The Mahomes-Flowers connection would be ‘trouble’ for the league.
 

Zay Flowers says he hasn’t had many conversations with the Chiefs, but after working out with Patrick Mahomes, he said, “As soon as the first ball come out, I was like, if I could get with him, it would be a lot of trouble in the league.”

https://twitter.com/SamMcDowell11/st...atrick-mahomes

After listening to some talking heads Monday, this guy is my pick in the first.

Mecca just came.

It really doesn't matter how much contact they've had. Just look at their draft history and you'll know it's not a factor.

But you’re ignoring what I want to happen

In Veach we trust

Travis Kelce had some positive words for potential first round WR Zay Flowers on NFL Live. "I can tell you just by watching him he can help us out right now."

https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL/status/1...s-right-now%2F

I dunno, just because they've never drafted Zay Flowers in the past doesn't necessarily mean they won't draft him this year.

It seems like a really bad idea to be broadcasting all this if they really want him. Like, the exact opposite of how Veach usually handles these things.

Just saying.

Yeah, we said the same thing about a gun slinging QB back when we had Alex Smith. Nobody ever thought we'd move to take Mahomes or Geno and look what happened.

We do have a history of drafting guys with Flowers as their last name.

Also, Andy has an assitant named Flowers and Flowers has an assistant named Andy.

People also said CEH would flourish in this offense.

Flowers is on Good Morning Football and was asked what QB he would like to play with if he could choose any, and stated quickly "Pat Mahomes"and goes into a little detail on why...... good stuff........ and stated that the Chiefs need to move up and get him.

We don't need another sub six foot WR

Interview at the 1:40 mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yH6x76OWpc

Andy has a huge wang.

Flowers are sex organs of plants.

Listened to Charlie Wise and Bob Papa do 2 mock drafts this morning. In both mocks, Flowers was the Chiefs pick at 31. Let's hope that they're right.

we could use him to run the pistil.

They also called Kelce a broke dick after his knee microfracture.

Not the same thing. This offense is already great. This argument that any player can join the offense and create "trouble for the league" makes it sound like the offense won't punt the rest of the season or like they're lacking.

Wasn't winning the Super Bowl last year trouble enough for the league?

The talk with CEH was that with Mahomes/Kelce/Hill, adding a RB that can catch out of the backfield was the only thing missing.

"They" also correctly called Mahomes over Watson.

"They" also said Karlaftis was a great pick.

"They" also said McDuffie is a premiere CB.

"They" also said the Chiefs should've drafted DK over Hardman.

"They" were also very high on Willie Gay's athletic upside.

"They" were also very high on Nick Bolton.

"They" also called Creed the best C in the draft.

"They" also called Trey Smith a great value pick.

"They" also said JJSS wouldn't be retained.

......i mean we can do this all day.

Not sure why the Chiefs Planet Scouting Department is all under fire the day before the draft from some of ya'll.

Context is a mother****er.

Right…he was gonna be our Marshall Faulk…and then it never came to be. Chiefs will likely go defense and I’m thinking all this chatter about these WRs is just that. Although, I do wonder if the Chiefs could be after a TE like Musgrave to groom as Kelce’s replacement. Can’t wait to find out!

I tend to agree. KC already has several smaller WRs on the roster. The need is for a prototypical WR; 6+ ft tall, 210-lbs., etc. And no, MVS isn't what I'm talking about.

Hey, but people were wrong before so they're probably wrong now!

Pass his arms are too short to play tackle-uchieffybuggeye

Honestly is there any WR in the league who would not love to play with Mahomes?

Drafting flowers would make the chiefs over tgthe past few years the smallest we corp in history by far

Brint Vleach smoke screen

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This goes back to the DK Metcalf convo but that's just not Andy's style. Tyreek, Hardman, Skyy Moore, Maclin, Desean Jackson, James Thrash. He likes smaller, quick WRs with elite speed that he can use in space.

Someone that thinks Tua is more accurate....

I don't care. Im just here to drink when they say and a pick 32 the defending Super Bowl Champions the Kansas City Chiefs select....(while in Kansas City!)

Help a dumbass out: What does Flowers do that Skyy Moore does not?

ROFL True. Although now I would say he’s having buyer’s remorse.

Nobody really knows shit. You just throw a dart at a talented guy and hope you get lucky. The worst GMs can outperform the best GMs in the short run (5 years) simply cuz they get lucky and the also the opposite is true.

Meh I do really like Flowers but I personally think this WR class is on the weaker side and the talks of Flowers mid 1st round are only because of the lack of overall talent.

I think he does have a 2nd round grade and Veach will only consider taking him if he is there at #31.

