BJ Ojulari vs Derick Hall
 

BJ Ojulari (6'3" 244, age 20) or Derick Hall (6'3" 251, age 21)

I prefer Hall but I've seen a few guys on Ojulari. I think it's relatively close.

Ojulari Stats
Hall Stats
Ojulari Highlights:

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Hall Highlights:

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Hall has more tricks in the bag right now. Think I lean that way. You've done a good job making a case for him, and the highlights back it up.

I think Hall is the safer pick, but if Ojulari is over 250, I think I'd rather take the bigger swing.

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It's very close for me though.

If you go strictly on the PFF draft value rating then Ojulari is the guy, but I like Hall more too

I'm the same. I don't really get Ojulari if I'm honest, in particular his get off and speed just don't look particularly impressive to me.

Ojulari all day.

It's an Andy Reid special, too. Get the guy who has a brother in the game. Bank on them being the same kinds of players.

Neither player is a great fit for a Spags DL but this team needs more sacks off the edge, and Ojulari 100% will get them for you, possibly by Year 1. But definitely by Year 3.

If you have them close, shouldn't you go for the younger guy?

I really like Ojulari.

But like Direkshun said, I don't know that Spags will like either of them.

To me, he's an absolutely perfect fit as the weak side DE and frankly I wouldn't even hate bringing Clark back on a (very) reasonable deal to rotate with him. I think he and George complement each other really well.

I just love that bend. And yes, he has some work to do, but that kid could be a 12 sack/yr player if you can get a little more weight on him and coach him up. There is a LOT to work with there.

The thing with the fit is that they are both really close to the same size as Frank Clark. Hell, they might be bigger than Clark is currently. I don't know if it would be an issue for Spags. That said, he and Cullen prefer some length to get up in those passing lanes when they can't get home.

As for Ojulari, just because Azeez is great doesn't mean he will be great. I don't take much out of brothers in the league. There have been plenty in the NFL and not all are both future HOFers.

I like Ojulari and think he's a good prospect. I'd have no issue with KC taking him whatsoever. I just think Hall is a little better against the run, is every bit as good of a pass rusher, and his motor is running just as hot late in the 4th as it is in the 1st quarter. I have no issue with anyone arguing the other way, just how my eyes see it.

I think I like Hall better.

Along with these 2, I think Will McDonald will be in the convo.

He was only 241 at the Senior Bowl, but I think he has the frame to put on 10-15 pounds.

He has freaskishly long arms to make up for it though. That's why I think we should at least keep our eye on him throughout the process.

And one more thing about Ojulari, dude is only 20 years old. He doesn't even turn 21 until around the draft.

He racked up 7 sacks in the SEC as a 19 year old Soph. His production dropped a little this year, but the flashes were absolutely still there.

Yeah I do like the young upside. You may have a few years till he hits his physical prime still so that would be beneficial.

Age was my tiebreaker.

Ojulari is still a baby with more projection left.

He'll absolutely be in the convo for sure. I don't think we should realistically sleep on Anudike-Uzomah either. He's a pretty twitchy edge that's a little longer like McDonald. We'll have to see where his arms measure but I bet its close to 35.

Yes, forgot about him. Those 4, along with White and Van Ness, should all be in the conversation since it's very early.

Although it doesn't sound like White and Van Ness will be in our range when it's all said and done.

Maybe that pushes Myles Murphy down to our range though.

Hall looks like the more complete player now, Ojulari seems to have better upside. Either guy would be fantastic.

Watched a lot of tape on Hall the past couple of days and he screams like a solid dependable starter. A Nick Bolton level of dependability in the edge position. Eye test tells me he is a safe and very good value pick at 31.

I respect that information.

Here's the truth, though. Both of the guys in the OP play much, much smaller than Clark. Clark plays bigger, his style is different.

It's important when we take these guys that we're swimming with the tide and not trying to remake them into a guy they're not.

Neither of these guys are Frank Clark, stylistically.

I think Ojulari is settling in as my guy in the 1st round unless a WR I like is still there.

Downs is probably the last in that tier of receivers.

I just think he can be a damn dangerous pass rusher.

Agreed on Ojulari.

You like Downs more than Flowers? Because that's how I feel about Flowers.

So, I'm reading that Byron Young from Tennessee is being ranked too low and there's alot of buzz about him. He's in this same class of guys that are 6'3" 245. Issue for him is he's 24 so he's probably not going to go in the 1st round with pretty equivalent younger guys. I'm going to keep him on the radar in the 2nd though.

Right this second, probably by a little.

WR goes 6 deep for first round candidates for me. And ultimately I'm still not sure I'd take them all ahead of Ojulari.

I just don't see a sub 250 lb. guy being our first round pick at EDGE.

We literally never do that.

These guys look like 3-4 rushbackers to me, and nothing else.

Explain it to me.

Both of these guys are listed at 250+ though.

Everybody wants speed at RDE, and those guys are typically in thst 245-260 range. Clark looked like he was somewhere in that 250-255 range this year.

I think Hall is definitely around 250-255, and if Ojulari comes in lighter than expected at the combine, he's still only 20 years old with a frame to easily put on another 10 pounds.

Where? I see Ojulari at 240ish, and Hall at 250 although both played lighter.

There's nothing official until the combine but everything from the the team site, ESPN, Wiki etc. has Ojulari at 250.

All of those also have Hall listed at 256.

Edit: Hall was officially 252 at the Senior Bowl.

Ojulari is an underclassman, so we won't get anything official until then, but I think he'll be right around 250 as well.

Yeah, I think Ojulari may weigh in around 245 but he's still young and has a projectable frame.

Ok, fair enough.

