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Kiimo 04-13-2023 04:02 PM

Texans gonna Texans
 
So help me God if the Texans allow Stroud to fall to the Colts


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Me on the Colts QB situation for the past 25 years


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RedinTexas 04-13-2023 04:03 PM

The Texans are such a dumpster fire.

wazu 04-13-2023 04:04 PM

These guys.

ToxSocks 04-13-2023 04:06 PM

Meh. I get not being sold on Richardson or Levis. And Stroud won't be there when they pick so it's moot.

ToxSocks 04-13-2023 04:07 PM

I wonder if any teams are gonna pass on a Qb with the hope they'll be in the Caleb Williams sweepstakes next year.

DJ's left nut 04-13-2023 04:08 PM

Yeah, not wanting to take a midget QB is hardly an indefensible position.

Young won't last, Richardson and Levis could very easily implode spectacularly. Meanwhile maybe they think Hendon Hooker falls to them in the 2nd.

Now they may be well served to leverage the value of that 2nd to Indy or someone else to get them to move up, but ultimately even Indy may not be terribly excited about Young.

You just can't look past how small that guy is. It absolutely matters.

Kiimo 04-13-2023 04:09 PM

The only scenario I can imagine where the Texans aren't a complete clown car is maybe it's easier to tank with Davis Mills so we can get a QB next year!



edit:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16901175)
I wonder if any teams are gonna pass on a Qb with the hope they'll be in the Caleb Williams sweepstakes next year.


damn I was beaten

DJ's left nut 04-13-2023 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16901175)
I wonder if any teams are gonna pass on a Qb with the hope they'll be in the Caleb Williams sweepstakes next year.

Also an excellent point. Houston has every look in the world of a team that will still suck shit next season. So why not spin the wheel and take your chances that you'll suck badly enough to get someone widely regarded as one of those 'once a decade' sort of prospects.

Kiimo 04-13-2023 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16901181)
Yeah, not wanting to take a midget QB is hardly an indefensible position.



what are you talking about? We're talking about Stroud.

Sassy Squatch 04-13-2023 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16901181)
Yeah, not wanting to take a midget QB is hardly an indefensible position.

Young won't last, Richardson and Levis could very easily implode spectacularly. Meanwhile maybe they think Hendon Hooker falls to them in the 2nd.

Now they may be well served to leverage the value of that 2nd to Indy or someone else to get them to move up, but ultimately even Indy may not be terribly excited about Young.

You just can't look past how small that guy is. It absolutely matters.

Current scuttlebutt is Young going #1, though. He's talking about CJ Stroud falling to the Coltsm

DJ's left nut 04-13-2023 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16901186)
what are you talking about? We're talking about Stroud.

Stroud's not getting past 1.1

kozzman555 04-13-2023 04:12 PM

Nah this actually makes really good sense. If they are only high on CJ Stroud and he isn't available, why not go BPA instead of trying to force a QB that you aren't sold on? Kind of a waste of a top 1st rd pick in my book. Why not have another crappy year, but with some better defense and supporting draft picks this year and try and get a QB next year. This year's QB's are not super impressive.

ToxSocks 04-13-2023 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16901187)
Current scuttlebutt is Young going #1, though. He's talking about CJ Stroud falling to the Coltsm

Young aint going #1. Bank on it.

DJ's left nut 04-13-2023 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16901187)
Current scuttlebutt is Young going #1, though. He's talking about CJ Stroud falling to the Coltsm

Not buying it.

"Oh, you're 5'10" and can either weigh 200 lbs OR be mobile, but you can't do both?"

"Sign us up!"

Young may well have a playing weight of 185 lbs, fellas. Unless you put him behind the best OL in football and have him playing Brady Ball where the ball comes out in under a second and a half, he's gonna get killed.

He's not a viable long-term option.

Hoopsdoc 04-13-2023 04:15 PM

No way in hell the Texans aren’t taking whoever’s left between Stroud/Young.

Not even they are THAT dumb.

DJ's left nut 04-13-2023 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kozzman555 (Post 16901192)
Nah this actually makes really good sense. If they are only high on CJ Stroud and he isn't available, why not go BPA instead of trying to force a QB that you aren't sold on? Kind of a waste of a top 1st rd pick in my book. Why not have another crappy year, but with some better defense and supporting draft picks this year and try and get a QB next year. This year's QB's are not super impressive.

I really kinda wonder if they weren't trying to pull a fast one on Carolina. All the talk about being interested in Young was just to catch Carolina being cute, get them to trade back thinking "hey, we'll still get Stroud" and then get sniped.

