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O.city 08-25-2023 10:59 AM
Chiefs offered a 3rd to trade up with Dallas
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Full deliberation in the Cowboys war room between Bergeron and Mazi. It seems like both were rated 12th and 13th on their board? Also shows the Chiefs offered a 3rd to trade into their spot <a href="https://t.co/5qL6XX5j5i">pic.twitter.com/5qL6XX5j5i</a></p>&mdash; Billy M (@BillyM_91) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillyM_91/status/1695115342366876096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 25, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Who were we coming up for?

Mazi?

RealSNR 08-25-2023 11:05 AM
Probably Mazi.

Whatevs. Trade with us or don't we're still going to beat your ass

TLO 08-25-2023 11:11 AM
Oh well.

jjchieffan 08-25-2023 11:12 AM
Drafting Mazi sounds like something Carl Peterson would have done. Draft a tip DT in the first knowing that Jones would be looking for an extension.

L.A. Chieffan 08-25-2023 11:15 AM
Mazi getting bust label already in D

TomBarndtsTwin 08-25-2023 11:18 AM
Glad we didn't make this trade and stayed where we were at and drafted FAU.

Apparently Mazi hasn't exactly been impressing in Cowboy country:

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/artic...17068_39160669

Sassy Squatch 08-25-2023 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 17072983)
Mazi getting bust label already in D
Bit early for that but it is true he's shown absolutely nothing so far in preseason.

ptlyon 08-25-2023 11:20 AM
Just what in the **** does this have to do with Chris Jones?

Abba-Dabba 08-25-2023 11:23 AM
Thankfully that didn't happen. Was never really on the Mazi Smith train. I was firmly on the Keeanu Benton and Karl Brooks train.

RunKC 08-25-2023 11:24 AM
If it were me it would have been Anton Harrison, who has looked very good for the Jags thus far.

Cowboys reporters tweeted we wanted Mazi and that's why we got turned down. Nate Taylor was talking about Mazi Smith for weeks before the draft for a reason..

RockChalk 08-25-2023 11:26 AM
LOL. Why the **** do they still let JJ be the main dude for the draft? He doesn't know shit. "I..I..I'm not trying to influence anybody in here"....dude, you're the owner. Nobody is going to argue against you.

No wonder that franchise hasn't won shit in 30 years.

Direckshun 08-25-2023 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17072946)
Probably Mazi.

Whatevs. Trade with us or don't we're still going to beat your ass
If it was Mazi, the Chiefs wouldn't have traded with Dallas. They would have traded past Dallas.

They were trying to get ahead of Doug Peterson and Jacksonville, who drafted Anton Harrison.

Harrison is a tackle, he played OL at Oklahoma, and was widely regarded as a good LT prospect (even though Jax has moved him over to RT). And he ended up being drafted by a former Andy Reid lieutenant. Shortly after the draft, the Chiefs signed Donovan Smith.

Harrison was the guy they were after.

RealSNR 08-25-2023 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 17073044)
If it was Mazi, the Chiefs wouldn't have traded with Dallas. They would have traded past Dallas.

They were trying to get ahead of Doug Peterson and Jacksonville, who drafted Anton Harrison.

Harrison is a tackle, he played OL at Oklahoma, and was widely regarded as a good LT prospect (even though Jax has moved him over to RT). And he ended up being drafted by a former Andy Reid lieutenant. Shortly after the draft, the Chiefs signed Donovan Smith.

Harrison was the guy they were after.
I know who Anton Harrison is.

Direckshun 08-25-2023 11:36 AM
I guess I should say he was a guy they were after.

I'd bet money they were sold on Zay Flowers and probably Mazi Smith, too.

RealSNR 08-25-2023 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by RockChalk (Post 17073019)
LOL. Why the **** do they still let JJ be the main dude for the draft? He doesn't know shit. "I..I..I'm not trying to influence anybody in here"....dude, you're the owner. Nobody is going to argue against you.

No wonder that franchise hasn't won shit in 30 years.
I don't know who the hell is making the actual calls on draft day, but the Cowboys somehow are probably among the top 10 teams at drafting.

Direckshun 08-25-2023 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17073050)
I know who Anton Harrison is.
DO YOU??? DO YOU THOUGH

Direckshun 08-25-2023 11:38 AM
I will also say: I called this, in the Draft Forum.

