LNBS: This feels like we’re coiling to strike.
 

Am I just a few too many drinks in tonight, or does it seem like Veach is getting ready to take a huge swing for a stud either in the draft or trading for an elite WR or edge guy?

AJ Brown said KC tried to trade for him last offseason, so it was clearly a Tyreek thing and Veach wants an elite WR. He also knows he has a hole at DT that would be playing next to Jones and George…adding a difference maker there like a Justin Simmons or Quinnen Williams would be incredible.

I may be crazy…but I think Veach is itching to add another blue chip guy to this team.

Like…a really big swing.

Guys I can see him targeting for a trade because they become FAs next year…or their QB has a payday coming up and they can be persuaded to move a valuable piece…or a scheme change…or I’m sure some of these I’m just dreaming.

Nick Bosa
Quinnen Williams
Tristan Wirfs
Brian Burns
Justin Jefferson
Brandon Aiyuk
Montez Sweat
Jeffrey Simmons

Or maybe Veach targets some guys he wants and is willing to swing for the fences for that the other team might be willing to extract value while it’s still there like Jaylen Waddle or a Devonte Smith.

Maybe it’s not a current NFL player he’s targeting. Maybe he’s planning on making a big splash on draft night with a big trade up and that’s why the pre combine QnA was built with purely softball questions and answers.

No way 10 draft picks make this roster. He’s stacked the roster with quality starters and depth across the board. Adding quality over quantity makes a ton of sense.

Even using this years 1 and 3 and next years first to move wayyy up I bet is absolutely in play.

What way to introduce a new weapon could be better than the world champs trading up to get you in the top 10-15 picks with the draft being in KC and being able to go right to the facility and meet Mahomes, Andy, Nagy, Spags and Veach right away? Incredible to think about.

The tea leaves in free agency read that way exactly.

They'll get Hopkins and add someone crazy on the DL, whether it's a trade or moving up in the draft.

We're all in this year.

Hopefully he’s as successful as the coil strike I cinched off at Kohl’s in the Northland this morning

I definitely think veach has something brewing.

For some reason i keep coming back to michael pittman. He doesnt fit the speed characteristics, but he has elite size and has performed well in dumpster fire indy.

He is at the end of his contract and indy is rebuilding.


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I dont think it’s Hopkins. Andys philosophy doesn’t show any pattern of adding older players to his teams…but maybe Hopkins is just different.

I genuinely think we already have Chris Jones signed to a 3 year extension that will clear 17-20m in cap space…but won’t make it official until it’s strategically advantageous to do so.

Half the league has no cap space and a handful of mega bargains will be out there still after the draft and teams will have players to move during the draft we might pull the trigger on.

Buckle up because we’re just getting started.

This place is going to get its ****ing BURST back, baby!

Our QB is soooooooo good that the flip side argument would be for the clubs being approached by Veach about their star players, "why should we allow you to become EVEN MORE DOMINANT therefore we will deal our star expensive players to anyone else BUT THE CHIEFS". I can see this happening JUST BECAUSE PAT IS THAT GOOD !!

I like Pittman, but I’m not sure he has the toolbox Veach likes to go for. Pittman is a 4.5 guy.

Hill
Hardman
Toney
MVS
Skyy

4.2-low 4.4 guys

Veach wants a guy that can threaten the top of the defense while being able to exploit the underneath stuff, as well.

Que the Kadarius Toney memes

Also…a guy I can see them trading for in the next year or so?

Jameson Williams.

That may be true for our divisional and conference rival teams, but ultimately the rest of the nfl is going to do whats best for themselves. If that means parting with a player they know isnt part of their plan going forward for draft comp they will jump.


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I really hope you guys are right and I mean this sincerely BUT to my previous post, teams may avoid us just because of Pat.:shrug:

LNBS: This feels like we’re coiling to strike.
 

I agree completely.

Its just a name that i keep thinking about as available and not super high comp required that could round out the wr room here.