Just watching the highlight reels from both of these guys, my first reaction is that Ojulari wins around the edge with speed; and that's all I'm seeing on the reel-other than when they left him unblocked for some odd reason. Speed is good, that's cool.

Hall, on the other hand, wins with speed around the edge sometimes, sometimes with speed to power, sometimes working mis-direction off of that.

So, just an observation based on the highlight reels, from those alone I like Hall.

Hall is more turnkey, no question. And on the surface fits the scheme better sooner.

I'm operating under the belief that Clark is back next year and if so, I think you can afford to grab someone that's a little rougher around the edges but who I feel has more ceiling. Especially with the 5th year option in tow.

It's riskier than Hall but I think Ojulari could be a true blue chipper where I'm not sure I see that as much in Hall.

I'm of the opinion anymore that defense is more about having as many just good solid players who are smart and can play as a unit vs having the elite guys.

I'd love to have a real war daddy across from Karlaftis, but taking a swing there could burn you if Ojulari just doesn't develop. I dunno, kinda like Ballards' style of just keep stacking singles and doubles kinda thing.

Especially when I have what I have at HC and QB. I just need competency and I'll let my DC sort it out.

Sure - wholly defensible stance.

I just think you need complementary talents and I think Karlaftis/Ojulari are guys who's respective skill-sets dovetail so nicely.

Though I do have to point out that you're the guy who JUST said "don't you get worried about all these complementary pieces - don't you need a force multplier somewhere". Hell, it may have been in this very thread.

Pick a lane, bro.

I think you do at some point, but I think so much bleeds over from the one we have at QB......I just need competent guys.

If you can get Hall to come in and be......what......Trey Hendrickson or Bud Dupree upside wise....I'm taking that.

I'll swing at a freaky athlete that needs some seasoning later maybe.

I also am in the camp that Hall's upside is being undersold a bit. I think he will be really really good.

I've settled on Hall. I really like him.

Any chance the DE from KSU makes it to our 3rd round pick? I wouldn't mind doubling up there.

I mean, there's a chance he doesn't even make it to 31 (though he should), so no.

The Kstate DE? I thought he was a 2nd/3rd rounder.

No, he's more of a late 1st to mid 2nd depending on who you listen to. Daniel Jeremiah has him going 30 in his latest mock for example.

Really? The Uzomah kid?

Man, I'm not seeing that. I just don't see a standout area for him. Not incredibly long, not terribly quick off the ball, only okay bend, not really heavy.

I mean I guess he's a 4-3 DE, but I see him almost as a poor man's Karlaftis in a lot of ways. He's fairly strong but mostly he just looks to be a high motor guy with okay athleticism.

That looks like a late 2nd, early 3rd rounder to me.

Yeah, that seems super high to me.

Any chance Ojulari makes it to our 2nd rounder?

Nope.

Too scheme diverse. You can bulk him up a bit and use him in a 4-3 or keep him where he is and use him in a 3-4.

So he'll be on everyone's draft board.

A real slide requires someone be 2nd on a lot of boards and simply not be on several others. I think you'll only see that for DL that are specific to odd or even fronts.

I'm suddenly feeling like there are several guys in that late first to late second that have some juice at DE.

Likewise.

I think it's where we end up going. There are going to be choices we like there and I'm not sure that's the case at WR or OT.

Hyatt vs Ojulari would be an awfully tough call for me. I think I'd lean into Hyatt having an absolutely elite tool (speed) and hope I can get a reasonable facsimile to Ojulari/Hall in the 2nd.

In case of a tie, take the guy with a top 1% tool. Hyatts speed is that.

I am with you but I voted for Hall - better choice in this scenario.

I would be shocked if he went in the 1st.

I think he's gone by the mid 2nd. The bend and get off alone, but he's also refined in his plans. Sounds like he's making waves in interviews too. He looks quite different to Karlaftis to me. Not as strong but imo his bend is way better than OK.

The knock on him is really only how he's held up when kicked inside. I reckon there's a team before our 2nd pick that doesn't care.

Combine measurement:

Hall:

6'3" 254

Ojulari:

6'2" 248

I will say, I thought Ojulari at least met the Spags requirements with height and arm length, but he's an inch shorter than he was listed at LSU.

He meets the arm length requirement, but that's it.

Definitely gives me a little doubt, and I'm going to guess Hall will be higher on their board. He only doesn't meet weight, and he's just about there.

Hall-34.5 arm length
Ojulari-34.25 arm length

Good length for both guys (no homo)

Yea, the arm length, the frame, and the youth to continue growing, gives me some hope that the Chiefs will overlook Ojulari being a little small for their typical edge rushers.

Hall 4.57 40

Great time for him.

He’s impressive

Hall is my pick

He might've just narrowed the already small gap between him and Ojulari for me.

Definitely a little disappointed that Ojulari was shorter than expected and didnt participate in any of the other stuff.

4.55 is the official

That's pretty sporty.

{whistle}

Dayum.

That's gonna get some eyes on him, for sure.

That's impressive as hell.

I mean, the flip-side to Ojulari being a little shorter than expected was that he was also probably a little heavier than expected.

So instead of maybe 6'3" and 240 lbs, he ended up 6'2" and 248 lbs. Which does suggest a sturdier body type anyway. And since his arm length checked out about where you expected it to, there's a decent silver lining to be had there.

But yeah, not running bugs me a little, especially when there are so many DL just putting up bonkers figures this year. This is starting to feel like last year's LB class when there were a dozen ridiculous speed/strength prospects that could be had in the 3rd round.

I don't figure the DL will fall that far, but there's gonna be a lot of guys with some numbers that jump off the page among the defensive linemen. That has to help us a bit picking at the back of the round.