Our current WR costs.
 

2023 Kansas City Chiefs Wide Receiver Cap Hit Rankings
PLAYER
POS
CAP HIT
1
Marquez Valdes-Scantling
KC
WR $11,000,000
2
Kadarius Toney
KC
WR $1,907,228
3
Skyy Moore
KC
WR $1,466,022
4
John Ross
KC
WR $940,000
Ihmir Smith-Marsette
KC
WR $940,000
6
Cornell Powell
KC
WR $870,000
7
Jerrion Ealy
KC
WR $750,000
Ty Fryfogle
KC
WR $750,000
Justyn Ross
KC
WR $750,000

To MVS


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Less than $20mm a year for ALL of them.

That's WRs on a shoestring budget for sure

Why

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lSO6Jdb4ITE

Imagine if that was the WR room for BUF/CIN/MIA/JAX right now.

Better defense, better Patrick

Yeah because he did nothing to contribute to s Superbowl. Morons...

I'm not sure WR is the position we want to go bargain basement on.

We need another quality guy

Is Ealy a WR now?

Did he play in the Super Bowl? Not sure didnt see him catch a ball or get open. MVS is not a consistent performer. He is overpaid at 11M per but we dont have any other options so we have to keep him at this point. Veach isnt going to go into next year with the plan to have MVS your #1 WR. Many of you homers think our WR corps are perfect as is and the Ross brothers will both have 1k+ seasons and thar MVS is all we need. Veach has something up his sleeve for the draft or a blockbuster trade.

I’m accepting that we aren’t making a move for a vet wide receiver.

If we crush the draft by adding two quality receivers, we’ve really set the position up nicely for at least a few seasons. Like we did with the interior OL two years ago and the secondary last year.

Could be really exciting, but it’s going to make me uncomfortable until it happens.

MVS can consistently stretch the field even if it doesn't show up in his stats.

I think he earns his cap hit.

But yeah, I would rather not have to rely on Toney staying healthy and Skyy taking off (although I hope those happen).

Lol, you think we're going to draft TWO quality highly productive WRs in this one draft? Is there an example of anything like that in Andy's/Veach's history? I mean, even going back to Andy's days in PHI is there any history of that happening? That's probably a bigger reach than somehow trading for DHop.

I used “if” and that’s exactly why it makes me nervous.

Yes, but KC needs WR help this year. Anything after the first round is iffy as far as helping this year and even a WR at the end of the first is no guarantee that they would contribute much the first year.

All I know is the list of free agent wide receivers is getting thin. If we're eyeing a vet out there, it has to be someone we're going to trade for at this point, right?

I have no idea who half of them are.

All I see are a bunch of clutch Super Bowl champion WRs

I don’t disagree. I wouldn’t have the balls to rely on the draft, but I get why Veach may see that as the best route. Especially, when coming off of a Super Bowl win.

It looks that way to me, but I have to admit that I'm not terribly familiar with the remaining FA WRs either. And of course, Odell is still available. If I had to guess, Veach/Andy are taking a serious stare at both of them, trying to decide which one is the better risk/fit.

Just some info on the lesser known WRs on the roster for those of us that need it.


John Ross - 27 yo 5’11” 190 lbs - 2017 1st Round pick by the Bengals. Combine 40 time of 4.22. NFL Stats with Bengals & Giants 62 Rec 957 Yds 11 TDs

Ihmir Smith-Marsette - 23 yo 6’1” 185 lbs - 2021 5th round selection of the Vikings. Combine 40 time of 4.42. NFL stats with Vikings and Bears 6 Rec 131 Yds 2 TDs

Jerrion Ealy - 22 yo 5’8” 187 lbs - 2022 UDFA (Chiefs) - Combine 40 time 4.52

Ty Fryfogle - 24 yo 6’1 205 lbs - 2022 UDFA (Cowboys) - Combine 40 time 4.53

Justyn Ross - 23 yo 6’4” 205 lbs - 2022 UDFA (Chiefs) - Combine 40 time 4.64

Cornell Powell - 25 yo 6’ 204 lbs - 2021 5th round selection by the Chiefs. Combine 40 yard time 4.53

The only other option I can think of, is maybe Veach is expecting some surprising camp cuts that we can go after?

