Simms has us taking Murphy
 

He also has Van Ness falling to 29 and McDonald to Philly @30.

I’d love a move up for Van Ness if he gets past the Chargers in his mock.

Van Ness or Murphy and I'd be good with that first round.

It's weird as hell people have gotten so high on McDonald.

He's tough as nails and has a great skillset. He's got Pro Bowl upside.

I think it's nuts people are crazy about Murphy as anything but a bottom-of-the-first guy. Murphy may never make a Pro Bowl but he's going to give you 8-9 sacks a season for a decade. He's going to hit the ground running, too.

I think if you run a 3-4 he's a guy that's a really good fit because his deficiencies against the run that will be likely in the NFL right out the gate can be masked a bit. He's one of the top few pure pass rushers in this class.

I guess I'm probably an outlier here.....but give me the guy that can really get after the passer and I'll figure out the run decencies.

Seriously, he might struggle against the run....in a passing league. I don't think I really care that much?

McDonald is one of the freaks in this class that plays like a freak.

He's good.

It's his advanced pass rushing metrics. He has some of the best analytics on PFF, pretty sure they gave him a 90+ pass rushing grade and 20%+ win rate for last season...My subscription ended exactly today so I cannot verify, but that's what I recall changing my opinion of him.

I'd be very very happy with Murphy, probably my 1st or 2nd choice in the draft for our 1st along with OT Wright. McDonald might be the only other DE I like in the 1st currently but it'd be likely he only gets in the game on passing downs with Omenihu in-house.

I feel like im going to be haunted by not saying "Will McDonald" in the Draft prediction thread.

I'd be stoked for Murphy.

I think he makes a lot of sense for a team like the Seahawks if you believe the rumor that they are going back to the D they ran 10 years ago.

Yeah, putting him across from Karlaftis seems ideal to me. What am I missing?

No, no he's not. McDonald plays like a defensive end trying to stand up when he does that. He doesn't show fluidity to legit play standing at this time. He also has never gained weight in 5 years so the idea he'll just get bigger than 240 is wishful thinking.

To me he is a situation rusher and do you really want to use a 1st round pick on a role player? He also is not a schematic fit at all with the Chiefs so...

Undersized for this Defense. Would be more of a SAM than Edge.

He would fit as a LEO.

In the Chiefs defense he could get absolutely destroyed in the run game, with what they ask of the ends he wouldn't hold up at all. Shit at this point I'm not sure NFL TE's couldn't handle him in the run game.

You're taking a dime pass rusher that is 24 with a 1st round pick.

He's actually smaller than the guys we play at SAM..Leo Chenal is bigger than him.

"Can't hold up against the run"

Good thing teams will be throwing it against us alot.

And yet you want to draft Mazi Smith in the first.

Tell me 1 player Spagnuolo has wanted on his line that is the size of Will McDonald...he just isn't a fit.

Dont think he could add 10lbs? Frank Clark played at 250-255 (When he wasn't fat Frank Clark).

The fact that he stayed at 240 for 5 years isn't a great sign that it'd be good weight.

Frank Clark?

Will McDonald 6'4 239lbs
Frank Clark 6'3 272lbs

Whether you buy into listings or not that is a large difference..

Shit Leo Chenal is 6'3 250

In zero world is Frank clark 270

It didn't seem to bother Hasaan Reddick or Brian Burns?

There is no damned way Frank Clark was 272 pounds last season. 245 maybe, but I wouldn't be shocked if he was 235.

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The best part, exactly as I said all of the OT's are gone by 20.

That is not the same scheme...

I'll leave it at this, do the Chiefs like undersized lineman?

How big was Osi when he played for Spags?

And Spags used to use something very similar to a LEO.

It's possible he could go back to that if he had the right player. We all kindof expected him to do it when he got here and shift us to a 4-3 under sort of front. Though that may make things harder on Jones so I could see us avoiding it. But really, an under SDE is a really nice role for Karlaftis, IMO.

I just don't know that I'd take some of these smaller guys off the board if we think they can bend an edge. Because Spags (and Cullen) know how to get production out of those kinds of players.

