brinks trucks to haul off their trash.

New World Order 01-08-2023 03:47 PM

Watson has been out for a while.

Russell is just bad

RunKC 01-08-2023 03:47 PM

The Broncos traded Bradley Chubb to try to make up for the disaster of the Russell Wilson trade.

They’ve basically traded away 3 top 10 picks.

BigCatDaddy 01-08-2023 04:07 PM

I can see Watson bouncing back with a normal off season. Wilson...he's dead Jim.

Pablo 01-08-2023 04:07 PM

Wilson is done. He's washed. Its over for him.

Deshaun might be serviceable after he finds the right massage team in Cleveland

chiefzilla1501 01-08-2023 04:08 PM

They’re equally bad right now. And that makes the Russell trade worse.

Watson is getting back to football. He is still young where Russell is a running qb who doesn’t run anymore. Watson may be a distraction but he isn’t hated in the locker room.

Archie Bunker 01-08-2023 04:10 PM

Hard to chose. I think the Broncos decision is more crippling and Wilson has less of a chance to turn it around but the Browns actually knew what they were getting into and did it anyway.

So I guess the Browns.

Megatron96 01-08-2023 04:14 PM

I'll say, it's taking Watson long enough. Guy acts like he's only had 4 months of prep to get ready to play, and he's still ass. Not like he doesn't have a top-10 defense, a top-5 OL, a top-3 rushing attack, and a top-5 receiving corps.

Pablo 01-08-2023 04:18 PM

OMG that third down by Russ just now was the most hilarious failure that should drive this thread even harder in his direction. My god please get a gif of that in here ASAP

Kiimo 01-08-2023 04:46 PM

Watson for me.

You leave Wilson alone with your teenage daughter the biggest threat is him trying to rap to her about the dangers of premarital sex.

Eleazar 01-08-2023 04:46 PM

Watson is worse, they gave up more than 3 first round picks, AND his whole deal is fully guaranteed.

And people with his sort of off the field issues don’t just knock it off. They are what they are.

TwistedChief 01-08-2023 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16722700)
I'll say, it's taking Watson long enough. Guy acts like he's only had 4 months of prep to get ready to play, and he's still ass. Not like he doesn't have a top-10 defense, a top-5 OL, a top-3 rushing attack, and a top-5 receiving corps.

Top 5 receiving corp? Definitely not. More like a top 25 receiving corp.

Chris Meck 01-08-2023 04:47 PM

I really do not understand why people think Watson is anywhere near an elite QB.

Dude threw 50/50 balls to Hopkins for the most part. I don't see anything special there. I mean, Daunte Culpepper threw 50/50 balls to Randy Moss, and then was pretty forgettable when that wasn't an option anymore.

And Watson is a serial sexual assaulter, which has alienated a good chunk of what has been a very loyal and dedicated fanbase. If I was a Cleveland fan, I'd be furious, disheartened, and probably just not watch NFL football anymore.

I have several Ohio friends that feel that way.

So I say Watson is the worst deal. What a slap in the face to all Browns fans. Hadn't they suffered enough?

**** that guy.

Eleazar 01-08-2023 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16722774)
I really do not understand why people think Watson is anywhere near an elite QB.

Dude threw 50/50 balls to Hopkins for the most part. I don't see anything special there. I mean, Daunte Culpepper threw 50/50 balls to Randy Moss, and then was pretty forgettable when that wasn't an option anymore.

And Watson is a serial sexual assaulter, which has alienated a good chunk of what has been a very loyal and dedicated fanbase. If I was a Cleveland fan, I'd be furious, disheartened, and probably just not watch NFL football anymore.

I have several Ohio friends that feel that way.

So I say Watson is the worst deal. What a slap in the face to all Browns fans. Hadn't they suffered enough?

**** that guy.

Yeah. The cost to the organization in local goodwill, pride, and team identification will have a broad impact.

srvy 01-08-2023 04:50 PM

Don't turn your back to Dak. His suckage is kinda being overlooked.

Rainbarrel 01-08-2023 04:53 PM

If I am decent HC material. I take the factory of sadness over donner pass

Megatron96 01-08-2023 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16722771)
Top 5 receiving corp? Definitely not. More like a top 25 receiving corp.

i don't know exactly where they rank, but they have Amari Cooper, true WR1 (thought to be a top 3 WR just a season or two ago), David Njoku (top-15 TE), Chubb/Hunt out of the backfield, and DPJ is apparently having a JJSS type of season. That's top-10-15 at least? it's a pretty good receiving group regardless.

HemiEd 01-08-2023 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 16722619)
its tough and i picked watson, but the watson trade does have a slightly better chance of turning out ok for cleveland whereas denver is inarguably ****ed for a decade

Well said, and I think they were both awesome trades for my favorite team, the Kansas City Chiefs!ROFL

Chris Meck 01-08-2023 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 16722782)
If I am decent HC material. I take the factory of sadness over donner pass

**** that. Either is a death sentence. I'll go coach Eastern Uganda State.

frozenchief 01-08-2023 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spott (Post 16722623)
Both equally bad, but Wilson is worse only because Watson is a few years younger and it’s still possible that he might improve, although I highly doubt it. Nobody gets better by going to Cleveland.

This. You wonder if Watson is this bad because he’s rusty and needs time to get ready. Given his age and his time off, I think the odds of Watson improving are better than the odds of Wilson improving, although not by a great deal. Thus, I’d have to say the Wilson trade is a worse trade. But again, this the difference is not much.

Cleveland has always been a shot show. Can’t say I’m surprised at what they did. Denver, though, Denver has been a pretty well run franchise. I’m surprised they screwed up this badly.

dlphg9 01-08-2023 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16722774)
I really do not understand why people think Watson is anywhere near an elite QB.

Dude threw 50/50 balls to Hopkins for the most part. I don't see anything special there. I mean, Daunte Culpepper threw 50/50 balls to Randy Moss, and then was pretty forgettable when that wasn't an option anymore.

And Watson is a serial sexual assaulter, which has alienated a good chunk of what has been a very loyal and dedicated fanbase. If I was a Cleveland fan, I'd be furious, disheartened, and probably just not watch NFL football anymore.

I have several Ohio friends that feel that way.

So I say Watson is the worst deal. What a slap in the face to all Browns fans. Hadn't they suffered enough?

**** that guy.

I am definitely not one of those people that think Watson is elite. I even made a thread about it like 2 years ago.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=334613

DrunkBassGuitar 01-08-2023 05:15 PM

both are terrible but edge to Wilson because he's in a division with Mahomes and Herbert so theres no chance the broncos sniff the playoffs until they get that albatross off their neck

Kiimo 01-08-2023 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrunkBassGuitar (Post 16722851)
both are terrible but edge to Wilson because he's in a division with Mahomes and Herbert so theres no chance the broncos sniff the playoffs until they get that albatross off their neck

I mean the AFCN isn't much easier

jettio 01-08-2023 05:19 PM

If Denver had a coach that knew how to run a training camp and practice, Wilson would have been solid this year.

Once you saw week 1 versus Seattle and the next two Bronco games, you could just tell it was like they were not prepared.

If Denver gets a coach that know how to prepare a team, I think Wilson will be decent, but not elite.

Both of those trades and long term deals are bad.


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