I would imagine Justyn Ross' 40 time is faster than that when healthy

So basically we're shooting blanks with these guys.

Powell probably. I’d like to see what shakes out with the others. Three may be a gem or two in there.

We're still a month away, so it's very possible even likely that some more WRs will somehow become available before then, because some teams will decide they need the cap space/draft capital or whatever. At least I would think so?

Yeah. His combine 40 time is nearly identical to Noah Gray's.

John Ross has never been able to stay healthy.

Ealy is too short and not fast enough. Not sure why we ever picked him up. Don't remember anything about him; he just was on the team one day.

The rest of them? Maybe there's one in there that will be more than camp fodder. Wouldn't count on it though.

I've given up on Powell ever doing anything serious, he's on the practice squad heading into year 3... I was overly optimistic about a fifth rounder because he looks the part of a physical player

Yeah imagine if Noah had these highlights.


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If varch wanted any of the free agents we’d have them by now. He isn’t sweating it so I’m not either.

John Ross -

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Ihmir Smith-Marsette -

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Jerrion Ealy -

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Ty Fryfogle -

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Justyn Ross -

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I don't think that is accurate - while he has been injured - he has produced numbers just been out of favor with Marvin lewis and had Daniel Jones et al throwing to him.

This! I was hoping Powell would have made it. He looked good in college, but can’t seem to get on the field here.

Ty Fryfogle? yeah I'm out :LOL:

The OP's post tells us what?? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! All the players listed (except MVS) are on their 1st contract. Of course the cost is low. Do you think Veach should just tear up their contracts and give them all raises? Would that make them more formidable?? Huge contracts do not equate to success. Give it a ****ing rest.

Veach will provide.

He sure had a lot of hype behind him for a fifth round guy, but yeah if he was ever gonna break out even just a little bit... seems it would've happened by now

The hype was him kicking ass before they put the pads on and then never a thing again. He's just too slow.

:shrug:

Just going off memory here, but didn't he kinda light it up his senior year at Clemson?

But yeah, it seems he's too much of a Slowfoot McGee

Its the name dude, I just can't do it :D

ISM will be an interesting one to watch , i know some Vikings fans were unhappy he got let go.

I think Ihmir Smith-Marsette is going to be the next Daurice Fountain everybody fomdges over. He kind of turned into that for the Vikings until they cut him for draft bust Jalen Reagor

You guys do understand that in order to actually develop your young players, you kind of need to play them, right?

We can panic all we want, because we haven't watched every practice and sat in every meeting room. We don't know where these guys are mentally (Skyy) or physically (Toney).

but if Veach and Reid aren't worried, and they don't seem to be, maybe we ought to trust the guys that brought us two SB wins.

Just sayin'.

Fryfogle...jfc this place

Still fully expecting a trade for a vet at this point. Maybe DHop, maybe someone off the radar, but someone.

I can't break away from feeling we'll have a "name" receiver to go along with a first or second round pick receiver when we open camp in St. Joe.

Sir, I’m going to need you to stop underreacting.

Hell, 1st rounders are iffy historically to make an impact in their first year or ever.

I think John Ross can fulfill the jet sweep Mecole role in the offense

I'm not sure it'll be a "name", but we'll have another vet.

Moore came from a smaller school and had very little time to acclimate to the NFL level of competition. He got in the doghouse early for punt returns, but started proving his worth towards the end of the season. Toney may have had injury problems early in his career, but what's to say an offseason training program with our staff hasn't improved his chances? Justyn Ross had a pretty nice time at Clemson, just some bad luck.

We have the draft (I'll bet even Andy will play a rookie if he shines in camp), a lot of FA time left, and there will always be surprise cuts. It's not the time to panic.

Big difference between someone playing great and someone being great. MVS had a really good SB run. He played better than I thought he could. It was a career year in my opinion.

