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siberian khatru 04-26-2023 07:03 AM

Albert Breer first and only mock
 
https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/04/26/nf...e000279b&pid=2

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Kansas City Chiefs: Anton Harrison, OT, Oklahoma
Harrison’s a true left tackle, and would give the Chiefs the flexibility to either put Jawaan Taylor back at right tackle, where he played in Jacksonville, or move Harrison there. Either way, getting Harrison here (I think he could go in the teens) would be a steal for the Chiefs. Kansas City’s fished around on a trade up, and I think it’d be with Flowers or Gibbs as a target. If those guys aren’t there for K.C., I’d see Harrison in a group with Michigan DT Mazi Smith and Tennessee WR Jalin Hyatt to be considered at No. 31.
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staylor26 04-26-2023 08:37 AM

Sign me up.

Coogs 04-26-2023 08:41 AM

I agree with everything he said. Which is the same thing many here have said for several days/weeks.

Shoes 04-26-2023 08:49 AM

Well thought out mock draft by Albert Breer.

The Franchise 04-26-2023 08:50 AM

Harrison, then Hyatt and then...


















Mazi Smith.

O.city 04-26-2023 08:52 AM

If Harrison can play LT and teams see it that way....I don't see a chance in hell he falls to 31.

DJ's left nut 04-26-2023 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16916825)
If Harrison can play LT and teams see it that way....I don't see a chance in hell he falls to 31.

Yeah, the lack of helium around Harrison makes me think I'm missing something.

I really don't get it. He sure as hell looks like a guy who should be a top 20 pick in MOST drafts. Let alone one that seems to lack true blue-chip talent at the top.

It's weird.

The Franchise 04-26-2023 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16916870)
Yeah, the lack of helium around Harrison makes me think I'm missing something.

I really don't get it. He sure as hell looks like a guy who should be a top 20 pick in MOST drafts. Let alone one that seems to lack true blue-chip talent at the top.

It's weird.

He'll be one of those guys that goes well before our pick and everyone will be disappointed that he didn't fall like we thought he would.

Dunerdr 04-26-2023 09:40 AM

Not sure about the Lions and Bijan. Dont they have Montgomery being paid pretty handsomely and Swift? Id take this as a chiefs fan all day though.

BryanBusby 04-26-2023 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16916825)
If Harrison can play LT and teams see it that way....I don't see a chance in hell he falls to 31.

Not necessarily. Here's two reasons why he could make it all the way to 31.

1. A project. You're not gonna put him out on an island Day 1 unless you're ok with him being beat like a drum for awhile.

2. Not a good run blocker. That matters to a lot of teams.

He would be a very clear Day 2 kind of player if this draft wasn't so shitty at the top.

ToxSocks 04-26-2023 09:42 AM

The Jets taking a WR? LMAO

Sure, Jan.

O.city 04-26-2023 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 16916892)
Not necessarily. Here's two reasons why he could make it all the way to 31.

1. A project. You're not gonna put him out on an island Day 1 unless you're ok with him being beat like a drum for awhile.

2. Not a good run blocker. That matters to a lot of teams.

He would be a very clear Day 2 kind of player if this draft wasn't so shitty at the top.

If teams think he can be a good pass blocking LT......he's not falling. It's a passing league, if the guy can excel at that, he's gonna go early.

I don't see how he's a project? He played LT at OU and is being talked about as the next best athletic T from OU. If he falls to 31 I'd guess it's because teams don't think he's a LT at the next level.

DJ's left nut 04-26-2023 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16916873)
He'll be one of those guys that goes well before our pick and everyone will be disappointed that he didn't fall like we thought he would.

Right.

When he goes 21 to TB we're gonna get a lot of swearing on this board and ultimately it should be REALLY predicatable.

He's a perfect fit for them there with a premier RT in Wirfs. I mean even if TB likes Goedeke, they'd be converting Wirfs to LT to make Goedeke work.

They'll just take Harrison, plug him in at LT and be quite pleased.

staylor26 04-26-2023 10:34 AM

The closer we get, the more I think it's going to be a WR that falls into our lap as opposed to OT or EDGE.

MahomesMagic 04-26-2023 10:38 AM

Starting to think both Buffalo and Cincinnati go DL.

I used to think Buffalo was taking a LB but now I think it's a defensive tackle. They have no one under contract next year.

The Franchise 04-26-2023 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16916982)
The closer we get, the more I think it's going to be a WR that falls into our lap as opposed to OT or EDGE.

I think Veach is going to try and trade up for Van Ness or Murphy.

The Franchise 04-26-2023 10:42 AM

And if they go WR at 31, then I think it's Hyatt.

O.city 04-26-2023 10:45 AM

If the board fell like this, I might call the Saints and see if I could get ahead of the Eagles for Gibbs.

The Franchise 04-26-2023 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16917020)
If the board fell like this, I might call the Saints and see if I could get ahead of the Eagles for Gibbs.

I'd be calling Jacksonville and trying to trade up for Murphy.

staylor26 04-26-2023 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16917020)
If the board fell like this, I might call the Saints and see if I could get ahead of the Eagles for Gibbs.

Mr. "No RB in the 1st ever" has officially done a complete 180.

raybec 4 04-26-2023 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16917048)
Mr. "No RB in the 1st ever" has officially done a complete 180.

At least he isn't trying to trade our entire draft for Brian Burns anymore.

