A QB in the fourth round?
 

That's what Brugler thinks in his latest mock draft.

https://theathletic.com/4413880/2023...ck-draft-2023/

1 (31): Keion White, Edge Georgia Tech
2 (63): Tyler Scott, WR, Cincinnati
3 (95): Jaelyn Duncan, OT, Maryland
4 (122): Jaren Hall, QB, BYU
4 (134): DeMarvion Overshown, LB, Texas
5 (166): Desjuan Johnson, DT, Toledo
6 (178): Sean Tucker, RB, Syracuse
6 (217): Grant DuBose, WR, Charlotte
7 (249): Blake Whiteheart, TE, Wake Forest
7 (250): Nic Jones, CB, Ball State

31. Kansas City Chiefs: Keion White, Edge, Georgia Tech
The Chiefs will be examining their pass-rush options early, and White will be near the top of their list. The NFL announced that White is one of 17 prospects who will be attending this year’s draft, and he’s the last of those 17 to appear in this mock. With the draft being held in Kansas City, though, it would make for good TV to have the Chiefs’ selection already in town.

63. Kansas City Chiefs: Tyler Scott, WR, Cincinnati
With the Chiefs expected to add wide receiver help at some point in the first three rounds, Scott is a name to keep on the radar. A true three-level threat, he will be drafted somewhere in the 50-100 range and look like a steal three years from now.

122. Kansas City Chiefs: Jaren Hall, QB, BYU
The BYU connection between Andy Reid and Hall is a fun story, but I’m told the Chiefs “love” Hall’s skill set. Kansas City understands the importance of the backup quarterback, so much so that the Chiefs might even make this pick a round earlier.

178. Kansas City Chiefs: Sean Tucker, RB, Syracuse
The medical question marks might drop Tucker on draft weekend — how far is anyone’s guess. But the value at this point in the draft would make him well worth the risk for the Chiefs.

Seems like a total waste of a pick.

I've loved the idea of taking Jaren Hall to backup Mahomes since draft season started.

But in the 4th? Can't see myself pulling the trigger there. Maybe with the 134th but probably not at 122.

that 5th rounder was my sweet spot for him.

We've needed a backup QB several times over PM's career.

Having a guy who can play like Mahomes does could be a huge benefit to us. Obviously not at the same level, but Hall plays a very similar style.

And he'd be set up to look absolutely spectacular in short stints and/or pre-season games. You give him 2-3 years here and you may well have teams looking to send us a 2nd for him.

It wouldn't be an ideal pick, but a 'waste'? Nah - I think we could get a pretty fair amount of value out of Hall. Especially if we wanted to re-install the QB Sneak and needed him out there to present a credible passing threat.

I guess if you have an extra 4th round pick and have a roster set up that's not completely devoid of talent...then sure. It would probably have me scratching my head at first but Veach has made me look like an idiot on more than one occasion. This would be no different.

If we take White at 31, prepare for plenty of bitching from this bundle of sticks:

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I think id rather have something else at that pick but i get the idea.

That's how I found the mock draft.

He's compared White to Speaks already.

The funny thing is, those guys did the same thing with Karlaftis last year around this time.

Like I said, White looks like what Veach wished he was getting with Speaks. I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that White = Speaks.

They still shit on Bolton every chance they get.

The KCSN crew has simply never been wrong. Ever. You're wrong if your eyes don't tell you what their preconceived notions did.

He also hated the Creed pick because of “positional value”.

Swanson's "nightmare scenario" is White/Rice in the 1st and 2nd rounds. Then Achane in R3.

**** right off. That draft would be awesome.

These guys let popularity go to their heads. Maybe not Stout. He seems to still be pretty low key on things.

Do you disagree with their assessment? Sure seems like their are better options if they’re going DE at 31.

Umm yes. I absolutely disagree with his assessment that White = Speaks. It's a lazy take.

Also, let's hear all the DEs that are significantly better options at 31...

Their assessment ends with his age.

"How many guys get better at 24? And you'll never give him a second contract..."

A) A TON of players, especially DL, improve at 24.
B) who cares about a second contract when you have a 5th yr option?

As you noted, he's a probable top 10 pick if he's 22.

The tools are absolutely top shelf.

