LNBS: Greg Lewis should be the new OC
 

After Bienemy goes to Denver.

Lots of similarities to Doug Peterson

Andy signed him as an UDFA out of college and coached him for 6 or 7 years.
Andy has prepped him for the role by having him coach multiple position groups.
The job he’s done with Pacheco and McKinnon has been top shelf.
Tyreek had his best years under Lewis.

Get the next round of Third round comp picks ready when Greg gets a HC spot in 2-3 years as Mahomes has his best years.

I think it’s nagys job to lose and I’m fine with that.

Use nagys experience to mentor a young QBs coach. I’ve always wanted to see Kyle shurmur get a shot under Reid. As an outside the box idea.

Pretty sure it's going be Matt Nagy.

@BossChief, you don't think Denver will end up with someone else? I assume they are wanting someone with head coaching experience. Even if they don't get Sean Payton, I would think Coach Bieniemy is pretty far down the list for them.

Well the thread is titled LNBS, so I'm going to assume this is hypothetical.

So, fine. EB goes to DEN (don't believe this would happen, but again we're blue-skying, so what the hell).

And then Andy elevates Greg Lewis to OC. We'll pretend that Nagy doesn't exist for a few minutes, or whatever backstory works. He decided to join the circus, maybe. Okay.

I like Lewis. I've only seen a few pressers to make an impression, but I like how he presents himself. He appears to be a pretty smart person, excited about being on the staff, working with the players, and honest, as far as he can be as a coach for an NFL team. I don't know if i necessarily see him as a HC in a few years, but I don't see an obvious reason he couldn't either.

He was the WR coach or something related to receivers at one time, right? Thought I remembered something about him working with Hardman on his mechanics or footwork a couple years ago.

We need more information, really. Has he put his signature style or something on anything yet? That'd possibly be interesting.

nagy was brought in for a reason :thumb:

They want a splash name, no doubt about it

After Nagy helped Mahomes before the draft, I want him to be a part of the organization forever.

Wanting a big named, experienced HC and actually getting one are two total different things.

Denver with zero draft capital, Russ and 4 divisional games against Mahomes and Herbert has to be a tough sell to anyone with options.

IDGAF because its actually Reid at the end of the day.

The two have great chemistry. You can just tell. He sits with mahomes way more than we ever saw from Kafka or bieniemy.

Would also add that Nagy has the title of senior assistant so all this is moot. You don’t give that to a QBs coach unless the plan was to ease him into a senior role.

Biggest problem with that is you said replacing EB. KC desperately needs him gone, but no good way to do it. They can only hope another team hires him, but after the past few years it doesn’t look promising.

So Nagy to OC and Kliff Kingsbury Qb coach?

Nagy all the way. Obviously, they get along well. Which I think is the issue with EB.

I've thought about this too in the name of giving new guys chances at the OC position.

Nagy is the most qualified, sure, but it's Reid. The OC doesn't really matter. So why not give the job to a new guy? Because Nagy will leave for an OC position somewhere else? Oh teh noes.

In all the head coach searches so far, and they've been talking about it alot the last couple of days I haven't heard EB's name mentioned even once. I'm thinking Chiefs fans better get used to the idea that EB isn't going to leave unless he takes another OC job somewhere else and the 3rd round comp pick is a pipedream.

Clark should offer to pay EBs salary to whoever takes him for 2 years

I want Bieniemy to Denver so ****ing bad.

Not just for the comp picks. I need Quesadilla Cope to twist himself into a pretzel explaining how Bieniemy was the real genius behind the Chiefs success. I need that.

Nagy is the heir apparent to Andy here when he decides to hang it up. So whatever you wanna do to keep him here do that.

Why the **** would Eric Bienemy EVER go to Denver?

That makes 0.0% sense.

Howcome Boss keeps posting off season stuff during the playoff run?

we definitely need less obesity on the sideline

the camera will make love to greg lewis slender frame

The post was mainly to try to speak 4 third round comp picks into existence.

Hell yeah brother

Because it's happening.

Like many others, I think Nagy is the next OC and the perfect succession plan for Reid when he retires. Nagy has experience calling plays and directing a team on his own. While I think Lewis is a great candidate, I think it would only be in a situation where Nagy was lost and it would need to happen soon.