When KC had Sammy Watkins and he was healthy (2019) the Chiefs scored 35 pts/game. A TD more than last season. And there was the Josh Gordon experiment, Kelvin Benjamin, JJSS, etc. Not to mention the fact that they brought in Dez Bryant and at least one other guy after for a workout. Andy has always wanted a prototypical WR opposite a smaller speed WR.

Probably a primary reason Veach picked up Justyn Ross.

So while it's fair to say that Andy likes smaller speedy WRs, it's also just as true that he likes to have a prototypical 6ft plus WR on the roster as well.

And we have several smaller WRs already. Andy likes balance on his offense, in terms of personnel.

Noooo! There are only 31 picks in the 1st rpund this year. If u wait for 32 you'll miss the announcement!

He did till that injury in the NO game.

The guys in the tight end room make up for that, though. All of them.

Riiiiiight, right. You go on believing that....

Patrick Mahomes II made Albert Wilson a rich man with only one game. Savvy wide receivers know that.

I think the ONLY reason Hardman was taken over Metcalf was because he graded out way closer to what Tyreek did for the team while DK would be more of a downfield guy. Tyreek had a very high chance of not being a Chief with everything going on at that time.

Also it seems Reid likes to have some kind of speed deep threat plus over the middle hands guy, regardless of size. Regardless if its through the draft or free agency....Terrell Owens for example, Sammy for example, JuJu for example, Trading for Toney for example.

DeSean-Deep
Maclin-Hands guy

Tyreek-Deep guy(could do more of course)
Sammy-Hand guy

Hardman drafted to replace Tyreek.

Think currently one could argue that Reid already HAS his two main guys...

Toney-Speed and deep guy moves like Tyreek
Skyy-Hands guy

Can also throw MVS in there to mix in with Toney as your Deep guy.

I just think Reid couldn't care less about size, to a point, and more on speed and what role they would have...fill a need?

I think a lot rides on how Skyy has looked this offseason as I believe he has went to every camp Mahomes has held. If Mahomes/Reid/Veach feel Skyy is ready then WR might not be a huge need other than Toney's injury history.

Why isn't MVS what you're talking about? MVS is 6-4 and fast as hell.

Reminds me of all the losers in my fantasy league that say it's all luck while I continue to take their money.

Skyy Moore is great off the line. He gets jammed, he still gets open. I think he's going to catch a bunch of short passes in his career.

Zay Flowers can cut in any direction on a dime. He isn't nearly as great handling a jam or getting off the line but holy shit can he get open in intermediate routes. I think those two would pare NICELY with MVS going deep and Kelce finding holes all over the place to settle in to while DBs chase these guys all over the field.

Flowers makes DBs look silly when he cuts in a way that few do. His top end speed is good but his speed on cuts is exceptional.

Yeah that's because it was all after the fact BS.

Nobody had the Chiefs on a RB, then we all justified it. ****ing horrible pick.

I agree that Andy Reid doesn't like big receivers, and don't call MVS a big receiver just because of his height, as he is the smallest 6'4" WR ever.

But, every time we play the Chargers, and Mike Williams clowns every single DB on the roster when they go up for 50/50 balls, I really want Mahomes to have someone like that.

Other than Kelce, we don't have a ball catcher that can consistently win on contested catches.

Yeah Flowers has some Toney in him with his ability to run full speed and then just....stop. And his build is closer to a Tyreek Hill. Moore is more of a smooth mover, Flowers has more "Bang, bang cut!" if you know what i mean. He's a thicker bodied player than Moore. And while they timed similar at the combine, Flowers shows up on "film" as a faster, twitchier player.

And i agree, i think they'd compliment each other well.

My only hesitation with Flowers has nothing to do with the player, but rather im just not sure the Chiefs want another small receiver in a room full of small receivers.

I've never watched Flowers play, but his size scares me. Not saying he wont' be awesome to begin with, but can he take a hit from Micah Parsons (or someone similar) and still be a threat the rest of the game? Maybe?

This is a pretty overlooked situation regarding CEH. He lost just enough burst that it killed his game, since he didn't have any whatsoever to spare. It's really a shame, he looked extremely good the first part of his rookie year.

Exactly.

Today's rules kinda allow small WR's to survive in this league, which is why you see them more and more.

Jaylen Waddle and DeVonta Smith are two guys who come to mind in similar weight. Except those guys are skinny, where as Flowers is more of a compact muscle ball ala Hill.

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From ShaggyShane

Guys are getting smaller and smaller because of the league valuing speed. Emmanuel Forbes is gonna go in the first round and he's 165lb CB.

Short answer: he’s a run fast in a straight line WR. He’s Hardman just taller.

His best game was his first game. He never again reached that level of production.

That and they're not prone to getting lit the **** up thanks to NFL safety rules.