Also of note, juju had a mid 4.5 40 too and the chiefs pursued him two years in a row.


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Giants really didn't think getting rid of Toney was that big a deal IMO, because of the softness/injury bug and drama attitude that the Giants thought any team acquiring him would have to deal with as well. Well, 1/2 of that is true because Toney still has to prove he is not a "potato chip" with us.

I would love Jameson Williams :clap:

I don’t think Bosa or Jefferson are realistic at all. Those are the guys you keep, the same way we keep Chris Jones.

When we think about the biggest punches Veach has thrown, only the Frank Clark and Mahomes (Dorsey, yeah yeah…) fall into that bucket as far as punches “landed.” He did swing mightily at Trent Williams but that didn’t work out (thank God).

I don’t think he is too shy to be aggressive AF if is at a critical position - QB, LT, DE. I’m not so sure he makes a swing like that for a WR, though next year targeting Marvin Harrison Jr would be a WR possibly worth swinging for.

Clark is the only player Veach has used high picks and lots of cap on simultaneously. I wonder if he feels burned by that, or if he has learned to be more discerning.

I don’t know that there’s a player in this class that we go up to 10-15 for. The 3rd OT? The 4th DE? I just dunno.

You are very intuitive to think he felt like he violated the "Bellichek Rule" of going after high priced FAs. Yes it seems Frank showed up in the playoffs but over all ? I think Veach would tell us he would not do a deal like this again.

I don't think they make a major move, but I do see something like the Hopkins trade or a similar move that nobody sees coming.

I can also see them being very aggressive in the draft.

I do. He's a better version of JuJu. We dumped JuJu for a reason.

TicTockBoy may have been the reason

they signed juju for the nfl equivalent of minimum wage for a guy with his production and age. Trading for him wasn’t nessesary.

Because Mahomes has a list of WRs that have texted him.

We’re in the catbird seat, my man.

If we can send a 3rd and get a 5th back with Hopkins, and he’s being forthright about being willing to give a contract discount..I’m down with the move…but I just don’t see it as s move Andy snd Brett wanna make.

We’ll see.

Veach is playing 5D Chess with my brain. The wizard is beyond me, as he is everyone. It's truly fascinating to watch. I have no idea what this man is up to. I just know he's brilliant and we're very lucky to have him.

I think aggressive in the draft is the most likely option.

Best offenses in '18 & '22, not that those in-between were slouches. In those years they were different, the rest the NFL had to adjust. Though the offenses themselves were evolving.

I hate being winded.
-No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Madonna and big nose reinvent themselves. Not every year though

I really don't think he'll trade for any player unless it's a day 3 pick. Half of the guys in the OP would require multiple 1st round picks and big contracts and the rest would require at least a 1st and a big contract. There is always a non-zero chance but it's an extremely slim one.

I do think he could be aggressive in the draft under the right circumstances. I think that those right circumstances are a left tackle is within his comfortable range, wherever that may be in the top 20, or an offensive weapon or edge is in the mid-20s that he wants.

Taylor was careful with his words in his presser about saying that he would play wherever he's needed to help this team win, whether that be on the left or right. His remaining non-committal makes me think Veach would go up for the right price.

I think they’re going to go full NE, not put all the eggs in one basket but keep signing guys like Edwards and tranquil who are young and still ascending player. Extra chess pieces for his offensive and defensive masterminds to play with. It’s not sexy but you can’t deny we don’t have the chess masters to make it all work.

I think the big move is a draft day trade, did anyone notice that the FA’s the Chiefs sign are from teams they played last year?

And they were all playoff teams at that.

The roster is pretty solid. I don't think all the draft picks could possibly make the roster, so we probably make some type of move. I'd even be okay with trading picks for next year's draft if the premium was decent. We're in dynasty mode.

You still drinking?

Let’s hope it’s not Hopkin$

I get that, but do you think pittman is better than juju?

I do.