Mazi Smith would have been my pick in this draft, but he's not going to be good in Dallas. They have no idea what to do with him.

RockChalk 08-25-2023 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17073057)
I don't know who the hell is making the actual calls on draft day, but the Cowboys somehow are probably among the top 10 teams at drafting.
And it has translated to absolutely nothing

RealSNR 08-25-2023 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 17073058)
DO YOU??? DO YOU THOUGH
Yes, and it's a bit weird to me that Donovan Smith went until after the draft before somebody signed him. It's almost like Veach had the deal worked out in principle prior to the draft, and Smith's team was cool with KC waiting until after the draft to sign so that the Chiefs wouldn't get dinged on the comp pick formula.

BTW, Donovan Smith is a tackle who plays for the Kansas City Chiefs. They are a professional football team in Kansas City, MO.

Direckshun 08-25-2023 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17073073)
Yes, and it's a bit weird to me that Donovan Smith went until after the draft before somebody signed him. It's almost like Veach had the deal worked out in principle prior to the draft, and Smith's team was cool with KC waiting until after the draft to sign so that the Chiefs wouldn't get dinged on the comp pick formula.

BTW, Donovan Smith is a tackle who plays for the Kansas City Chiefs. They are a professional football team in Kansas City, MO.
I have absolutely no idea how Veach made the Donovan Smith acquisition happen, after the draft, in May. And it's working out?!

What kind of voodoo did the Chiefs practice to pull that off. He looks, right now, like he may be a better tackle this year than Orlando Brown looked last year.

loochy 08-25-2023 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17072946)
Probably Mazi.

Whatevs. Trade with us or don't we're still going to beat your ass

except we won't


because we don't play them this year


and they aren't making the super bowl

JPH83 08-25-2023 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Abba-Dabba (Post 17073008)
Thankfully that didn't happen. Was never really on the Mazi Smith train. I was firmly on the Keeanu Benton and Karl Brooks train.
Yep Brooks in the 6th looked a steal and he's been good preseason too apparently

Pasta Little Brioni 08-25-2023 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 17073064)
I will also say: I called this, in the Draft Forum.

Mazi Smith would have been my pick in this draft, but he's not going to be good in Dallas. They have no idea what to do with him.
You don't know shit....

Sassy Squatch 08-25-2023 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 17073081)
I have absolutely no idea how Veach made the Donovan Smith acquisition happen, after the draft, in May. And it's working out?!

What kind of voodoo did the Chiefs practice to pull that off. He looks, right now, like he may be a better tackle this year than Orlando Brown looked last year.
He's much smarter than all of us. That's why.

xztop123 08-25-2023 12:39 PM
Mazi I’m sure.

I’ve said this for a while now veach obviously highly values players with big squat numbers. And mazi has some of the biggest that’s entered into the league in a while.

DJ's left nut 08-25-2023 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RockChalk (Post 17073019)
LOL. Why the **** do they still let JJ be the main dude for the draft? He doesn't know shit. "I..I..I'm not trying to influence anybody in here"....dude, you're the owner. Nobody is going to argue against you.

No wonder that franchise hasn't won shit in 30 years.
"Will nobody rid me of this meddlesome priest!"

C'mon, Jerrah - let's be real here...

Rainbarrel 08-25-2023 12:46 PM
Jerry collecting on an old neighbor bet. Talk about me for borrowing that cup of toast points

DJ's left nut 08-25-2023 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 17073132)
Yep Brooks in the 6th looked a steal and he's been good preseason too apparently
I was really fascinated by the 2nd/3rd day interior DL talent.

Coburn, Benton, Roy, Clark, Ika, Dexter - there were a BUNCH of intriguing DT options.

That's why I was pretty adamantly opposed to Mazi in the 1st - I just didn't see enough separation between him and guys we could probably get on day 3.

I think I'd still rather have Anton over Uzi, but I am liking what I see from FAU a TON. Things worked out pretty well and if Wanya ends up being even a 4-year strong swing OT guy, that's a hell of a good use of that 3rd rounder that we didn't give up to move up.

This thread ended up being pretty spot on, really. Mecca even pegged the Cowboys taking Mazi at 26. But Coburn was one of the reasons I didn't want to jump early for a NT:

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16867420)
You don't think someone like Coburn couldn't be had in the 3rd? Keanu Benton?