6'3 255

Although if you notice, the game has changed over the years. The reason they don't like undersized linemen is because they can play nickel in run downs because they don't need an extra run defender behind the line.

If you want an end just figure out a way to get Myles Murphy he fits what we do.

What's a run down in the league today?

Clark played at probably 250-255 last year. And as we all know, nobody sets the edge like Frank Clark.

So clearly mass is immaterial.

And that is the entire point of why when your line alone can stop the run it's a big deal.

Yea but McDonald is an asshole run defender so that point doesn't even translate.

3rd and 1. Maybe. If you have a team that's confident they can pick up the 4th down, they'll probably throw it on 3rd as well.

Really, there's no such thing. It's why I'm not enthusiastic about Smith in the 1st round. Run-Stuffers just don't matter that much.

I'd guess it's a bigger deal when you can't rush the passer...but I digress

Alternatively, it's why you never pass on a potential premium pass rusher because of concerns over run defense.

You realize teams have things they generally do, and formula's they follow, the Chiefs don't like undersized linemen, that has basically been consistent for awhile.

I can teach a guy to defend the run.

I can't teach a guy to bend around the edge

If we're going by that, they wouldn't have drafted McDuffie last year.

Ok that is an entire position saying if they'll draft it high that is not the same as the type of players they like at a position.

McDonald doesn't check 2 boxes, he's old and he's small.

Looked pretty good rushing standing up in all the plays I saw him do it at Iowa State. I don't think that's a problem.

Not gaining weight, in my opinion, is directly related to him not focusing enough on his lower body and maybe NFL strength coaches can help him hone in on that.

At the end of the day if you want an edge, get the one that fits and that guy is Murphy.

Yeah, I don't think guys like McDonald and Smith are going to be very high on Spags' wish list.

Eh, I don't think he's going to be there. I'd take the value, obviously, if he's there even though I don't feel like edge is a priority this year.

While I see that, Murphy is probably a 3 down player that is going to consistently get double digit sacks, that is great value after pick 20.

I have a really hard time seeing him going after Van Ness. I still think he's a top-15 guy in this draft.

Every single person has him falling, guys in the know everyone...must be something about him.

Have some sources I can look at?

Daniel Jeremiah has him 21st on his big board behind Van Ness.

I think Boylehart has him 17 after Van Ness as well. Those are still a ways from 31 and teams overdraft edge rushers with regularity. I guess it will come down to where NFL teams value Van Ness and Murphy that'll make the biggest difference. If they see them like they saw Johnson and Karlaftis last year where there is a pretty significant drop from the top couple of guys, and I'd certainly side with that being true, then they could go much later than even the pundits might think. The only differentiating factor might be the lack of top-end talent elsewhere as well as the overall need for edge talent. I also still don't see how Smith is a 1st round talent, like at all. Maybe he's a bottom of 1 guy but I'm not seeing top half the first talent where he's being ranked regularly.

If we can give up 95 and a mid rounder next year to go get Van Ness or Murphy, we won the draft.

Period.

Our DL can get constant pressure without blitzing and it opens up the rest of the defense…and the DL would be deep.

Combine that with our secondary developing and this defense should have the highest floor its had since the AS11 years.

No shot Murphy goes outside top 15

If you watch the show, he slips in that he wouldn’t be shocked if LaPorta goes a lot higher than some think…maybe even sliding into the first round.

Not sold on LaPorta going in the first. Have heard some teams aren't liking the medicals.

I like LaPorta a lot but he's not going that high. Also heard there was a medical...

Dane Brugler in his final mock has Murphy falling to the Chiefs at 31.

This would be ideal IMO

Many of the reviews on Murphy that I've read suggest that his 2021 tape was much better than his 2022 tape. Sadly, none offered an assessment as to what may have caused this. Anyone aware of this and any explanation as to the reason for said fall-off?

Brett Venables left the Clemson DC job to take the Oklahoma HC job?

Bullshit on the first partROFL

Well, yeah obviously not me personally you ****ing idiot.

"I" as in, a coaching staff