He's just so humble
 

As has been previously reported, Jackson is insisting on a fully-guaranteed contract in talks with Baltimore, and the Ravens are reluctant to commit to that. A new report from Jeremy Fowler and Jamison Hensley of ESPN takes this a step further, stating that every counteroffer Jackson gave the Ravens was for more than Deshaun Watson got from the Cleveland Browns, all fully guaranteed.

In other words, Jackson had demanded over $230 million over five years from the Ravens, all of it guaranteed.

The Ravens had not even been willing to give Jackson the same contract as Watson received, and recent reports have suggested the two sides are very far apart in what they are willing to do as far as a new contract goes. The quarterback is likely to receive the franchise tag from the Ravens, but it does feel like a trade is increasingly possible as things continue to drag out.

https://thecomeback.com/nfl/ravens-l...t-demands.html

I wouldn't even care if he went to the Raiders. Our defense would **** him up.

Very curious about what teams would be interested in Lamar at that price range. Is there any offense he could step into seamlessly with his style of play?

Step aside Russell Wilson. A new albatross is arriving to a desperate NFL franchise in your division

It will be interesting to see where he goes.

Dumb as a box of ... ;)

He's hoping someone is dumb enough to pay that much, because he knows his body. It's telling him it's not gonna last too much longer. My prediction of him being a bust may just be a couple of years early.

:D

Paton salivating at adding him at RB

That’s a lot of money for a RB with a bad knee to turn down.

Long term guaranteed Elite QB sized contract with a running QB? I can see where He'd want one in case he tears up a knee and is never the same. But, only really desperate teams would offer that type of contract.

The ravens would be kind of dumb not to trade him this off season. There’s just no way they’re going to get close on any kind of deal.

It will be an overpay both picks wise and $$$. But man he would be fun to watch in Arthur Smiths offense in Atlanta

He should have taken Baltimore's offer of 130 million guaranteed money. His legs are starting to decline and his arm is nothing special. He bet on himself, but he may lose his shirt. I'm sure there's some very desperate team that'll pay him, just not what he thinks he deserves

Even with his "issues" Watson is a far better passer and QB than Jackson. Any team willing to pay Lamar that amount guaranteed is foolish. Can't blame him for trying though as this will probably be his last big contract unless he dramatically improves as a passer. He is already starting to show signs of breaking down which means he won't be the dynamic runner he is now for much longer.

Lamar Jackson SHOULD be paid more than Watson. That’s what makes Watson’s contract so great. I want Lamar to get paid big, then all the other QBs need to demand more as well. Huge, cap-crushing contracts for all!

I doubt it happens but SF would be scary with all the weapons they have and then add a running QB.

If any team gives Jackson a fully guaranteed contract, I'll laugh at them as they fail for the life of the contract. But I really don't think that he gets it. Burrow, Herbert and Hurts will all get extensions soon. Those contracts will not be fully guaranteed. Then he will have to realize that the Browns were just stupid and Watson's contract means nothing. Hurts just went to the Superbowl. If his contract isn't fully guaranteed, Lamar Jackoff has no case for his being fully guaranteed

Humility doesn’t have shit to do with it.

Jimmy Haslem and the Browns ****ed the QB market with the Watson trade.

Lamar just operating in the negotiating environment they created.

Lamar Jackson is the exact opposite type of QB you give a fully guaranteed contract to. His style of play is asking for injury which is ironically why he wants the guaranteed $ and why he wont get the $.

I cant see a single NFL team dumb enough to give him a fully guaranteed contract unless is a short one. Maybe 4 years $200MM.

Watson sucked out loud last year.

Browns were like 5th in offensive EPA under Jacoby and 27th under Deshaun.

If you are super, super good at your job, you maximize your payout for it.

This is Lamar doing what any of us would do.

Virtually none of us are Patrick Mahomes, and would forfeit like $100m over a decade.

Mahomes is the psychopath, not Lamar.

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Very true. But Watson was in a new offense and had been out of football for like a year and a half. He was a far better QB pre-issues and I would not be surprised if he was significantly better this year.

If a Lamar scandal breaks, there will be quite the trend since Gruden
I guess that will have to be after a trade

No one disagrees that he should maximize his payout, but he might also be thinking he is worth more than he is. He could and should command a nine figure contract. From all appearances he appears to be demanding more guaranteed money than Baltimore is willing to pay.

That's an interesting take.

Isn't Lamar's mom his agent? I wonder how things would be different if he had a real professional representing him?

Just makes you appreciate Mahomes so much more.

Mahomes loves the game, wants to win, wants to cement a legacy.

Lamar wants to be paid, everything else is secondary.

