Building a new PC
 

Have a 3090 currently but am severely bottlenecked. Looking to get the best possible PC that I can build through microcenter in Kansas City. Looking for high end so like 13900k and ddr5 ram.

You have the 2 main components picked out already. I'm sure if you just went to the store there would be someone there that could run you through what they have in stock. Microcenter doesn't ship shit in from other stores so if you are looking to buy strictly from them then just go there and see what they have.

Nice timing. Microcenter is running some good mobo/CPU bundles right now. This is what I would build:

ASUS Z690-PLUS TUF Gaming WiFi DDR5 and Intel Core i9-12900K combo
$509 ($189 savings): https://www.microcenter.com/product/...herboard-combo

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5-6000 PC5-48000 CL36
$150: https://www.microcenter.com/product/...-TZ5RK_-_Black

You could also go with an i7 instead of an i9 and save $170 off the mobo/CPU bundle. If you're mostly just gaming, you don't necessarily need the extra cores.

If you don't currently have NVME storage, this would be a great time to include that as well. The speed improvement even over old SSD drives is so impressive.

build me a video editing beast fellas

got an i7 4930k with a GTX 1660 over here and it's long in the tooth

thinking something with a 3050 and 64 GB RAM...don't care if it's AMD or Intel.

Start with this: https://www.microcenter.com/product/...sktop-computer

You want to edit video, get a Mac. :D

**** both of you

8GB memory? LOL

that mother****er won't even fit the 10 TB hard drive i just bought

****. BOTH. OF. YOU. i9 SUPREMACY. PC GAMING MASTER RACE.

https://versus.com/en/apple-m2-vs-intel-core-i9-12900k

https://appleinsider.com/articles/23...re-performance

https://www.pcmag.com/news/intel-cor...-cpu-is-better

https://techjourneyman.com/blog/appl...n/#performance

Nah, in all seriousness, I know you're not looking for a Mac. That being said, the Intel has marginally better performance but is both higher in cost and lower in efficiency.

Doesn't matter. It's better. Buying that little varmint computer isn't an option. I'm stuffing an RTX 3050 and 64 GB of DDR4 in this machine.

Mac just won't allow me to do that. PUNTED!

I need about $2,800 for what I want right now and my PC is waaaay overdue.

I'm still rocking an 8th gen i5 and a 2080. :deevee:

Which likely means you are gaming along just fine. That rig should max out 1440P, and probably do fine with some games at 4K.

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that.

I play at 1440p. Depends on what we call maxing out. It purrs in the 70-80 FPS range on max settings with no RT most times. I want solid frames with RT on.

People sleep on RT, but it's a game changer to me. The difference in the overall feel is astounding.

Ray Tracing is absolutely a game changer, Mr. Pants. (2K)1440p with good ray tracing is the best available quality at the moment for just about any gaming rig. You can definitely overspend by a huge margin and get that equivalent 4K performance, but it will certainly cost you, and is generally not tuned as well for performance.

1440p should still be the current ideal sweet spot even with a new 40X0 card. And NVidia is absolutely the king at ray tracing. Equivalent AMD cards might have double the VRAM, but still can't really equally compete when it comes to RT. AMD owners will tell you that RT doesn't really matter because of this, but they are jealous liars. NVidia ****ing rules..

I'm currently replaying Quake 2 that's had an RTX remaster, and it's been surprisingly awesome. The game was originally released in 1997. But the RTX remaster makes it a completely different experience. They're remastering lots of games that currently look amazing.

Intel and NVidia is currently the best you can get...

Don’t feel bad, I was finally able to upgrade myself rather than kids recently. Wnt from 7700 and 1060 to 5600X and 3060Ti

I've got a core i5 10400, Z490-A motherboard, 32GB ram. Don't feel like upgrading those components, but really feeling the age on my GTX 1070.

Are the 3060/3070 line "good enough"?

Ryzen....... ALL THE WAY

They are great but I would honestly look for bang for buck with Radeons new lines. (3060 is the king right now)

AMD dipshit has entered the chat.

Yeah, there's just not much reason to go AMD for personal computing at this point. It's either Intel or somebody's ARM silicon, really.

I used to use AMD CPU's back in the day because they offered some features that Intel didn't support and it was always a fun challenge to see how much they could be overclocked. We still use AMD in data center applications but that's about it.