I can't see a single front office in football selecting Young over Stroud. Just some of the typical idiots on sports radio/media who love their "Size doesn't matter - he's a winner!" nonsense.

BigRedChief 04-13-2023 04:18 PM

This is so stupid it has to be a false flag operation all
These teams put out there this time of the year.

Chris Meck 04-13-2023 04:18 PM

You need an elite QB in this league, and you're going to have to draft him in the first. With very, very few exceptions this is true.

However-

That doesn't mean you just do it because you don't have one. If you're not sold on this batch, trade out and gather picks.

I'm not sure Stroud is THAT guy, and I really don't think Young can be as small as he is. Levis and Richardson are the most interesting I think, but both carry a high bust potential.

I don't know man. I think the only thing dumb would be if Houston stays put and doesn't take one. At least move a spot or two and get something for it.

Also, remember, it's a defensive head coach. They usually don't want to **** around with a rookie QB. Everybody's different, but typically defensive head coaches are conservative by nature.

jjchieffan 04-13-2023 04:20 PM

Sounds like a smart move to me. I don't see any of the top quarterbacks ever being worthy of a top 5 pick

RunKC 04-13-2023 04:23 PM

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jjchieffan 04-13-2023 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16901206)
You need an elite QB in this league, and you're going to have to draft him in the first. With very, very few exceptions this is true.

However-

That doesn't mean you just do it because you don't have one. If you're not sold on this batch, trade out and gather picks.

I'm not sure Stroud is THAT guy, and I really don't think Young can be as small as he is. Levis and Richardson are the most interesting I think, but both carry a high bust potential.

I don't know man. I think the only thing dumb would be if Houston stays put and doesn't take one. At least move a spot or two and get something for it.

Also, remember, it's a defensive head coach. They usually don't want to **** around with a rookie QB. Everybody's different, but typically defensive head coaches are conservative by nature.

Sorry. I went to upvote this and somehow hit the down vote. I agree with you on this

Chris Meck 04-13-2023 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 16901210)
Sounds like a smart move to me. I don't see any of the top quarterbacks ever being worthy of a top 5 pick

That's not what I was saying.

nevermind.

TwistedChief 04-13-2023 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16901206)
You need an elite QB in this league, and you're going to have to draft him in the first. With very, very few exceptions this is true.

However-

That doesn't mean you just do it because you don't have one. If you're not sold on this batch, trade out and gather picks.

I'm not sure Stroud is THAT guy, and I really don't think Young can be as small as he is. Levis and Richardson are the most interesting I think, but both carry a high bust potential.

I don't know man. I think the only thing dumb would be if Houston stays put and doesn't take one. At least move a spot or two and get something for it.

Also, remember, it's a defensive head coach. They usually don't want to **** around with a rookie QB. Everybody's different, but typically defensive head coaches are conservative by nature.


Totally agree with this.

If I were the Texans, I'd tank the hell out of this next season and go all-in for Caleb Williams. It's not worth taking a QB just to take one if you're not sold on the guys available.

Tribal Warfare 04-13-2023 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 16901210)
Sounds like a smart move to me. I don't see any of the top quarterbacks ever being worthy of a top 5 pick

It's the Desaun Watson effect,the Texans are scared shitless that they'll get it wrong

DJ's left nut 04-13-2023 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16901206)
You need an elite QB in this league, and you're going to have to draft him in the first. With very, very few exceptions this is true.

However-

That doesn't mean you just do it because you don't have one. If you're not sold on this batch, trade out and gather picks.

I'm not sure Stroud is THAT guy, and I really don't think Young can be as small as he is. Levis and Richardson are the most interesting I think, but both carry a high bust potential.

I don't know man. I think the only thing dumb would be if Houston stays put and doesn't take one. At least move a spot or two and get something for it.

Also, remember, it's a defensive head coach. They usually don't want to **** around with a rookie QB. Everybody's different, but typically defensive head coaches are conservative by nature.

Right.

Sooner or later you need one. The real problem is for the QB purgetory teams that are actually good rosters with mediocre QBs who get themselves stuck in the 8-15 range.

But that ain't Houston. They're gonna suck for at least another 2 years. Young isn't the guy and if Stroud doesn't fall, why wouldn't you just accept the fact that you still have another year or two (at least) of suck in front of you so you'll no doubt get another shot at that 1.1 and a QB you actually like?

Though I do agree that, should by some small miracle Stroud fall to 2nd, the Texans should take him. He'd be a solid selection.

The other 3? Punt - try again next year.

Chris Meck 04-13-2023 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16901220)
It's the Desaun Watson effect,thr Texans are scared shitless that they'll get it wrong

I've never understood the Watson love at the NFL level.

