Trade Idea: Rams WR Allen Robinson to Patrick Mahomes' Chiefs
 

https://www.si.com/nfl/rams/.amp/new...atrick-mahomes

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sean McVay today, on the Rams giving WR Allen Robinson permission to seek a trade: &quot;Clear communication. Allen is a great person and he&#39;s been a great player for a long time. You talk to him and you say, &#39;this is a possibility that we&#39;re exploring, that we might move you. But</p>&mdash; Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) <a href="https://twitter.com/JourdanRodrigue/status/1640844153813860352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">if we don&#39;t, I want you to know that I&#39;m going to pour everything I have into you as a player and try to reach your highest potential, make sure it&#39;s an enjoyable experience where you love coming into work.&#39; That&#39;s exactly where we&#39;ve left it. I don&#39;t think it&#39;s uncomfortable</p>&mdash; Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) <a href="https://twitter.com/JourdanRodrigue/status/1640844155030233088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

*looks at Robinson's contract*

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.a65cffa5...pid=ImgRaw&r=0

I was all about Robinson two years ago? last offseason? But now, with that contract? Eh.....what are we talking about, here? A fifth? Fourth?

To try and put a positive spin on it - Randy Moss was traded to the Pats from the Raiders for a fourth round pick, so maybe it has the potential to work?


DISCLAIMER: Allen RobinsonII is not and will never be Randy Moss

A totally amazing player.....in 2015

Ideas like that only come from tranq users. Hopefully that idea dies as soon as the users do.

Contract looks pretty good to me if we want a cheap bandaid. I believe LAR already paid his roster bonus. And they’ve paid out his signing bonus. So it’d be $10m this year and $16m next year. Which we can void if Robinson sucks this year or if we find a young replacement.

if you need to pull the fire alarm i guess

Counter offer: Straight swap, Cooper Kupp for Clyde.

Get this to Verch ASAP.

That would help. I didn't look at the details of his deal, just the average of his deal

Conditional 7th or wait for him to be released.

You sell out to win a SB. You knew there’d be pain selling out for a one year run. At least you got a SB trophy. Take your pain.

Robinson for a 1st? WTF?

So they want *adjusts glasses* another pick after 150?

The perfect deal. It leaves the chiefs wanting for a top receiver still, and the rams still wanting a top pick.

**** that.

Too old, too expensive.

I doubt the validity of this.

It’s getting harder to Belize the internet with every passing day.

My wet dreams of pairing Allen Robinson with Tyreek Hill a few years ago are well-documented on ChiefsPlanet, but that dude is like a shot fighter at this point. Punch drunk. Nothing left. His game fell right off a cliff.

Cedric Wilson also being theorized as available

Veach chuckles:LOL:

There’s a big difference between a rumor and a guy throwing random potential trades at a wall that he thinks might make sense to justify his existence as an online journalist.

This is the latter and he makes that clear. There’s nothing about this that deserves the characterization of “rumor.” Thread title is unnecessarily misleading.

Not convinced 2023 Allan Robinson is significantly better than say, Justin Watson. He is, however, significantly more expensive. Pass.

I think there’s a very good chance he gets moved. For sure it’s a rumor to suspect any team is interested in him yet.

There’s still a surprising amount of offseason left. You expect guys like jeudy, tee Higgins, Keenan Allen, mike Williams, DHop to move. We still have some mega mega qb contracts that haven’t hit yet.

I’m assuming the Rams would pay part of the ‘23 salary and KC would restructure the rest of his deal. May not be a terrible plan.

This is NOT thread worthy.

I don't see why not. It's a fact that we're completely clueless as to which JAG WR "reclamation project" Veach is going to sign to replace JuJu at this point. AR is as likely as any.

Robinson aNd nagy had a great relationship in Chicago right?


Right?


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This was some random opinion-piece article on Fanside nothing more. There’s no “smoke” here whatsoever and this isn’t worthy of its own thread.

I see the internet bandwidth police have popped up again....

Here is the other stuff from the Bleacher source

Thread title is title of article :shrug:

No he's not.

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Sure he is. He's basically Sammy 2.0. Well, close enough anyway.

That's a pretty terrible defense. Lots of stuff on the internet is nonsensical clickbait and it doesn't mean you need to fall for that, let alone perpetuate that by re-posting it elsewhere with the same title.

No, you don't expect guys like Higgins, Allen, and Williams to move. That's pretty much already been established this offseason.

I don't think it's a stretch to say there's a good chance AR might be moved after they traded away Jalen Ramsey. The Rams are in full re-build mode as best as they can with a limited number of picks. AR was a massssssive disappointment last season not because of the QB's play but because of his own limitations. The idea that the Chiefs are going to trade anything for a guy who looks clearly washed up and **has a very well-publicized poor history with our OC** is fairly comical.