Maybe not the best thread to ask this in, but fuggit.

Had a PC die on me the other day. Was working fine, no funny sounds or smells. Then it just black screened and died. No power. No beeps. Nothing.

Figured it be the power supply or CMOS battery so i swapped both. Still nothing. Forget getting it to post, i can't even get a fan to spin. It's like it's getting no power at all even after swapping the PSU and battery.

And yes, i've tried plugging into different wall outlets/power strips.

In all my years i've never seen a computer do nothing . There's usually a fan spinning, a beep, SOMETHING. So i'm a bit miffed here.

If it's literally doing nothing, you already did the most obvious thing - replace the PSU.

It's possible that something in the mobo is causing it. For one, check your standoffs and make sure the mobo is clear of the case. A short there could cause this. Also, it's possible the power connector on the mobo is the problem.

Try the new PSU with a different mobo and see if it powers on?

It's an older gen computer, so if it ends up being a Mobo imma just replace the thing all together. I'll check the standoffs. I actually cooked my very first PC build when i was a kid because i didn't use standoffs and screwed the board right to the case...LMAO

ROFL

Hit the power button, immediately smelled like cooked mobo. Me and my friend looked at each other like, "huh. Musta got a bad Mobo". I swear i returned 3 Mobo's to Fry's that day....

Why "bottleneck" yourself with just Microcenter? Is Newegg not the place to buy comp parts anymore like it use to be? Built several from only using Newegg. Microcenter is more expensive and limited to what they have ATM.

I wouldn't do it because of the fact that you are limited to what they carry, but assuming they had everything I wanted and I lived close enough to a Microcenter, I would probably consider buying it all from them even if I spent an extra $100 or so because if anything is dead I wouldn't have to worry about return shipping and sitting on my ass for 2+ weeks for a RMA.

Microcenter is actually a great place to buy parts. Their prices are quite often better than what I can find off newegg, Amazon, etc. Their selection is huge, and outside of the Pandemic GPU Crisis, they've always had what I was looking for. I feel really fortunate to have them in town. I can spend 2hrs in there just walking around grinning like an idiot.

But seriously, it's so easy to order online, and just go in and pick up your order. If you happen to get a bad part or need another, you can have it in less than an hour.

think im gonna order a prebuilt from ava direct unless someone else has a rec for a PC maker

they built my current rig and it's always run flawlessly

I'm gonna take advantage of the 12 months no interest. It's normally how I buy every big ticket thing. Divide total cost by 11 months and just set it to autopay.

What a dim comment.

Build a computer with whatever components you like, then we'll plug in a 6700XT and a 3070 and not tell you which is driving the game and you won't be able to tell the difference as you play.

Take a look at https://pcpartpicker.com/ ... I really liked using that when I was building my PC's (which is greatly overdue again)

Yep, priced it out on Newegg and Microcenter...for an extra $150 AVADirect will assemble, test and ship the system...just not worth it to build it yourself anymore. Plus I get a warranty on the system.

Here is what I'm looking at...any alternatives I should consider?

I havent been paying much attention to the advancement in memory since I'll just be upgrading my current rig eventually instead of building a new one, but is there a reason to go with DDR4 in a system that supports DDR5?

$$

The 13th gen for Intel has gotten massively better reviews than the 12th gen, so it might be worth the extra $$$$.

I have the 3060TI and it has been great for 1440p gaming. The cost to performance ratio for the 3060TI is better than the 3060 so that may be worth considering. The TI seems to be the best card until you start getting into big $$$$$$$.

I checked out your site and the PC I want to build is almost 4500. I can build it myself for around 3800

if you're dealing with more high end components, sure

make sure you're including tax and shipping on your "build it yourself" list

No, other than being cheap for lesser performance equipment. If financially possible, you should definitely go DDR5 if your mobo supports it. The Microcenter CPU/Mobo combo I posted above is the DDR5 version. Personally, I wouldn't upgrade right now unless it's DDR5. That makes your motherboard PCIe5 compatible. Making you 100 future proof. DDR5 memory is blazing fast. And you can even overclock the memory if you want. If you're looking to upgrade right now, definitely go DDR5 and PCIe5.