I never understood that. Who cares how big Metcalf was if his 40 time was the same as Hardman's? What scared Reid away from a Superman type receiver?

Thanks for the response. Good stuff.

There were concerns about his NFL readiness and he had pre-draft injury concerns as well.

Lots of teams passed on him. A few teams passed on him twice.

I was exactly on this way of thinking and came around by watching his games.

Some guys just can just flat out play and their size isn't a thing. I mean DeVonta Smith looks like he's literally going to get broken in half and then when you watch him play he's like Kevin Durant. It simply doesn't matter what the scales say, what do your eyes say?



edit: lol BEATEN ON SMITH

The worry at the time was that he might be a big, strong, all go routes and deep stuff only guy. Not a huge route tree. Not a lot of cutting or selling routes and mostly straight line stuff. A very limited number of things he could do. And that's not entirely untrue.

I think Reid would take Marvin Harrison/Jerry Rice skill set any day over David Boston, Randy Moss, or the bigger and less agile guys.

Yeah Metcalf's notorious cone drill was unbelievably bad.

Don't mention "he slipped" it was bad before and after that tiny little slip.


But as it turns out running a cone drill is not as important as being a ****ing MOOSE at full speed

Even More:

You’d think there isn’t all that much you can learn from a 20-minute throwing session with the reigning league MVP at quarterback, but that wasn’t the Boston College WR Zay Flowers.

The wideout had thought his pre-draft process was over and that he’d be able to relax leading into his travel to Kansas City for the 2023 NFL draft. All of a sudden, his phone buzzed with a message from an unfamiliar number.

“I actually just got a text out of nowhere and I’m looking down at my phone like, ‘Patrick Mahomes just texted me? That’s crazy,'” Flowers told media members at the NFL Play Football event at Central High School on Wednesday. “He was like, ‘We’re working out.’ We just worked together and there were a couple of (other) guys out there. A couple of pro quarterbacks and a couple of receivers too.”

After the amazement wore off, Flowers said he simply went out there and took advantage of the opportunity. He didn’t try to make an impression, he just took in what was a rare experience for a draft prospect.

In working with Mahomes, he learned a lot about the Chiefs’ star quarterback and what to expect from the NFL game.

“Wherever he says that he’s going to put that ball, the ball is going to be there,” Flowers said of Mahomes. “If he said he’s going to put the ball in the back of your head, you better turn around because the ball is going to be in the back of your head. Just catching the ball is so easy because you know where it’s going to be. It’s going to be in the same spot every time so you can just turn around and make a play.”

As for the advice he received from those pro receivers and quarterbacks in attendance, they told him to stay true to himself in the NFL.

“They just tell me to be who I am,” Flowers said. “Everybody has got their own game. Everybody has got their own style. You don’t have to be like nobody else — and just take care of your body.”

Even after the throwing session in Texas was over, Mahomes left the line of communication with Flowers open.

“He just told me if I need anything about this process to just text him and we can just chop it up if I need it,” Flowers said of Mahomes. “I was looking through my phone, I was like, ‘I’m really like texting with Patrick Mahomes.’ I used to watch him when he had Tyreek Hill. I like Tyreek Hill, a lot, so just watching him and thinking, ‘What if I got to work with him?”

Flowers admittedly had some preconceived notions about what Mahomes would be like and what it would be like to work alongside him. He doesn’t get a choice in the matter, but Flowers says that it’d feel great if he were drafted by Kansas City and got to continue working with Mahomes. Even when he was prompted about the one quarterback he’d want to play with in the NFL, he didn’t hesitate to give his answer.

“Pat Mahomes,” Flowers said. “Even if I didn’t just workout with him, Pat Mahomes.”

It still hurts my soul.

You've got three SB's and two rings to console you...

Sure I'll be fine, doesn't change the fact that we would have been better off having DK instead of Hardman.

We have him. His name is Travis Kelce. Surround Kelce with a bunch of absolute waterbugs in Toney, Moore and Flowers and its over. MVS to take the top off on occassion.

Plus the way chaos theory works - if we had drafted D.K. nothing would have gone down the same. Which means there's a solid chance we don't manage to win one or both of the recent Superbowls.

Breeland Speaks was the key to everything.

that's how I feel with CEH over Tee Higgins

Yep. And chavarius ward proved it last season. Just stonewalled DK, 1v1.

Obviously Andy doesn’t agree with this simplistic view, so just really don’t know what else needs to be said.

Moss is an entirely different animal than those other guys..

I feel bad for the kid bc I think this toss around was a smoke screen.

Side note: I don't recall any other year where players essentially tried out for a team like that before the draft? Is that legal? Will it be next season?

Exactly.

I dont see how they can limit who a non-contracted nfl hopeful can go work out with off of an nfl facilty.


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