In the "will never happen but it's fun to dream" discussion
 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Commanders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Commanders</a> DE Chase Young, former 2nd overall pick in the 2020 Draft, isn&#39;t guaranteed to have his 5th-year option picked up by the team, according to <a href="https://twitter.com/michaelpRTD?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaelpRTD</a> <br><br>The option is worth $17.4 million.<br><br>Young has only 1.5 sacks the past 2 seasons, and missed games due to injuries <a href="https://t.co/0rY7DMhfBM">pic.twitter.com/0rY7DMhfBM</a></p>&mdash; Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1623683385389449218?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Say they don't wanna pick up his option and have decided to keep Sweat and Payne and move Young.

Would you send our first this year and a 2nd next year for that?

It's not a question of would I...it's a question of would they accept it?

You'd be banking that his injuries aren't lingering and that he's going to be worth the contract moving forward...but yeah I would.

Not sure this team can afford two mega contracts on the defensive line though.

If you did this, could you pick up the 5th year option?

You could have him for 10 mil and then 17 mil then you'd have a potential tag year or an extension.

I just absolutely can't make it work financially.

With all the injuries, I'd be willing to invest a 2nd rounder. Few teams manage team health like the Chiefs. And Young is an absolute pistol of a personality. He's hungry as hell and pairing him up with personalities like Clark and Jones would give the front of the line so much attitude.

But the risk, of course, is that he walks the following offseason. And I'm nervous investing a high pick in that. I wish there was a way you can extend him but that's not what Young wants -- he wants to play on his contract as-is, explode for a year, and get paid.

I would, but I'm loathe to deprive Veach of draft picks. I'd trade a 2nd for that, but I'd like the Commanders to attach a 5th to him on the way back. Veach is in the zone.

You could approach him with a contract extension. He wouldn't sign it I doubt, but you could take 2 tag numbers and the 5th year option add a bit and come to him with it.

With Clark and Jones? The only way this is working is if you just straight cut Clark.

Clark is gone. Why are we even talking about this?

It wouldn't be $10 million though, right? Washington would be on the hook for his prorated bonus. That means his 2023 cap hit for the Chiefs would be roughly $5.5 million.

2023 - $5.5 million
2024 - $17.5 million

By that time, you're probably looking at Jones moving towards the end of his extension (if Veach goes 3 years). Thuney is probably gone because of his cap hit. Kelce will be 36 and have a cap hit of almost $20 million. Not sure if he'll just retire at that point...or how long he wants to play.

Yeah, I can't imagine you're extending Kelce at that point and Thuney is probably gone.

Money wise they could make it work.

It would be interesting to see what compensation they would want or what kind of contract he would be looking for. He only had 7.5 sacks his rookie year. Sure, he won Defensive Rookie of the Year but that isn't worth much on the field. And with the talent that Washington has on the defensive line, you would think he would have looked better.

Someone is going to be very dissapointed

They made a big push about getting younger and faster on defense, they need cap space and Clark is about to be 30. They can double their cap space by letting him go.

What is the benefit of bringing him back?

Spags loves the guy. We just had this conversation last year and everyone hated it and now look at the results? I just don’t think they’re gonna let him go yet.

Also, I don’t want this guy unless it’s a small contract on a heavily incentivized contract. He’s never played a full season. He’s only played in 12 games the last 2 years as well.

Yikes

Spags loved Sorenson and Nieman and Mathieu.

What does that have to do with anything? He's 30 and they can save alot of money letting him walk. This isnt' a hard discussion guys.

That's the type of move you explore and try to find a way to make it work.

Up to and including potentially using Orlando Brown as a trade return for them.

You want a blue chip rusher, this is an avenue to get it. Yeah, the injuries could be an issue, I don't think I'd give up multiple high picks.

You'd have him for 3 years for about 40 million dollars I believe. That's pretty good for a guy that was just believed to be on track as one of the best pass rushers in the league.

They could have literally cut him last year like Dirty Dan and Matheiu…but they didn’t. Seems like he’s one of Spags guys.

Nobody liked it when we brought him back this year and yet he’s been worth the money due to postseason play.

Maybe I’m wrong but I’ll believe it when I see it at this point

They could have cut him....sure. But they also knew that relying on Kaindoh and Herring would be a disaster.

I don't think they'll take a chance on losing their LT. That would fill the DE hole, but open the LT hole.

That’s true. But Chase Young is a brokedick. This guy is a bigger Dee Ford.he’s been hurt every year. I mean damn man. These guys don’t get healthier as time goes by.

We drafted Dee Ford knowing he had a back injury…and his back ****ed him up and he became a broke dick.

Teams like the Broncos paid Randy Gregory and Ronaldo Darby, who were both broke dicks, and yup…they turned out to continue to be broke dicks.

I get the sentiment bc Chase was highly thought of but that was 3 years ago.

He tore his ACL. It's not like he's had back issues his entire career.

He was good last year and tore his ACL in week 10. Of course he missed time.

He's also 23.

A 1st and 2nd? No way I'd offer that. I'll give them a 3rd and a bag of chips for the right to take the chance this guy will get healthy.

He tore his ACL and Patellar tendon in week 10 of 21

Am I missing another injury?

That seems about right to me. It's an interesting risk at that point.

Ok, so my 1 and a 2 is too much. Noted.

But for a 3? Shit yeah, you do that deal immediately.

How good is he, when healthy?