I'd rather go into next season with our current WR corps than give up much of anything of value for AR, and I'd be surprised if Veach sees it much different. Hence, this speculation is dumb.

Fact: The Rams have given Robinson permission to seek a trade
Fact: Chiefs are interested in trading for a veteran receiver
Fact: Chiefs have been rumored to be feeling around the league for many WR's (Ayuk, DeHop, etc)

Just because you don't "like" the article. You can feel free to not open the thread yes?

Yes, but I opened the thread because it was expressed that there was a rumor that the Chiefs are interested in him. And there's no evidence of that in the article you posted.

Not at that price

Wait...you are looking for credibility to a rumor? Shall I remind you what the definition of a rumor is?

I think they’re ultimately going to sign Beckham. There seems to be legit interest there, and I think they’re just waiting for the price to come down. Which it will. Bet they eventually sign him for around 7-8 mil, with incentives for a few mil more.

I agree - I don't think Veach wants to part with his draft picks - especially with as well as we have been drafting - but I could also see him pulling the trigger on a deal that makes another team eat some salary and a swap of draft picks

This isn't even that. This is a guy speculating about a potential landing spot. How hard is that to understand?

If I suggested that the Chiefs could trade Mahomes this offseason and started a thread about it, would that make it a "rumor" according to your definition?

This would be meaningful if it suggested that the Chiefs had interest in AR. Then it would be a "rumor." You can't seriously not understand the difference.

The difference is that the Chiefs have been exploring trade options with other teams for WR's - that single thread makes it more plausible than a "story' about the Chiefs wanting to trade Patrick - that is the difference.

I'm sorry your day was ruined.

Hot rumor, we're trading Sneed for D'Hop.*



*I heard it on CP

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Why wouldn't they just cut him? He's a broke dick at this point noway anyone gives a pick for him

No idea what his dead cap number is if they cut him, but I bet it's more than they're willing to pay.

Just looked it up according to Over the Cap:

18 mil cap hit
26.45 dead money

LMAO what an awful contract. McVay is going to be doing play by play after next season

Ewww

Haha, shiiiiit.

Give me OBJ or DHop all day every day over that mess.

I'm curious what Dhop gets unless it's a draft night trade which could happen that trade compensation has to go waaaay down after the draft. As for OBJ I don't see how any team commits to him for longer than 1 year.

Man it's such a shame the Rams won that 1 fluke title. They really are the definition of a poorly ran front office another example according to Over the Cap:

Stafford this year 20 mil cap hit & 111 mil cap. Next year 49.5 mil cap hit & 91.5 dead cap

This article goes into alot of detail about the awful deals they have:

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/lis...-2023-players/

This proposed trade is stupid. Its somening Denver would do, not KC.

7th plus they eat 90% of his salary.

Nope lmao

I like that a lot. Definitely a fair and balanced trade.

I was really hoping that this was the end of the McVay era. The year before they brag about "**** them picks." Thinking Stafford is a world-beater, that OBJ was a difference maker, thinking that their model was the new best thing in sports. Then Aaron Donald is injured, contemplates retirement unless they pay him directly after the Super Bowl. They have to cut Wagner and trade Ramsey, McVay goes on a pouty retreat to wonder where it all went wrong, now for some reason he's coming back out of the shadows with significantly less talent and expecting people to believe he's a good coach again. Man we would've beaten the ever loving shit out of that team if we hadn't lost to Cincy, pisses me off still.

Eh - $10 million for a guy who's been hurt and/or ineffective the last 2 seasons (as he's entered his 30s) doesn't qualify as a 'cheap bandaid', IMO.

That's a desperation play. And with very little upside because you're not going to write that guy's $5 million roster bonus check next season so he's really just a 1 year deal at $10 million.

And he looked DONE last season after somehow looking as bad/worse the season before.

Nah - that's gonna need to be a deal where they bonus out that base salary over the remaining 4 years (2 void) on his deal to get that salary down near $5 million this season at worst. And is $5 million in cap savings worth a 6th round pick for the Rams? Probably not - ol' Les and his '**** dem picks' approach wouldn't seem to care that much about a 3rd day pick.

There have been a slew of better gambles to make in FA at lower costs and we haven't made them. This one seems very unlikely absent some additional maneuvering by the Rams.

In fairness, no matter what LA does, they absorb a massive chunk of his cap hit. The roster bonus has already been paid so it's on their cap as is the pro-rated bonus.

As it stands, he'd come here with $10 million in cap charges and zero in dead money for 2024.

You're not supposed to have conversations about things that aren't based in any true "rumor mill" fashion.

Just saying...

Yeah it would depend on if he’s cooked. I didn’t see enough of him to know. I thought from the little I saw he’s got a little left but was used poorly. I am just saying if you think a guy like this has any gas left in the tank this kind of contract isn’t a bad one. If the goal is to aggresssively develop a WR1 or maybe hold out into true WR1s like aiyuk become available either way it seems like our best immediate solution is a bandaid.