That said I don't expect him to top it anymore than I would expect Hardman to. I'm appreciative but it is what it is...

Just because Toney is 100% healthy at this moment and KC can look at him up close means very little as to whether he can play a full season including playoffs while staying reasonably healthy.

Maybe they have an inside reason to be optimistic on Skyy. I hope so. I spent last off season predicting he would be over drafted in fantasy leagues his freshman year but under drafted his sophomore year.

But second year breakout candidates usually finish up stronger than he did.

And how do you know Veach and Reid aren't worried? Sure, they didn't resign some WRs they could have... But maybe some other plan fell through and in hindsight that was a mistake and they are stressed out.

Would you expect them to come out and say so?

What's our cap space at this point? $10M?

Are we trying to copy the Patriots? Except Welker and Edelman were pretty good, despite being shorter white guys.

Let's hope not.

Good artists copy, great artists steal.

They told us the plan back during combine week. You guys are the ones insisting that can't possibly be the plan.

And remember, it took Wes Welker about two full seasons to become a regular starter that was worth anything. Edelman took four years to amount to anything.

And at the end of the day, both were just slot possession WRs. They moved the chains and that's about it.

I'm sure they bring back JWat and add a high pick, but I don't think a lot of you guys are going to be happy. Until late September, when the Chiefs are rolling again.

It's not. I mean, good on you for believing, but there's just no way Andy rolls into 2023 with MVS, Toney and Skyy as the 'returning vets' and backing them up with a couple mid-round drafted WRs and the dregs we currently have in the likes of Marsette, Powell and the Ross brothers. No team in the NFL would do that.

And if they were, why not then re-sign JuJu or Hardman, or pick up the likes of Adam Thielen on the cheap? Why bother with creating all the cap space? Why touch Pat's deal, which is supposed to be a "only-break-glass in case of emergency" option?

Answer: Veach is quietly planning on bringing in a veteran WR, either along the lines of a Corey Davis type, or he's going big game hunting (Odell/DeHop).

It's really the only play that makes realistic sense at this point.

Late September for everything to be rolling in Chief's land?

I'm gonna' take the over on that.

I must admit I wonder what our contingency plan is in the event of wide receiver injuries.

They didn't really create a 'ton of cap-space'.

They've got like $10m. What'll it cost to sign the draft picks again?

No, they probably have JWat on hold, while they're looking around for a bigger bodied guy with some upside. I thought Callaway would be a good fit.

They didn't clear enough for the big names you guys are all hot and bothered for.

If THAT was the plan, they'd have hit the Mahomes piggy bank harder and the deal would've been done.

You guys are just not facing reality.

Andy Reid is expecting Skyy and Toney to make big strides. Period.

I hope he's right; not just as a fan, but as an armchair GM it sure makes the next three or four years look like a golden ticket.

Not disputing that we need to add some talent at the WR position but keep in mind the Chiefs are cheating the system right now. Our #1 Receiver is our TE and top TE are much cheaper than top WR's.

Currently, we don't have one.

I love Toney, obviously, but the reality is that in two seasons he's played in just 19 regular season games. Out of a possible 34.

John Ross, our late season pickup from CIN who at least has played in the NFL, has played in just 44% of his total possible games.

After that, we got pretty much nothing.

They're either going to bring JWat back or sign a guy that you're going to have to go Google real quick to see who he is.

And they'll draft a guy.

Toney, Moore, MVS. That's three. There are two spots open, three max if one of them plays a lot of special teams.

I never said a 'ton of cap space.' I said, "all that cap space."

And I was told that we need less than $3M to take care of the draft class. And we haven't seen how much Veach is going to get restructuring CJ's deal. Or Kelce's.

And again, take that list of WRs above and trade them for any WR room in the league. Does that look right to you? No NFL team is going into a season with that room. And certainly no team would bank on those top three WRs to carry the team to a SB. It's not "fungible."

Pretty sure it's a lot more than $3m for the draft class.