You would absolutely be able to tell the difference. Sorry, but you're just wrong here. There's a reason AMD typically has double the VRAM, yet still lesser performance than comparable NVidia cards. I've had the opportunity to see a 6800XT vs a 3070 Ti in the same machine. The RTX capability is an insane game changer and NVidia is heads and tails ahead of AMD, and the only people who would argue otherwise are AMD fanboys who bought the cheap cards. NVidia RTX is simply years ahead of AMD's attempt at RTX. And that doesn't even take into consideration DLSS.

Intel and NVidia remains king. Power requirement be damned.

Totally agree.

AMD's biggest customer last year was Sony. The one AMD machine I have is my PS5.

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I'm not going to argue that raytracing isn't the future or that Nvidia doesn't do it better, because that would be a blatant lie.

To me it just comes down to would I rather spend damn near double the money to get a Nvidia card right now, or save a few hundred bucks and get something that is more than capable of getting close enough in performance to the point where I generally wont be able to tell outside of niche situations like a reflection in a glass window. For a complete degenerate nerd like that Anthony guy who eats, sleeps, and breaths computers and studies the sway pattern of tree shadows, you can tell, but for the average person just casually walking through 95% of a game... questionable.

Don't get me wrong, raytracing is clearly the future of graphical design just because of how much easier it is to build a game because designers dont have to creating lighting for every single piece of architecture they put in, but for me it's not worth the extra money, yet... and it probably wont be before the time I'm ready to replace my next GPU upgrade.

I'm certainly not an AMD hater by any means. They have come a long way in the CPU/GPU market over the last 10 years. And I certainly appreciate the market competition. But I have to admit is does annoy me when AMD fanboys try to say they're just as good at half the price. They're not. That's why they're priced significantly less while still having double the VRAM.

Is AMD acceptable for CPU/GPU gaming purposes? Absolutely, it's a perfect solution for cheap PC gaming. Is it just as good as Intel/NVidia at half the price? LMAO no. Once you experience what ray tracing is capable of, it's hard to accept anything lesser. Certainly for me anyway. And it is absolutely the future of gaming tech. The next technological step in gaming graphics technology is going to be path tracing. Guess who's already positioned to lead that race? And that's not even touching on DLSS. Which is straight black magic ****ery by NVidia. 30-50% performance increase with no visual decrease in quality. It's really quite amazing what they're doing.

I'm not going to argue GPU because I agree.

As for CPU - I'd argue that AMD is better. I've been extremely impressed with Ryzen. And Intel has had some mishaps over last couple of years with their CPU's.

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The value argument is very valid. I also think it greatly depends on the game. The difference in CyberPunk 2077 was immediate and like night and day. I also remember that being the case in Metro Exodus.

Don't talk shit when you don't know shit.

Regarding CPU.. You're wrong again. For gaming at least, Intel still dominates. Even the $289 Intel core i5-12600K beats the $550 Ryzen 9 5900X. Go ahead and check out Tom's Hardware's latest breakdown. Tom's Hardware is considered the most impartial source. Compare the blue to the red, should be easy for you:

https://i.imgur.com/lBmkaMb.png

Need another review: https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-vs-intel/

Maybe another: https://www.dexerto.com/tech/amd-vs-intel-2031041/

Intel very clearly still holds the reigns as the best gaming CPU. Your goofy ass anecdotes don't change the facts.

To be fair to AMD, the 5900x isn't anywhere near $550 any more. You can buy that for like $330 now. It's also not the best CPU for gaming that AMD offers from last gen. The 5800x3D beats it in gaming performance at around $310 or whatever it's going for these days.

Those are the 2 CPUs I'm currently debating on. I use my computer for mostly gaming and just typical everyday computing so the 5800x3D is probably the better buy for me, but I also like the idea of having a well rounded CPU like the 5900x that isn't THAT much worse for gaming and has 4 more cores for $20 more.

EDIT: Update with the release of the new gen 3D CPUs. Still not included is their 7900x3D and 7800x3D which have yet to be released but will be soon and they will slot somewhere between the 7950x3D and the 5800x3D, obviously.