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The holes are being filled with (mostly) cheap FAs. We're short a proven RT (you don't give $80M to a RT), DE/DT (whatever Omenihu doesn't play), a vet WR, and a couple of RBs. We'll need about $9.8M (according to Spotrac) to sign our draft class, so that eats up PMII's restructure. The Jones extension is a mystery.

My guess Veach is going to make a big move in the draft and tell any "star WR" to kick rocks unless it's on a team friendly deal.

The Jones extension likely creates in the ballpark of $20 M in cap space. Another superstar is going to be added to this roster it is just a matter of when. OBJ, DHop, Tunsil or some other unknown.

One big move at receiver and one big move at tackle and we are in business. Fill in the holes with bargain shopping in FA and the draft.

Zack Wilson trade, then Zeke Elliott
Nobody saw it coming

Nick Bosa?!?!

Dude is in the 4th year of a 5 year rookie contract. Dude, would break the Chiefs worse than a silicon valley bank.

Feels like we are just trying to fill out the roster with quality depth and they are doing a good job at it.

I don’t expect a strike outside of a trade up in the draft.

Move up to get a LT, maybe. We are not going all in for 1 year of Mahomes prime then losr 1-2 years of his prime years rebuilding. That would be a crime and a waste. As long as Mahomes is upright, we can win a SB.

I wouldn't consider Dhop a big 'splash'. He'd be here 2 years at the most. I'd still applaud the deal though.

Remember the Veach dogma......you're big splash at WR goes against his formula for consistently winning year after year.

Elite QB
Great O-Line
JAG WR'S & RB'S
Solid Defense

If we signed Jefferson my heart would explode.

People still think they’re going to trade up and take a tackle. Taylor is going to be the LT.

The numbers alone he would put up with Mahomes would put him in the HOF in a few years

Fun to day dream of Mahomes have a true #1 outside WR with it all.

I don’t get the Pittman love. He’s basically all they have outside Alec pierce. Why ship him out while Ballard trying to save his job?

Why are you and others keep pining for an elite WR? Yeah it was cool watching Hill/Mahomes make magic but those days are gone. That was in the rookie contract era.

We are now in his prime. Every year we will have a chance at a SB. We dont need to mortgage the future for a shot at a SB.

I think you could hedge it a bit and not take a huge swing

See if the commanders would send you chase young

He would fit with the young defense

You are telling me.... AS A FAN.... You wouldn't want to see Mahomes with a Megatron/Rice/TO/Moss level WR..... (Hill didn't have the Size or perfect hands)

They JUST CAN'T LET IT GO.

:shake:

Thankfully for your family, your heart will remain in good condition. There is a 0.00 chance Justin Jefferson is a Chief.

I'm not in favor of rebuilding and wasting years during Mahomes prime.

Within 2 years that WR is going to want to be paid. We also have to pay or let go Jones, Creed, Trey, Tooney and Bolton. Do the math.

Bosa and Jefferson?


ROFL

Ok don't side step the question.... AS A FAN... WOULD YOU IN A PERFECT WORLD LIKE TO SEE MAHOMES WITH A WR OF THAT CALIBER.....

Gonna hit like crack when Za’Darius Smith gets cut from the Vikings and we sign him in the summer for the Carlos Dunlap contract LMAO

This WR group isn’t complete. It’s obvious. Who knows exactly what the plan is but there’s going to be new faces. They’re not done - free agency just freaking started.

Oh you know how this place gets. Guys treat it like a message board version of Madden. Justin Jefferson? Nick Bosa? The Lions trading us Jameson Williams for some reason next season? It’s just fanboy babble.

In Veach we trust.....

Sure. You bet.

We don't live in a perfect world.

When you say as much, they call you 'arrogant'.