I can't say I blame players personally for wanting their cash over everything. It is their job and might as well be paid for it. Especially him, he is part RB so he's gonna take hits.

It just makes players like mahomes be that much more special. Reason number 500,207 why we are so lucky to have Mahomes.

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Yes. And it is wonderful.

It likely that Watson will be the better QB over the course of time, but I'm all about being here for it if he doesn't. ROFL

But it is certainly possible that Watson is done. So hilariously, would that make BOB a QB genious?

God this shit is so funny.

Is it his mom? I'd always heard he was representing himself.

I can't remember who was on Russillos podcast talking about it, but they were saying that representing yourself is pretty easy when you're trying to negotiate a contract with your current employer, but it is much more difficult if you're trying to leverage another team's offer. You need someone to call and feel shit out.

That's all IF you can deal with the idea that it feels personal when the team says, "you're not worth that".

This might be the one where betting on yourself doesn't pay.

Some of these guys have rocks in their head.

Not paying a 3% commission in exchange for an agent’s contacts, insights, and experience is asinine.

Lamar is a fool for taking this route.

Probably right. I think 3% is low. I had 10% in my head, but that might be all the way wrong. If it's only 3%, Lamar is stupid.

If you're a middle of the road guard, or something, I will listen to the idea of going without an agent. I would never sign a contract without having a lawyer look at it, but if you are a guy in a position where your value is known and largely agreed upon, maybe you look at keeping your guy's commission.

But if you're trying to set the market, you need someone with tremendous expertise to manage all the complexities. In 20 years it will be interesting to watch the documentary on this one.

Lamar might eat some shit here.

Also an underrated value of an agent is the chinese wall, so you don't have to hear about what management thinks your limitations are. It is damned hard to not take that personally.

Who was the guy that did his contract without an agent? I think Ricky Williams did, but there was some other high-profile player who signed a lowball contract that was full of incentives. How did it work out for that guy?

Richard Sherman went to Stanford so he was smart enough to negotiate his own contract with the 49ers. I remember Florio panning his deal pretty hard, but I also see in Sportac that Sherman made like $34M in 3 years with San Fran so that doesn't sound so bad.

Atlanta. They have a few good RBs, similar to the Ravens, a good Oline and Kyle Pitts. RB8 needs that TE safety blanket.

And they have a lot of cap space.

Smart mother****ers can get took too, if they don't know contract law.

IIRC that SF one was while he was on the decline, and as far as I can remember it was lauded as fair for both parties.

In a case like that, Sherman is probably fine keeping his agent's commission.

Wasn't it Russell Okung because he wanted a shitload of it in Bitcoin?

There’s quite a few players, actually.

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And Brian Waters, back in the day.

Trade him for whatever you can get for him. These running qbs don't very last long. I am sure Josh Allen is one bad but from being done as well.

Mahomes understands marketing and economics. He understands that if he takes a little less money in a sport with a salary cap that he is helping field a better overall team and has a greater chance to win multiple Super Bowls. In turn, being the winning QB of Super Bowls and a league MVP affords him the opportunity to rake in endorsement dollars.

Mahomes is a genius and Lamar is not looking at the bigger picture. Much like your whore of a mother, Lamar is only looking at the instant gratification and not playing the long game (well, she probably does enjoy the long game. wink/wink.) Maybe that is wise for a QB that is really a running back taking snaps as a QB because I don't see Lamar lasting another 5 years in this league.

Sure, they're gonna give him a fully guaranteed contract when he missed 5 games two seasons ago and missed 6 games last year. He's also been terrible in playoff games and is 1-3 in them.

So, he's had significant injuries the last 2 years. His most valuable asset is what leads to those injuries. Yeah the Ravens aren't gonna sign this dipshit long term and will trade him to some idiot team that's gonna **** their cap up and give up a **** ton of draft picks for the dude.

He's just pretty ****ed if he doesn't make bank in the next year or 2. He's been injured a lot and eventually he's not gonna be able to run as well. He's not a good passer already, but wait until teams don't have to worry about his running ability.

Some team is gonna look real dumb for signing him. Probably as dumb as the Dungver Donks look for trading and signing for Wuss. I don't think the Ravens will cave and will probably trade him and they will probably get a better haul than the Seahawks got for Wuss.

Yeah, it's such a shallow argument.

Even given Mahomes is a special breed in the sense that he wants to be the best to ever play AND is smart enough to know how to get there over the course of years and years, there are still plenty of relatively normal people who 1) understand their own value, and 2) have enough foresight to not risk years of frustration, mediocrity, added pressure, etc; so they could be "set for life times 20" instead of "set for life times 10".