He mostly just threw rainbow 50/50 balls to Hopkins. I mean, it worked a lot, but I don't see anything special there from him at all, even before we knew he was a serial sexual assaulter.

Chris Meck 04-13-2023 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16901222)
Right.

Sooner or later you need one. The real problem is for the QB purgetory teams that are actually good rosters with mediocre QBs who get themselves stuck in the 8-15 range.

But that ain't Houston. They're gonna suck for at least another 2 years. Young isn't the guy and if Stroud doesn't fall, why wouldn't you just accept the fact that you still have another year or two (at least) of suck in front of you so you'll no doubt get another shot at that 1.1 and a QB you actually like?

Though I do agree that, should by some small miracle Stroud fall to 2nd, the Texans should take him. He'd be a solid selection.

The other 3? Punt - try again next year.

Yep. They need to just stack good football players. If they're lucky someone will fall in love with a guy and give them a haul to go up and get them.

Now that I think about it, THAT might be a good team to take Bijan Robinson. Trade back, stock picks, and nab the stud RB. Play defense and run the ball. I mean, if you don't have a QB...

chiefzilla1501 04-13-2023 04:36 PM

That depends. Do any of the qbs have a brother who played for the son of a guy who once was an intern for bill bellichick?

Sassy Squatch 04-13-2023 04:36 PM

LMAO Lovie Smith pulled the ultimate **** you if Stroud ends up being as advertised for the Panthers.

DJ's left nut 04-13-2023 04:37 PM

Pierce is a solid RB. And let's say Robinson is Jamaal Charles - that's how you end up winning 5 games and drafting 6th for the next 5 years. Nah.

tredadda 04-13-2023 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16901185)
Also an excellent point. Houston has every look in the world of a team that will still suck shit next season. So why not spin the wheel and take your chances that you'll suck badly enough to get someone widely regarded as one of those 'once a decade' sort of prospects.

Because that would be foolish honestly. Caleb Williams looks good, but not sure he is in the Lawrence/Luck/Manning/Elway caliber of prospect. I could be wrong, so don't quote me on it. I just think a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush (cliche I know). I do remember how the 2017 QB class was considered weak (despite Watson) and the 2018 was supposed to be so much better when in the end the opposite was true. Perhaps Williams will be that good and worth waiting on, but stranger things have happened and there is no guarantee that the Texans get the #1 pick. I think if Stroud is there and they are looking at a safe pick they need to snag him.

tredadda 04-13-2023 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16901206)
You need an elite QB in this league, and you're going to have to draft him in the first. With very, very few exceptions this is true.

However-

That doesn't mean you just do it because you don't have one. If you're not sold on this batch, trade out and gather picks.

I'm not sure Stroud is THAT guy, and I really don't think Young can be as small as he is. Levis and Richardson are the most interesting I think, but both carry a high bust potential.

I don't know man. I think the only thing dumb would be if Houston stays put and doesn't take one. At least move a spot or two and get something for it.

Also, remember, it's a defensive head coach. They usually don't want to **** around with a rookie QB. Everybody's different, but typically defensive head coaches are conservative by nature.

Yeah, if Stroud is there they need to take him. I can't see Ryans hitching his fates to Young, Levis, or Richardson. Young is very talented but small. Levis and Richardson are the epitome of boom/bust and not the kind of QB a rookie HC takes his chances with.

wazu 04-13-2023 04:48 PM

I'm glad you all have so much faith that the Panters won't take Young. I don't necessarily think of the Panthers as one of the most incompetent franchises, but if they do that I'll probably change my mind.

Would just be nice to see at least a FEW of the blue-chip awesome QBs wind up in the NFC. I guess flip side is that no matter how many great AFC QBs there are, if the Chiefs get the 1 seed they'll still only need to face two of them every year.

Kiimo 04-13-2023 04:53 PM

It would be hilarious if the Panthers take Stroud after all the smoke in the last three days that the pick is Young.


To be clear, I am 100% Team Stroud for being the guy in this draft. In my book it's hard to beat accuracy and consistency. And I couldn't give a shit less how high Richardson can jump if his passing completion percentage is hovering around 50

Bump 04-13-2023 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16901258)
It would be hilarious if the Panthers take Stroud after all the smoke in the last three days that the pick is Young.


To be clear, I am 100% Team Stroud for being the guy in this draft. In my book it's hard to beat accuracy and consistency. And I couldn't give a shit less how high Richardson can jump if his passing completion percentage is hovering around 50

but Richardson threw the ball at the rafters 30 yards up in the air!