We see a lot of “Veach does this…” and “so-and-so isn’t the type Veach likes” recently. Remember that less than a year ago these same people were saying that Veach views CB as somewhat of an afterthought and doesn’t use high picks on them or commit big free agent dollars on them. These people would’ve dismissed any notion of Veach trading up in the 1st round to grab an undersized (based on what Veach likes) CB, which ended up being a great move.

Moral to the story - You don’t know what Veach is going to do, I don’t know what Veach is going to do, and the rest of the GMs in the league don’t know what Veach is going to do. All anyone knows is that based on his track record, there’s a high probability of it being an intelligent move for our favorite team. Just because Veach hasn’t done something yet doesn’t mean he’s never going to do it if the right circumstances play out.

Yep.

Sure.

But spending money he doesn't have when he has the GOAT QB at 28 years old would not be smart. And one thing Veach has proven, is that he's very, very smart. You don't want to have to go through seasons like the Rams last year and this year to get one ring when you can contend for EVERY ring.

Preach

I think the Vikings would trade literally anyone, the coach, the QB, Prince's corpse


before they'd trade Jefferson. lol

Veach tried to trade for AJ Brown last offseason and got outbid by Philly.

He’s absolutely looking to add a stud WR.

Ok.

We don’t know what they offered. All we know is that Brown said the Chiefs were one of the teams at the end.

Totally. Jefferson is "their Mahomes".;)

Well we do know they were one of the final 2 teams, so they made a significant offer and the winning offer was pick 18 AND 101.

KC had to offer something in that ball parks value for him. Maybe 2 firsts.

We’ve been snooping our nose deep on the WR market for 2 years now and let juju leave. Why do people continue to insist that Reid or veach are satisfied with our WRs when it seems clear they’re looking not just for warm bodies, but for good WRs even if they cost a lot. I agree that Justin Jefferson is out of our range but this nonsense that we can’t afford a good WR and that we last years offense was anything but a rebuild blueprint (despite our successes.) at this point it’s just head in the sand to act like the chiefs have any intent of surrounding mahomes with lesser receivers he can elevate. They are trying but thankfully are not gonna panic

There is no guarantee of anything 5 years from now. Andy Reid and kelce are two massive pieces to that puzzle. We don’t need to save money now so Reid’s replacement can spend it later. Of course we need to be cap conscious but there is nothing wrong with getting aggressive while the iron is hot. Team like the saints have been doing this on the extremes for YEARS and they’re still spending like drunken sailors.

Wait...what?

If the winning offer was 18 and 101, and we offered two 1st round picks....why wouldn't the Titans have taken that?

More than likely, if we did offer anything, it was a 1st and a 3rd which were all lower than the Eagles. Which would have been 29 and either 94 or 103.

LNBS: This feels like we’re coiling to strike.
 

Yeah right after we sign Burrow to play backup qb.


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Probably because they had a GM on the hot seat who need to hit on players NOW.

Ok.

Well, we'll find out soon enough.

I'm sorry but I see no way in which a team would turn down 2 1st round picks over a 1st and a 3rd just because they're in the same draft.

If there is one they like, OT, Edge, DT that fell to 22 of later, Veach will move...

They’re more likely to take a RT prospect in the middle rounds. They didn’t shell out $80M to trade up in the draft.

Maybe part of why he got fired? Not to mention he was moving AJ Brown anyway.

If I remember right, and I could be wrong, Vrabel didn't want to trade Brown. He wanted to pay him.

Literally the only way that I see them starting Taylor at RT is if one of the top guys fall into striking range. They aren't trading way up for a LT. The contract and the way that everyone is talking shows that they firmly believe that Taylor can make that switch.

Yep. I think the chances of Taylor playing RT are remote at best.

I don’t trust Niang to stay healthy. Could really see them drafting a RT in rd 1 if one is there.

I’m very confident they’re drafting a Tackle in the first 4 rds. I’d damn near call it a lock

For sure...in a perfect world all of us discerning, manly and well hung CP denizens would be married to or dating Supermodels. 😀

(Bad attempt at cross thread humor...)