Don’t care. They aren’t as high on certain players as others. There’s nothing wrong with that. That’s what makes it fun.

It’s way better than a pod that would be an echo chamber of “every prospect is awesome!”

They're just awfully holier than thou for guys who had Clellin Ferrell as the 4th best prospect in the draft...

This.

That and they don't come off as the type to eat crow and talk about it after the fact. They'll just shove those shit takes in the corner and only bring up when they were correct.

This defines pretty much that entire industry. There’s a lot of pride there.

The Times Ours guys still have their sacred cows and they'll even grade guys based on how they WANT them to be (Bolton v. Gay is the most obvious example; they give Gay every possible excuse while criticizing Bolton for not being Gay) but they also have no problem bagging on themselves for shit takes.

And frankly, Taylor and Seth earned so much credit with me when they came out after the Hill thing hit the fan and said "yeah - we got this wrong and we apologize biggly..." They were clearly sincere and were, to my knowledge, the only prominent chiefs media members to really fall on their swords.

That's why I listen to Times Ours. Those guys will easily come out and talk about how they're wrong. They also will let you know before hand that they really don't know shit about the draft. Seth is just the film guy, Taylor is the guy who has connections to the Chiefs and Briscoe is there to run the show.

KCSN comes off like they're ****ing draft insiders and that their opinions are the only ones you should trust. And a lot of their fan base eats that shit up.

Somebody in the comments on the Lane tweet said that the AFCW would be up for grabs if the Chiefs have this draft.

What do they think the Chiefs should do?

Trade up for a OT of course! lol.

I can hardly handle the Times Ours pod. Too much dumb shit talked about.

It's every single Chiefs media team. RGR has their little fan group that buys their shit all year then when the chiefs dont do what they have been talking about people get upset. Theres really no way of stopping it unless theres more cross collaboration.

That’s what makes it a listen to me. It sounds like three friends sitting around and talking about the Chiefs…because that’s what it is. It has enough nuggets in there that you’ll get something out of it too.

Yeah, when Josh and Seth just start bickering and Josh just makes some surprisingly pointed and really subtle barb out of left field, that just makes the show.

There have been 10-15 seconds of dead air before when Josh comes off the top rope and just kills Seth and poor Keysor has no response because he's just too damn nice. All he can do is stammer out some half-hearted shot about Josh not being able to eat cookies anymore...

Yeah. I guess really the only thing that can get a little annoying is Nate’s voice sometimes but it’s not so bad now that I’ve listened to it enough. I don’t know how you can listen to Times Ours and not be a fan.

I can’t stand any of the other Chiefs podcasts out there. They’re all straight faced and none of them have actual insight. They’re basically “How about those Chiefs” but in podcast form.

For me its Times Ours, then the lab stuff with kcsn, seth when hes doing chief in the north on rgr, then the rest of the garbage on kcsn then the rest of the shit on rgr.

RGR is so bad.

That guy that founded rogue analytics has a job because it's his show. He's awful.

He has Lukas Van Ness as a DT. Doesn't think he's an edge.

This draft kinda sucks...

I actually am in the process of listening to their mock right now. The Van Ness thing is exactly what makes them unbearable. They just come up with something like that and refuse to move off of it. When he was just on locked on Chiefs he picked Demarcus Robinson 3 years in a row to be cut. And it wasnt his rookie year. Just basically every year after. The dude contributed big several times and is cheap ****ing let personal bias go man.

And if he were right more often - or even convincing in his wrongness - I'd be less annoyed by him.

He's just never given me any reasonable basis to conclude that I should actually give a shit what he has to say.

Just about everyone on the draft forum can point to several instances of being ahead of the curve on guys and being spot-on in their analysis as to why. I'm not sure that RGR guy can.

Then he brought Dan Harms in because he thinks exactly like him. It's a shitty echo chamber. I do like when they have Matt Derick on, hes so damn nice. Ryans says something ridiculous to anyone with a functioning brain and Matts just all "Uhm no, no, thats not really what im hearing the chiefs are not expecting to get multiple day 2 picks in return for CEH."

He never EVER even really addresses mistakes. Theyll have high second round guys and talk about how they are late day 3, then the guy goes mid 2 and they never come back to even acknowledge that maybe they are wrong. The kc lab guys do it but not as bad imo. Even Matty has admitted picks he didnt care for ended up being decent. RGR just keeps them on that shit list for life.