O.city 04-26-2023 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16917048)
Mr. "No RB in the 1st ever" has officially done a complete 180.

I've always had a real hard on for a RB/WR in this offense. We saw what it can be with McKinnon last year.

I think Gibbs is a supercharged McKinnon for 5 cheap years. I don't really view it as a RB more as a pure weapon that could do what McKinnon and Hardman did.

DJ's left nut 04-26-2023 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16916982)
The closer we get, the more I think it's going to be a WR that falls into our lap as opposed to OT or EDGE.

I've said all along, we have enough needs but none desperate that the odds of there not being a clear 'top of the tier' option available for us at 31 are pretty damn remote.

May be WR, may be OT, may be DE or DT.

But at one of those positions there's going to be a break at or immediately after a player available to us.

I really do think the board will make the pick obvious for us. It's not a given - but I think it's more likely than not.

BryanBusby 04-26-2023 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16916910)
If teams think he can be a good pass blocking LT......he's not falling. It's a passing league, if the guy can excel at that, he's gonna go early.

I don't see how he's a project? He played LT at OU and is being talked about as the next best athletic T from OU. If he falls to 31 I'd guess it's because teams don't think he's a LT at the next level.

You're missing the point which is this draft is littered with guys that could become good pass blocking Left Tackles. He's not setting himself apart from the rest of that Tier 3 pack.

In result he could fall because teams simply think they can wait till Round 2 to fill that role.

Not going to guarantee that happens because 95% of this draft will be a total crap shoot but there's some reasons there as to why he could fall. Creed Humphrey was a slam dunk Center from Oklahoma and he slid all the way to the later part of the 2nd round for us. It happens.

BossChief 04-26-2023 12:05 PM

Breer was the most accurate in his mock last year of any of the insiders or talking heads, so this mock and Simms definitely hold more weight than most.

O.city 04-26-2023 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 16917195)
You're missing the point which is this draft is littered with guys that could become good pass blocking Left Tackles. He's not setting himself apart from the rest of that Tier 3 pack.

In result he could fall because teams simply think they can wait till Round 2 to fill that role.

Not going to guarantee that happens because 95% of this draft will be a total crap shoot but there's some reasons there as to why he could fall. Creed Humphrey was a slam dunk Center from Oklahoma and he slid all the way to the later part of the 2nd round for us. It happens.

Creed was a C though. This is a LT.

The draft is littered with good pass blocking LT's?

ToxSocks 04-26-2023 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16916982)
The closer we get, the more I think it's going to be a WR that falls into our lap as opposed to OT or EDGE.

Would make sense. Not a lot of WR needy teams and pretty much all the 1st round guys are really late 1st, 2nd round guys.

I heard Chris Simms talking about how he's heard around the league that JSN is viewed by some teams as a 2nd round guy. If that's the case, i really need to trust myself more.

BryanBusby 04-26-2023 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16917240)
Creed was a C though. This is a LT.

The draft is littered with good pass blocking LT's?

The draft is littered with projects that can turn into good pass blocking Left Tackles.

You missed the point.

O.city 04-26-2023 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 16917308)
The draft is littered with projects that can turn into good pass blocking Left Tackles.

You missed the point.

Yeah, those guys get drafted high. He's already shown to be a good pass blocking LT at an elite level at a high level college.

If NFL teams think that, he aint' falling to 31. My comment was more toward DJ thinking he's separated himself from that pack. If not, I do agree he could go lower, but I dont' think teams would view him as a legit day 1 LT in that case.

BryanBusby 04-26-2023 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16917324)
Yeah, those guys get drafted high. He's already shown to be a good pass blocking LT at an elite level at a high level college.

If NFL teams think that, he aint' falling to 31.

Believe it or not, Left Tackles are also drafted after Thursday night.

Glad I could break that news for you.

DJ's left nut 04-26-2023 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 16917308)
The draft is littered with projects that can turn into good pass blocking Left Tackles.

You missed the point.

That's a far cry from LTs that can come in and start at LT as a rookie at some point. If you take a guy in the 2nd or 3rd with the idea of red-shirting him, you get 3 years (maybe) of quality OT play from him. But if you can take a 1st rounder who may well be able to play in year 1, you're getting 5 years. That's a MASSIVE difference in value.

And even setting the bar lower, there are very very few OTs in this class that have the ability to be the kind of pass protector Harrison has shown capable of being even if they develop as well as you could possibly hope.

JPH83 04-26-2023 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16917098)
I've said all along, we have enough needs but none desperate that the odds of there not being a clear 'top of the tier' option available for us at 31 are pretty damn remote.

May be WR, may be OT, may be DE or DT.

But at one of those positions there's going to be a break at or immediately after a player available to us.

I really do think the board will make the pick obvious for us. It's not a given - but I think it's more likely than not.

I honestly think with the lack of top talent and abundance of good, high floor guys we're less likely to have a single obvious pick and more likely to have 2, 3, 4 guys that are much of a muchness and it comes down to perceived need.

I guess I can see a scenario where you're right, something like Harrison is available, Johnston, Flowers, JSN are gone, Murphy and Van Ness are gone, and you just go Harrison. But it's more likely for me you've got e.g. Darnell Wright, Kincaid, Hyatt, Felix Anudike-Uzomah and Mazi Smith and it's not THAT obvious. I'm not sure I expect us all to be screaming the same name come pick 31.


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