9 sacks over 3 years and only 1.5 the last two?

I'm not sold.

Didn't even have to click on the thread to know we were trading our first and second round picks.

Our late 2nd round pick for 3 rookie contract / franchise years of a (hopefully healthy) Chase Young? Yeah, you do that in a ****ing heartbeat. Especially when we still have a bunch of picks, albeit mostly late picks.

Our hit rate in last year's draft allows us to gamble a bit on a player of that caliber.

How good was he though? 1.5 sacks in 9 and a half games isn't first round production. It's not like he was George and had to get adjusted to the NFL.

Isn't his knee pretty ****ed?

Sacks tend to come in bunches.

But maybe he is overrated. But a 3rd for a former first overall guy like this is a good chance to get a real talent.

For a third? Yeah, of course, you take a swing on that.

For a first and a second? Oh **** no.

I wouldn't give a 2nd.

He's cheap for one year. Oh, and it's a year coming off 2 seasons where he simply couldn't get on the field.

A 3rd? Sure, why not. But other teams will give up higher 3rds than we have so why even ponder it?

Our 2nd is the last pick of the round though. You wouldn't give that for him? You'd have him for his tag year as well if you wanted, so if he comes back and is what he was as a rookie and has 12 sacks, you'd gladly pay 17 mil for that.

Then you'd have a franchise tag year or give him a new deal.

Dude can't stay healthy. NFW.

Nah.

Because you have to make the call on the 5th year option now and if he comes back and gets hurt again, you're locked into that $17 million on a broke dick since the 5th year option is guaranteed for injury.

There's a reason Washington is waffling on picking it up. They recognize that the value of that option is minimal. So you're giving a 2 for realistically one season of value.

It's a risk for sure, but with an end of the 2nd round pick paired with what this front office has been able to do with the rest of the draft, you can paper over it.

We all want a guy across from Karlaftis who's a speed guy. Well, here's a way to get a 23 year old coming off an ACL who could be that.

The guy tore his ACL in week 10 in 21. Is there another injury I'm missing?

No.

He had a pretty bad knee injury though. The ACL wasn't as bad as his patella tendon he also tore. He had to have grafting done and he didn't recover quickly, then there was some swelling and whatnot when he did return. He missed most of the year this year because of it. He should be 100% going into next season but the question really is what his 100% is at this point. Is it 90% of what he was? Or, is it 70% of what he was?

I'd absolutely take the chance but it can't be a 1st or 2nd round pick. Maybe I'd go a conditional 3rd that could turn into a 2nd in 2024 but that would be an absolute maximum.

Ok, yeah, I think I'd do that.

It's definitely a risk. But if he comes back and is what he was, man, you just set up your bookend DE's for...what 4 or 5 years?

I'm bringing this back up cause **** you guys.

2 years and 22 million for this guy if you traded a pick for him right?

Yup.

He gives you everything JuJu gives you and more.

Danielle Hunter

Any interest there in a trade?

Will never happen but Aiyuk is ascending into a top 10 WR with 2 years control I'd gladly trade the 1 for him

I think he only has 1 year of team control left on his deal. You'd have to work a new deal

THIS! NFW! Next topic please. Keep the draft picks already!

Not advantageous to them really. The guy they'd look to trade is Za'Darius Smith for space. They'd still have Hunter and DJ Wonnum to start with Patrick Jones in rotation.

If they restructure Brian O'Neill and Dalvin Cook and cut loose of Harrison Smith, Eric Kendricks, and Za'Darius Smith, they'll have about 24m in cap space to work with.

Those restructures should work fine in the future for them with Cousins being in the last year of his deal this year.

I'm led to believe Veach will draft a EDGE guy in the middle rounds and sign a quality vet for the low while bringing back Clark

Oh absolutely.

Prepare to get bitched out about suggesting that.

I agree, I think the coaching staff likes F Clark a lot more than the fans here at CP.

Oh, it's a comein' :P

I don't think it's a bad thing to trade picks for players if the money and the compensation make sense but it can't be a 1st only to have to pay the guy a top-of-market deal immediately.

D.J. Moore makes some sense because his contract is palatable. A guy like Aiyuk, if they were willing to trade him, having 2 years of team control left would make sense but the 49ers are absolutely not going to trade that guy in all likelihood.

Any trade that would involve the Chiefs 1st round pick, unless we're getting a 1st back, is pretty well off the table per Clark's wish to have one this year for the draft being in KC.

I’d send our 2 for him in a heartbeat. Cut Clark and try a younger, faster and more talented brokedick DE.

I wouldn't mind trading a 1st for Aiyuk, but if we were gonna go that route, then I would have offered a 2nd and a late round pick to the Steelers for Chase Claypool. He's an absolute stud.

I'd offer a 3rd for Young. Dudes an absolute broke dick and in 2021 he only had 2 sacks in 9 games. That's not comforting either. He's a hell of a prospect, but he can't stay on the field and the last stretch he played wasn't great.

I can’t see the commandoes letting him go. His name is too big and he’s cheap next year. But yes, all day, you have to take a risk to get premium talent. He has been injured but I’d absolutely give up the 60ish pick in the draft to get one of the best de prospects at DE in a long time that fits our system. He’s a freak. You have to take chances sometimes and this is a position of need and he’s young and cheap. No question. Go get him. I don’t understand the lack of risk taking. The last second rounder? Are you serious? That’s cheap for that talent and the contract. I’d throw in meh also!