And maybe Lamar only cares about the money, and the thought of playing for some shitshow franchise for years doesn't matter to him at all.

And in a general sense, yeah I'm not going to my employer tomorrow and asking for 100% more than the max value of my position, for the risk of them telling me "good luck finding someone who will pay that" and then going to a far lesser job with management stupid enough to pay it.. or suffering consequences like the best people around me leaving, and dealing with the pressure to do it all myself, and the frustration of failing to do it all myself, and so forth.

Most people are smart enough to weigh the factors, it doesn't take a Mahomes to do that.

He does represent himself, sort of. He ultimately calls the shots, but his mom does face-to-face negotiations.

I remember when A-Rod signed his insane deal with Texas and it was the top contract in baseball for like, a decade.

Every off-season the top player in free agency would try to start with the A-Rod deal and teams were like "sorry, but that deal is WAY too stupid..."

It's the only time I can recall a contract that 're-set the market' failing to do so because it was just that damn awful.

Watson's deal may be the 2nd example. Because I just gotta believe every other team in the league hears an agent say "well Deshaun got..." and just hangs up the phone. The Browns are reeruned - news at 11.

Well, to an extent we saw it when Cousins got his unprecedented deal. It did have an affect on the market but it really didn't lead to a flood of fully-guaranteed contracts. Watson's deal is certainly going to be part of the argument for any QB going forward but it remains to be seen if guys are able to truly turn that into a similar deal or in the end, they just get a bit more money on a more "normal" contract structure.

It was hilarious today on the radio listening to Jason LaCan'tfora having kittens swearing that Lamar was a top 3 QB in the league because he was a unanimous MVP in 2019. He really lost his shit when a caller pointed out that that was four years ago and Lamar's been getting worse every year since.

BUT, MVP . . . . ROFL

I'd make Jackson the highest RB1 in the league, fully guranteed.

During the latest edition of "The Lombardi Line," the former NFL general manager said Jackson told the Ravens to acquire both Odell Beckham Jr. and DeAndre Hopkins. If those alleged demands were met, he'd apparently talk about a long-term extension.

"I was told reliably by somebody who's involved that Lamar told them in a conversation, 'get Hopkins and get Beckham, and then we can talk.' The club went back to them and said look, we can't get Hopkins and Beckham. We just can't afford both, but we'll get one of them - and they got Beckham," Lombardi said.

Lombardi said a trade involving Hopkins would be complicated because he wants a raise.

That being said, Ravens fans would love to see Hopkins in Baltimore this fall.

Lamar, OBJ and Hopkins would be a nearly unstoppable combination. The Ravens opponents for the four games when all three players are healthy will really have their hands full.

Good grief if they did that to appease Jackson. Besides if that is true then I still wouldn’t do it as Jackson would only discuss a long term deal. What would probably happen is he signs his tag, hopes DHop and OBJ make him look better than he is and increase his demands next year.

I could also see the Ravens owner saying no to that to prevent Snyder who is detested by pretty much every owner from screwing over the league.

Snyder is now gone from Washington, right?

If the Ravens were to get Hopkins to go along with OBJ, then they better get a quarterback. Because their running back behind center isn't capable of taking advantage of those weapons.

Lamar going to a RB offensive coordinator maybe a good thing for him. If EB can get the most production out of Lamar he should be HC the next year.

I really dont think Lamar understands the salary cap, more for them less for you

-Missed a bunch of games last year
-2242 passing yards
-17 TD's
-7 INT's
-Demanding a ridiculous contract
-Draft is right around the corner

Verdict: Take the picks and run. BAL's window isn't going to reopen either way. The AFC is too good.

Overrated.

The fascination is baffling.

He could be the Jets' Russell Wilson after Rodgers strikes again

He’s still leveraging that MVP four years ago despite not playing even remotely close to that level since. To each their own, but any team that pays him what he wants deserves the purgatory he will put them in.

Any team that gives him that kind of guaranteed money is flat out stupid. He's not a top-tier QB any more. And to give up 2 1sts on top of that? I'm not sure even the Raiders are that nuts.

Help me to understand why Lamar Jackson SHOULDN'T set the floor at Watson's contract?

Lamar's a former MVP and didn't get caught pressuring 26 different employees to jerk him off.

Because Watson's contract is absurd.

Too many Patriots nobodies have rings, it's about the $$$

Because the Browns owner made an awful deal all the other owners should just do the same?

He absolutely should set the floor at the Watson contract. He should also realize the Browns and Broncos have their QBs, and the number of franchises with the same combination of desperation and idiotic leadership may be limited at two.