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It's kind of hard to say you dont hate AMD when the first mention of those 3 letters you come out and respond with "AMD dipshit has entered the chat." Then you put up a bunch of graphs and articles that just gloss over AMD's best CPU offerings for gaming, or simply exclude them entirely, when you are specifically talking about gaming performance. You claim you aren't an AMD hater, but you certainly come off as one. Kind of weird.

I just ordered this to build a new rig... wasn't too bad of a price I think $1517 plus tax, so just under $1600.

DeepCool CC560 Mid-Tower ATX Case
Asus Prime H770-PLUS LGA 1700 ATX Motherboard
Intel i5-13600K 3.5 GHz CPU
ASUS Dual NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 V2 OC Edition GPU
DeepCool LS520 240mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler
G.Skill Aegis 16GB DDR4 3200 RAM
Corsair MP600 Pro M.2 2280 1 TB PCIe SSD
EVGA SuperNOVA 750W PSU

I have a another 1 TB Corsair SSD that'll go in with this from my other rig.

hope you got a free hooker with the price you paid LMAO

You're not touching that price with a pre-built unless it's coming with a B760 MB and a 3060 GPU and they won't be ASUS quality.

I'm surprised it wasn't more.

If I just copy paste the parts into a google search the CPU and GPU is about $1000 alone.

Great PC. Congarst!

I might jack up the PSU and RAM but certainly going to get you by. Not a bad price either.

I'm going to save my peanuts for next year. Probably upgrade this board to a z790 chipset and DDR5 at 32 GB then take this board, ram, my old video card and get another processor for my boys. But for this year, they get my old rig as is.

Microcenter having some nice combo deals this weekend. May have to pull the trigger on this.

https://www.microcenter.com/product/...herboard_Combo

DDR5 bundle for the same price. Prime mobo instead of TUF, but almost exact same specs.

https://www.microcenter.com/product/...herboard-combo

damn now this is a hell of a deal...might have to go DDR5 now

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Combo...=Combo.4538225

anyone had a computer built by microcenter before?

Building computers is like building Legos. If a reerun like me can do it, anyone can.

Clay what is wrong with you? Build your own pc.

I've built several computers. The pros do a better job with cable management, airflow, etc.

Microcenter is hiring 19 year olds to do it.

You cant put cables behind the back panel?

OUR COMPUTERZ ARE FAR MORE ADVANCED

For $150 it's worth it to pay someone to do it right without any headaches.

My PC's are always rat's nests.

Yeah, calling them professionals is like calling a Burger King fry cook a chef. Any decent computer case these days already has built-in cable management solutions, and combine that with a fully modular power supply, it's child's play. But considering who we're talking about, hardly unexpected. He'll pay the $150 beta fee...

I've literally been building computers for 20+ years. GFY.

Nobody who's been building computers for 20+ years pays Microcenter $150 to put together a machine. You're not fooling anyone. There's fewer cables than ever before, and literally any modern case has well engineered cable management built it, including affixed velcro loops and gaps in the case specifically for the exact cables you need to route. You're just being a lazy simp.

Well, yeah. I just know someone else can do it better than I can, and then I don't have to deal with it. That's kinda the point. LMAO

**** off and recommend me another POS Mac, that's what you're best at.

I'm a fan of Asus hardware. Especially the TUF line. I've had several generations of ASUS TUF hardware, and it's been rock solid for me under pretty harsh overclocked conditions. Here's my ideal TUF system that I'm in the process of putting together. I've got most of the parts already. Needing the CPU/mobo/RAM DDR5 finishing combo upgrade next, just waiting for the right price.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XBt9k9

A Mac would still be better for your intended usage. Sorry, but it's true. Surprised you don't embrace the Apple ecosystem. Seems much more your MO...

You recommended a goddamn piece of shit with 8 GB RAM ROFL

You're the biggest moron in this thread.

You fail to understand the difference in how RAM works between Intel systems and ARM systems with unified memory. You don't actually know what hardware you really should focus on for what you actually do in putting together your youtube vids. Not to mention putting it together...

Dipshit, the goddamn ramdisk I use wouldn't even play in that build.

WOULD YOU SHUT THE **** UP?

Be sure and leave a note to explain that to the Microcenter professional...

RAMDISK IS CREATED IN SOFTWARE YOU MORON

WANNA TELL ME WHERE I CAN FIT A 3060 IN YOUR LITTLE MAC POS?

**** OFF ALREADY