In fact, it's just over...wait for it...$10 million dollars.

What do you know?

https://overthecap.com/draft

Cool, give me your season record prediction right now. This will be fun.

I like Justin, I actually really do. But let's be serious. He played in 17 games and barely out-produced Hardman in yards. Like 16 yards. He caught just two TDs (Mecole caught 4 in half as many games), and somehow caught fewer 1st downs than Hardman with twice as many games. Justin isn't going to suddenly blossom into a solid producer. He may well end up being just a really good ST guy.

Toney's only played in 55% of his games due to nagging leg injuries in two seasons.

Skyy hasn't shown anything that suggest he's going to become a WR2. Yet.

No one else in the WR room has a leg to stand on. In some cases, literally.



Logic suggests that Veach is definitely going to get a veteran WR somehow.

We good:D

Really? Either Welker or Edelman would wreck shop in our offense.

Spotrac has us at a little over $6.1M. Over the cap has us at $5.168M. Neither has factored in the Bell and Nnadi contracts. We have 10 draft picks, each will be guaranteed (assuming they make the team) $705K. That's $7.05M for those without a calculator. Then there are signing bonuses to be factored in.

Chris Clark (think that's the guy's name on Locked on Chiefs) said that the Chiefs don't have to come up with all of that money all at once. Only about half needs to be available at first. His projection was about $3M.

Well sure. But for whatever reason it took both of them years to get right in NE. No idea why, but obviously they didn't hit the ground running. And both turned out to be very high-level players, so it wasn't for lack of brains or ability.

Thx. Just wanted to know if the amount had changed in the last few days.:thumb:

See, you're trying to base your entire argument on past production-so much, in fact, that you're willing to pay a premium for it on the open market.

But it's a false premise.

IF Veach and Reid don't go out and sign a Dhop or Beckham, it's because they feel really good about the capabilities they have in the room. They're projecting production because it's literally their job to do so.

When you're paying an elite QB, and you're drafting around 30 every year, you have to.

You look at Moore and say- It's insane to think he can go from 22 catches to 80! That's nuts!

But it's not really. Andy Reid is saying as much. Veach has said as much. What they've done in free agency doesn't say that they're all that concerned.

To grow your young talent, you have to actually play them. Look at Christian Watson. Stunk up the first half of the season, was a TD machine in the second half. We went slower with Moore because, you know, we were actually trying to win a Super Bowl. But if Andy's saying he expects Moore and Toney to play bigger roles, then that's what they're planning on doing.

They'll sign an insurance policy, and they'll draft a WR. I imagine the only reason they haven't signed Watson back yet is because they're looking at a couple of options that might have more upside. But they're not going to be #1WR types.

If they were doing that, they'd have cleared a lot more cap space, and it would be done already.

We're growing our own here, boys. It's not going to look comforting on paper before the games start, but if Andy's alright with it, we ought to have a little faith.

I've always said that we're probably not getting DHop. I just don't like OBJ. My theory has always been some possession WR (hopefully more dynamic than JuJu).

But the problem with your argument is that you expect Toney to play 17 games. And you expect Skyy to improve his production rate by a factor of 4. That's about 120 targets to get to 80 catches. When's the last time we saw that happen? Not just in KC, I mean ever? Never mind that you can't compare him to C. Watson. The guy's 6'5" and runs like a deer. Skyy is neither.

Who are we playing? I haven't seen the 2023 schedule yet.

This is an inaccurate statement.

While it did take Edelman a few years to get up to speed as 7th round pick by the Pats in 2009, Welker had proven himself a solid WR with Miami. Pats traded for him and he IMMEDIATELY hit the ground running with 3 straight 100 reception, 1000 yard seasons in his first 3 years with New England.

Don’t make blanket statements if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

This seems to imply that Welker wasn't all that in MIA.
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...W/WelkWe00.htm

If Mahomes, Kelce, Toney, and Chris Jones stay healthy and Taylor makes a fairly good transition to LT...

They will once again have home field for the playoffs...