Reid is already 64. I don't know how many more years he'll want to go before he rides off into the sunset and enjoys some time with his wife. I believe he's done when his contract runs out in 2025.

It could be his only option. EB should look at this off-season as his last chance to become an NFL HC. If it doesn't happen this year highly unlikely it ever will.

Is there a way to just... fire him?

Or is that creating too much smoke around our team that we just don't want to deal with? Idk how getting rid of a coach works tbh, but he's outstaying his welcome and nobody really "likes" him, they're just dealing with him.

I don't get why people would want Nagy to be the next in line after Reid left.

We have Mahomes, we don't have to settle for second, third, or fourth best.

We would be the top choice for every hot shot play-caller and offensive mind.

I think this is silly. I understand the appeal for a couple comp picks, but EB needs a head coaching job badly, and its become very clear that Matt Nagy and Mahomes are probably not going to be separated again.

It's not settling. The relationship and respect is what you are looking for number one, and keeping the style of offense in tact. Nagy gives you all of that.

I mean who else would you even consider?

I hope Reid stays another decade. But if he had stated he was leaving last year or this year I would have looked into Daboll last year or Steichen this year.

Based on Houston's propensity to hire and subsequently fire black head coaches... this seems the ideal spot for EB. Just saying.

I guess I’m a little partial to the guy. You see mahomes with him more than we’ve seen from other offensive coaches. And Kafka was a good coach. So Patrick obviously really likes him and Nagy is helpful. Reid may be the genius of the operation but I think Nagy was extremely instrumental in that first year of mahomes development which turned him from a mechanical mess into a star.

I also think back to the days when Andy first started. They talked about meetings where Andy encouraged all his coaches to research concepts they see on all levels and coaches would eagerly throw a million crazy ideas at the wall. Think I read somewhere that Nagy gets especially geeky about wanting to try new things. I don’t know how good of a play caller he is but I really like him as an offensive coach. Which actually makes this situation ideal for him

"EB, we gotta move on this year. So... whatever calls you need me to make, I'll make. But you should take a head coaching job - wherever that is."

I agree 100% with this post.

The last few games I noticed Mahomes and Nagy sitting on the bench discussing plays together. In one sequence, EB was sitting right next to them but Mahomes was facing towards Nagy and discussing the plays with him.
If EB is leaving, the main reason for his departure would be Mahomes. They don't see each other eye to eye. I think Pat knows the guy lask ingenuity and crafty ideas to run an offense.

I still think this is the direction we should go.

Giving Veach a couple third rounders would be huge with the way he drafts.

From a value perspective in a trade up, those 2 thirds have the value to love from 32 all the way to 20 and on sone charts even to pick 19.

Greg is a VERY sharp coach. I’m sure he would interview very well when he would get looks as a HC.

It’s 100% Nagy, pretty easy to see that’s been the plan all along.

Not sure I’m onboard with using those spots just to harvest draft picks anyway. If it happens, fine, but it shouldn’t be a factor at all.

Weren’t Nagy and Veach college teammates too?

If there was ever a Head Coach in Waiting it’s Nagy.

That worked brilliantly the last time he was a head coach. Nagy was 1 of the worst coaches this century. Please don't tell me that no one could've done anything with the Bears roster because that's a cop out and lame excuse.

Nagy is fine right where he is-as an assistant coach. If EB moves on, then Lewis should get the chance.

Oh I’m not saying I think Nagy should be our next head coach. I’m just saying I think he will be.

He clearly has a close connection to Veach, Reid, and Mahomes. The dots seem to connect. The problem is we have no idea when that would be. Hopefully, it’s no time soon because I want Reid to stay as long as possible.

I’ll also be shocked if Nagy isn’t our next OC whenever Bieniemy leaves.

This seems like a pretty harsh statement. Nagy had a winning record even with pretty bad QB's on the Chicago team. The QB situation would be very good for him in Kansas City if he takes over for Coach Reid in the next 5-7 years.

Nagy will take over after a couple of years as OC, I have zero doubts about that.

EB isn’t just risking his career just to show the world he can do it, he knows the Chiefs job isn’t his if he waits for it.

Nagy is a Veach and Mahomes guy and he’ll be just fine. Not like this would be the first time in history that a coach failed, went back to be an assistant, and then gets a 2nd chance. We see it damn near every year.