Some of the stuff that comes out of Harms is kinda baffling, like he'll post a twitter video and I see nothing he says he sees.

Yeah, RGR is just empty calories.

They're background noise when I don't have a good podcast to listen to.

KCSN for the most part is about 50% able to admit they got something wrong. The issue they have is I'll use the Bolton Humphrey year as an example, even if Bolton and Humphrey are top players at their position they are going to hit you with "yea any GM willing to take those positions that high should hit those picks because most GM's don't value those positions.

So then it turns into, I don't care how good these guys are, they have crappy positional value the rest of the league doesn't care about.

Morse should've taught some lessons to those folks.

I remember in the Morse thread being one of the few Morse backers because "there's just no positional value there!" and I had to point out that this is WHY you can get a guy like Morse in the 2nd.

He's not sexy and no it's not a high value position. But the 2nd round is either 1) High risk, high upside gambles on positions of significant value or B) Lower risk propositions on positions of lesser value.

Y'know what, when you average that shit out, more often than not getting solid, productive, reliable football players at C, LB and S in the 2nd round is gonna yield more aggregate value than your 40% hit rate (maybe) on high variance WRs and CBs.

It's just part of the calculus. So ignoring the inherent stability and predictability of the guy you're getting at that position of lesser importance, ESPECIALLY when he proves to be exactly that sort of solid, reliable football player, is just wildly disingenuous.

I agree that that stuff is annoying but still better than RGR imo. At least KCSN has a little balance. RGR is full homer but for their own bullshit. KCSN has Craig to ground out kent and Matty. I can barely stand BJ with all his super homer bullshit though lol. IDGAF if you know Frank Clark is a good guy, he ****ing sucks at being a DE1.

BJ is to close to the organization, it's like Mitch Holthus.

If they are going DE and Foskey is there, I'd much prefer him to White.

I don't hate White, I rather like him but I'm not taking a guy that's going to turn 25 in the playoffs in the first ****ing round. I'm just not. He flashed well in the seasons leading up to this one, but this was also his first season of quality production and it still was worse than Foskey.

I'd bitch about this pick a little bit and it's not because he might not be talented. It's that he's going to be going on 30 at his 2nd contract. You're buying in on a guy in 1 with that scenario and that's a tough on for me.

As for Jaren Hall in the 4th, that's too rich for me. 6th round maybe.

I think these backup QBs are being too highly rated and I dislike most of them but any of them 5th or later I'd be okay with but highly prefer 6th or later. None before the 5th.

The backups I'd draft
Dorian Thompson-Robinson, UCLA
Clayton Tune, Houston
Aidan O'Connell, Purdue
Jaren Hall, BYU
Chase Brice, Appalachian State
Holton Ahlers, East Carolina

The backups I wouldn't touch
Jake Haener, Fresno State
Tanner McKee, Stanford
Max Duggan, TCU
Stetson Bennett, Georgia
Tyson Bagent, Shepherd
Tanner Morgan, Minnesota
Lindsey Scott Jr, Incarnate Word

The backups I'd consider as UDFAs
Todd Centeio, James Madison
Tommy DeVito, Illinois
Tim DeMorat, Fordham
Malik Cunningham, Louisville
Adrian Martinez, Kansas State

Went on record with this on 2-25-2023

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...3&postcount=11

My biggest knocks on Hall are that when he doesn't take off running too soon he holds the ball too long. I also don't like how much he turns his back to his receivers but that could be partially some offensive design shit in there which is equally crap.

I think you might be able to coach the warts out but who knows? I'd hope he's a lot more coachable than Zach Wilson.

Anyhow, he'd be fine but I don't like him in the 4th.

Two days ago I would have been fine with drafting a QB in the 4th. I think Shane Buechele can be the 2nd QB but would not hand him the job with no competition.

The addition of Blane Gabbert changes my opinion and lowers the need at QB for KC.

I still would sign a UDFA or maybe use a low round pick on QB for camp arm or maybe Practice Squad player.

I’m glad we got Blaine I’d rather use these resources to put talent around Mahomes vs a project rookie behind him.