Another SB hypothetical
 

Sorry if this has already been discussed…

On the infamous holding play late in the 4th, what if Mahomes hit JuJu for a TD? If the flag is still thrown, do you accept the penalty and negate the TD? At that point would the “burn out the clock” strategy justify taking six points off the board?!?

And was Mahomes smart enough to overthrow that pass on purpose so it wasn’t possible for Andy to take the TD instead of the penalty? If he was 100% certain the play would be flagged, it’s a genius move…

Just random stuff running through my head…

Take 7 points off the board with 1:54 left in the game?

**** no you dont take that penalty. You put it in the endzone, you keep the points. Those are never guaranteed.

I'm pretty sure Mahomes DID purposefully float it so no one had a chance at it. Before the ball even hits the ground he's back up from being hit and yelling at the refs for a holding penalty

Ed, I'm afraid you've reached this stage of fandom. "What if a tiny Mahomes..."

https://i.imgur.com/dw6Qquw.jpg

Wrong.

Taking the penalty is exactly the same as Jet sliding at the 1, declining the td in favor of running the clock.

First down, run all the time out, boot your chip shot to win.

Defense had stepped on their dicks all night. Up 8, it took Hurts just over 2 minutes to score 8 points and tie.

Not giving the Eagles the ball with about a minute 40 and a timeout so Spags could trot his vaunted prevent defense out there.

The final 5 minutes of the game was executed to perfection.

I don't buy that.

The flag wasnt in the air til the ball was in the EZ. I highly doubt he purposely threw an uncatchable ball on 3rd down with 2 minutes left in the SB when you need to convert to ice the game. Hoping for a flag there, especially after not getting a worse foul earlier in the game on another 3rd down, would have been foolish.

He was going to JuJu, saw the hold, still went his way, and pointed out the hold hoping they would call it.

:thumb::thumb::thumb:

Agreed. The eagles likely would have scored again with nearly 2 minutes to play. And we pretty much know Hurts would have punched in another "sneak" from the 2 to tie the game.

Figured this might be a contested debate…

I’m on the ‘take the penalty’ side. But I can only imagine how hot of a topic this would’ve been with the media afterwards. Probably would have meant more meetings with the competition committee about rule changes…

All a moot point now, but interesting to think about. Especially since we have nothing else to think about until April…

I'd take the penalty and not think twice about it.

That's a very intriguing possibility. The penalty was definitely better than a TD there, but there's no way Andy would have been taking points off the board.

Take the penalty.

Under no circumstance do you chose to put the defense back out there if you aren't forced to.

Of course he would've taken points off the board. That's exactly what they did with the McKinnon slide.

He would've 10000% taken the penalty.

Ask the question the other way: if you're the Eagles, what would you have rather the Chiefs have done? And the answer is - very clearly - scored the TD.

I agree that he should, but I think there's still enough old school in Andy that if we score a TD, he'd decline the penalty. This would actually be a really cool question to hear somebody ask Andy someday.

Yeup.

Given that he expressly told Jet NOT to score, he clearly had in mind that a 1st down was more valuable to them at that stage of the game than a touchdown.

This is essentially the same as the other poll - would you have rather seen them score a TD than hold for the FG? Because that's exactly what it would've been.

With a guaranteed first down? Absolutely.

It's rather simple. What's more likely to happen? A missed FG from 25 yards? Or your defense stopping the Eagles from marching down the field with 1:54 and scoring at TD?

We both know the answer.

I’d take the points but a 7 point lead is risky. The Eagles could easily drive down the field and get 8, and in certain they were confident they could do so

Agree. Would love to hear the big guy’s thoughts…

Anyone saying anything other than you take the penalty is an absolute moron and doesn't understand football or statistics. As Jason Kelce said after the penalty, games over! If the roles were reversed what would you have wanted the Eagles to do???

The choice is between giving the Eagles about 1 min 45 seconds to score 7 points or about 8 seconds to score 3 points.
You gotta go with the 8 second game.

He so dejectedly said if they call that, that's game

Take the penalty.

Take the penalty and secure the win. Same as the slide. Not really that difficult

Has any HC ever taken a TD off the board in the SB? Hell, in any game?

I would take the penalty instead of the TD. Running out the clock was extremely important. The Eagles tried to let the Chiefs score a TD and McKinnon chose to slide at the 1 yard line.

No, but that's a function of the particular situation. For a team to take a TD off the board in that situation, they'd need to get both a TD and a penalty on the same play. That's hard to do.

Plenty of teams have been able to score a TD and chosen not to in order to run out the clock.

Okay. How many time outs did PHI have after the flag?

One.