DJ's left nut 04-13-2023 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16901237)
Because that would be foolish honestly. Caleb Williams looks good, but not sure he is in the Lawrence/Luck/Manning/Elway caliber of prospect. I could be wrong, so don't quote me on it. I just think a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush (cliche I know). I do remember how the 2017 QB class was considered weak (despite Watson) and the 2018 was supposed to be so much better when in the end the opposite was true. Perhaps Williams will be that good and worth waiting on, but stranger things have happened and there is no guarantee that the Texans get the #1 pick. I think if Stroud is there and they are looking at a safe pick they need to snag him.

Sure - if Stroud is there.

He won't be.

No way anyone takes Young at 1.1.

RealSNR 04-13-2023 08:39 PM

Sorry, guys. I know it's lazy and perhaps uninformed given I only watched a single Ohio State game his entire career, but I see zero difference between Stroud and Haskins.

Haskins was supposed to be all the things you wanted in a QB, too. Smart, accurate, big, yadda yadda.

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tredadda 04-13-2023 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16901459)
Sure - if Stroud is there.

He won't be.

No way anyone takes Young at 1.1.

No way Chicago trade up one spot for Trubisky. No team trades their entire draft for a RB. No way KC jumps from 27 to 10 for a project QB when they have an established starter. Not saying you are wrong, just saying that Young could go 1.1.

Dunerdr 04-13-2023 09:38 PM

Smoke screen.

staylor26 04-13-2023 09:52 PM

Panthers : "everybody thinks we traded up for Stroud, but it's really Bruce Young"

Texans: "go ahead take him, we just won't take a QB. We're good with that"

Who's bluff gets called?

Rasputin 04-13-2023 09:57 PM

We should offer CEH to the Texans in exchange for their first round draft pick. They just might bite.

Why Not? 04-13-2023 10:03 PM

Good for them. Why would you take a QB? Are any of these beating Mahomes over the next decade? Might as well build up your D and hope for an early 2000’s Ravens type of deal.

I’m not convinced any of the draftable QBs lead a team to the promised land in the 2020s

KC_Lee 04-14-2023 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 16901431)
but Richardson threw the ball at the rafters 30 yards up in the air!

So he's Uncle Rico?
https://i.imgflip.com/37fgew.jpg

TEX 04-14-2023 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 16901521)
Good for them. Why would you take a QB? Are any of these beating Mahomes over the next decade? Might as well build up your D and hope for an early 2000’s Ravens type of deal.

I’m not convinced any of the draftable QBs lead a team to the promised land in the 2020s

Exactly the case. Or trade down and get future picks and be in play for Williams next year.

kcfan75 04-14-2023 06:52 AM

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BleedingRed 04-14-2023 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 16901200)
No way in hell the Texans aren’t taking whoever’s left between Stroud/Young.

Not even they are THAT dumb.

this

wazu 04-14-2023 07:52 AM

Thing I don't understand is why Panthers would be motivated to misdirect anybody they are taking Young. Why? You are going to want your fan base to believe Stroud is the clear-cut, slam-dunk pick, aren't you? There's no real benefit to putting out misinformation that I can see. And the Texans are absolutely stupid enough to pass on Stroud if they do.

the steam 04-14-2023 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16901226)
I've never understood the Watson love at the NFL level.

He mostly just threw rainbow 50/50 balls to Hopkins. I mean, it worked a lot, but I don't see anything special there from him at all, even before we knew he was a serial sexual assaulter.

Spot on. Even when he had the huge year statistically it was a 4 win team and those were empty stats. He was my fantasy QB in a high stakes league that year so I followed him. He would literally have 4 or 5 fantasy points at halftime every game. They would be down multiple scores then he'd get his stats at garbage time.

Sassy Squatch 04-22-2023 03:12 PM

Betting odds just heavily shifted to Will Levis being #2.

Red Dawg 04-22-2023 03:20 PM

They are taking a QB. If they don't that shit owner should be voted out.

Kiimo 04-22-2023 10:06 PM

My thoughts on Will Levis going #2 overall




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Skyy God 04-24-2023 01:08 PM

Texans or Colts should def draft this guy.

Seems like a sound decision maker.

https://www.insider.com/coffee-with-...entucky-2022-7

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RealSNR 11-29-2024 11:06 AM

The Colts can only find a QB if they have the #1 overall pick.

They're stuck with Richardson and whatever random veteran they pick to not **** up games as much.

Megatron96 11-29-2024 01:56 PM

Richardson is insanely physically gifted, obviously. But apparently he's almost as raw as a freshly butchered cow. Not sure if he'll make it yet, but he needs a lot of polishing between the ears. He probably could've used a season or two behind a true vet before they threw him out on the field.


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