I have no idea what you guys see in Nagy. He was and is hated by Bears fans because he was trash there. He's fine here...because of that Mahomes guy as well as Andy.

As has been pointed out with EB, everyone knows it's Andy running things. Nagy doesn't mean much to us. Hopefully some other team tricks themselves into hiring.

I want the picks. Give the job to Lewis. There's no way he can be as bad at interviewing as EB apparently is. He'll get hired and get us picks.

Nagy can stay an assistant, if he knows what's good for him.

Did you see Nagy and Pat at the parade today? They are like two peas in a pod.

I dont see anyone but Nagy be our OC and we can put up 50 burgers weekly.

Keep him around as QB coach. They can continue to be two peas in a pod.

Nagy will be the next OC. Get use to it. And why is this a problem?

Bringing in some new OC aint happening.

I said it in one of the other threads but it really comes down to what Matt Nagy wants to do long-term.

Does he want a chance at a HC job elsewhere? If so, he's going to want that OC gig. And if that's what he wants, give it to him.

If, OTOH, he's content biding his time here and likely replacing Andy long-term, then go ahead and give the gig to Greg Lewis and try to build his stock. You can go ahead and pay Nagy what you'd have paid him as an OC and he'd have similar responsibilities to Lewis, but it would boost Lewis's profile.

I give Nagy the right of first refusal.

And Philly fans trashed Andy.

I truly don't care what opposing fans have to say about a guy. Many of them, and usually the loudest ones, don't know their asses from a hole in the ground.

Should EB leave, Nagy seems to be the logical successor.

But back to EB leaving. There's been a whole lot of discussion about play calling, his relationship with Mahomes, etc. I'm of the opinion that he will be hard-pressed to get that HC job as long as he's under Andy's shadow. Being an OC behind a defensive mined HC would prove that he's either a figurehead or HC material.

I don't believe for a min that Nagy can back just to be the QB Coach. He'll be our next OC, and then a front runner for HC when Reid retires in 10 years....

This coaching staff has just been insane for a while now.

Reid, Nagy, Spags, and Bienemy are all HC-caliber coaches.

Lewis, Heck, Cullen, and Merritt are all coordinator-caliber coaches. It was bananas.

Someday I'll understand why Sean McVay's pizza guy got a HC job but when it's Reid's guys you hear "Oh, well it's all Andy..."

Or why people keep picking fruit from the poisonous Belichick tree yet "we haven't seen Bieniemy do enough..."

Just don't get it.

And Reid might have talked to him when he came back about that. If Nagy is the succession plan...then why not let Greg Lewis get his turn as OC and then get a job as a HC?

Nagy walked into a mess in Chicago, hoping he could make the Bears into something he couldn't. EB saw that and isn't going to make the same mistake. As long as Nagy stays around Andy and PMII, he's going to be in discussions about potential HC vacancies. The same can be said for Lewis. EB is a perennial bridesmaid as long as he's with the Chiefs, too many "thanks, but no thanks" opportunities blown. He has to prove his worth with another team.

I watched a recent interview with Nagy. He said he is watching everything Coach Reid does while remembering everything Nagy did wrong in Chicago. He said he’s taking notes and learning as much as he can from Reid. He said now that he had the 4 years of HC experience, he has a completely different view while observing & learning from Reid.

Nagy is definitely wanting to be a HC again. I think he should be patient and wait for the Chiefs job. He has the perfect relationship with a Hall of Fame QB & Hall of Fame GM. It’s a much better situation than walking into another team where the HC got fired and the team is a mess.

75? That's not happening.

You know what would be a sweet gig for Nagy?

Focus on developing the whole tool box of Mahomes while getting paid like an OC.
Greg Lewis gets his shot as OC and in 2 years, gets a HC job (which I think he will) and Nagy gets the OC job (another raise) and the team gets 2 third rounders to add to our existing talent pool.

I don't get that at all.

Why is it that we need EB gone again?

Because we’ve only won two Super Bowls with him on the staff

Or what Nagy has done to earn this much love as to be penned in as his replacement.

That, uh, was a joke :)

If Greg Lewis is better suited for that OC job than Nagy, then so be it. I've just always assumed Nagy was going to snag that spot as soon as EB left.

No clue.

Nagy is here to stay, most likely the heir to Andy.