And a 2-year deal worth $10m with a conditional second year ain’t too shabby. I thought the juju deal last year was a good one too. Where we tripped up (and I’m hoping I’m wrong) was not aggressively drafting a WR1. I just don’t think skyy has that ceiling. As long as the goal is to get rid of these bandaids sooner vs later, it’s not a bad strategy to overpay a little. Of course that completely depends on if the guy is too cooked to contribute anymore.

Still way too much for a guy who looks completely washed. No thank you.

Is he 30 this year? I thought he just turned 29 - and was he "done" because the Rams were garbage or "done" as in Josh Gordon status?

To be fair, their best WR (Kupp) only had ~800 yards receiving and 6 TDs - not exactly a good showing for their offense.

Total offensive output passing ~3500 yards 16 TDs

Robinson averaged 34yds per game receiving (annualized 578yds).

Kupp averaged 90yds per game receiving (annualized 1,530yds).

Kupp’s showing was fine - it was the injuries which dampened his stats. Robinson was just bad.

If you paid attention to Allen Robinson running routes in LA, you could tell he's pretty much cooked.

Wouldn't take him even at a reduced salary. There's a reason to Rams are dire to let him go even after eating a recent bonus.

Ahh - I missed that he only played in 9 games - Robinson only played in 10 too though.

Also - you have to factor in the poor OL play and the fact that Bryce Perkins, John Wolford and Baker Mayfield were slinging the ball around at some point during the season.

"While the 11 selections the Rams have are valuable, eight of those picks come after No. 150 overall. The team's three picks outside of those come on Day 2, and Los Angeles could use another one."

Sure, let's give up a #2 or 3 pick for a guy that had 339 yards last year. Makes sense --- if you're the Raiders.

And Robinson didn't start being bad in 2022. In 2021 he was every bit as terrible, probably even worse. Only hope any observer had was that the QB situation was awful, and they were stuck with Matt Nagy as their coach, so Robinson lost all motivation to play. That was about as much optimism as could be sprinkled on Robinson's 2021 campaign. Then he went the Rams and eliminated other people as the cause of the problem.

And I didn't watch any LA Rams games (other than ours) and he didn't play that game.

Just to put things in perspective - the Rams (5-12) gave up 59 sacks last year to their QB's. The Broncos (5-12) Gave up 63 and the Colts (4-12) 60.

So some of that play can possibly be attributed to the poor play of the offense in genreal?

I guess the Rams are going to answer the question of "how much would you be willing to give to win ONE championship in your lifetime", because their cap situation might be the most cap-hell ridden cap that's ever been stuck in cap hell.

So if Rams cut him they would be hit with a $26M dead money hit BUT if traded only a $11.2M Dead Money hit. So even a 2024 7th round pick would be a benefit to them AND could even be one of those trades that the Rams actually give pick value to take Robinson.

For the trading team
2023: $10M Cap hit because the $5.25 Roster bonus has already been paid.
2024: $15.750M Cap hit


I'd still be ok with getting Robinson just not at that price when I believe OBJ could be had for that money and produce much better.

He is - 30 on 08/24

It's a shame that his career was wasted in Chicago.

I'd take a flier as a FA on a prove-it deal. At most a 7r. He'd only be here a yr regardless of how it goes most likely.

5 of the 10 games were well over the 34 YPG average:

W vs ATL (31-27) 4 Rec/5 Tgts, 53 Yds, 4 1stD, 1 TD
W vs CAR (24-10) 5 Rec/6 Tgts, 63 Yds, 5 1stD, 1 TD
L vs SF (14-31) 5 Rec/7 Tgts, 54 Yds, 3 1stD
L vs ARI (17-27) 4 Rec/6 Tgts, 44 Tds 3 1stD
L vs NO (20-27) 4 Rec/5 Tgts, 47 Yds, 4 1stD, 1 TD

The other games were blowouts or Defensive battles

L vs BUF (10-31) 1 Rec/2 Tgts, 12 yds
L vs SF (9-24) 2 Rec/6 Tgts, 7 Yds
L vs DAL (10-22) 3 Rec/5 Tgts, 12 yds
L vs TB (13-16) 3 Rec/5 Tgts, 24 yds, 3 1stD

The one outlier:

W vs ARI (20-12) 2 Rec/5 Tgts, 23 yds, 1stD

I'd take him if he's cheap. He's not DHop or OBJ but he's a decent WR. He could replace JJSS' production pretty easily in this offense.

He ran his routes like he had concrete in his shoes. He looks cooked.

dear media: quit speculating every old broke dick receiver to the Chiefs

If we managed to get Cooper Kupp my balls would implode from orgasms.

Dude is a baller.