I think there are a LOT of 3rd/4th round DTs in this draft, actually. Even quite a few with inside/outside potential. Jerrod Clark, DJ Dale, Jacob Slade, Cam Young, PJ Mustipher, Broderic Martin; presumably a few more...

And no, not all of them will slide that far, but some will. And maybe some guys we don't expect to fall into the 3rd like Karl Brooks or Jaquelin Roy. I think Brooks is a GREAT fit and since he didn't get invited to the combine could easily stay under the radar and slide to us in the 3rd and potentially even the 4th.

Nah - we can easily find a nice player in the middle rounds, IMO. There's decent depth at IDL in this draft, IMO. Not amazing, but solid.

Chief Roundup 08-25-2023 12:48 PM
The move would have been for Anton Harrison or Myles Murphy.

morphius 08-25-2023 12:57 PM
I fully believed we were after an OT in the first round, signed a RT to an expensive deal, then get the LT cheap to balance it out.

Balto 08-25-2023 01:00 PM
Jerry..Bergeron didn't go off the board until pick #38!!! He could have made the trade.

Kellerfox 08-25-2023 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073225)
I was really fascinated by the 2nd/3rd day interior DL talent.

Coburn, Benton, Roy, Clark, Ika, Dexter - there were a BUNCH of intriguing DT options.

That's why I was pretty adamantly opposed to Mazi in the 1st - I just didn't see enough separation between him and guys we could probably get on day 3.

I think I'd still rather have Anton over Uzi, but I am liking what I see from FAU a TON. Things worked out pretty well and if Wanya ends up being even a 4-year strong swing OT guy, that's a hell of a good use of that 3rd rounder that we didn't give up to move up.

This thread ended up being pretty spot on, really. Mecca even pegged the Cowboys taking Mazi at 26. But Coburn was one of the reasons I didn't want to jump early for a NT:
This. Thank you for saving me from typing out the same message.

Dunerdr 08-25-2023 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17073009)
If it were me it would have been Anton Harrison, who has looked very good for the Jags thus far.

Cowboys reporters tweeted we wanted Mazi and that's why we got turned down. Nate Taylor was talking about Mazi Smith for weeks before the draft for a reason..
The fact that Nate was talking about Mazi makes me think it was Harrison. He was so confident in Mazi like someone told him point blank. I dont think the Chiefs scouting dept would ever make that mistake. I think hes just a pawn but thinks hes a real insider.

Demonpenz 08-25-2023 01:04 PM
This has alot to do with the christ jones situation

DJ's left nut 08-25-2023 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Kellerfox (Post 17073255)
This. Thank you for saving me from typing out the same message.
It's the benefit of the CP Mock (and curse). We end up on record for just about everyone. I took Coburn in the 5th for Seattle. Motor worried me a bit but he flashed starting caliber upside.

Balto 08-25-2023 01:09 PM
I'd honestly say Bresee who went a few spots after Mazi is more of a Spags guy. I agree I'd say Veach was trying to get Harrison.

Kiimo 08-25-2023 01:14 PM
When he takes a bath do you think he constantly makes the joke "time for some Mazi ball soup!"

Dunerdr 08-25-2023 01:21 PM
Man I wanted Zay or Murphy so ****ing bad. But Felix has really impressed me in the preseason so far. He might not be getting home but hes been in the neighborhood plenty.

dlphg9 08-25-2023 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17073256)
The fact that Nate was talking about Mazi makes me think it was Harrison. He was so confident in Mazi like someone told him point blank. I dont think the Chiefs scouting dept would ever make that mistake. I think hes just a pawn but thinks hes a real insider.
Yeah Nate doesn't get any actual info. He's more of a writer/journalist than an insider. I don't think there are any insiders that know anything about what's going on inside this organization. They just make big FA signings, but there aren't ever any reports about it. No one was right about what they wanted to do during the off-season.

JPH83 08-25-2023 02:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073225)
I was really fascinated by the 2nd/3rd day interior DL talent.

Coburn, Benton, Roy, Clark, Ika, Dexter - there were a BUNCH of intriguing DT options.

That's why I was pretty adamantly opposed to Mazi in the 1st - I just didn't see enough separation between him and guys we could probably get on day 3.

I think I'd still rather have Anton over Uzi, but I am liking what I see from FAU a TON. Things worked out pretty well and if Wanya ends up being even a 4-year strong swing OT guy, that's a hell of a good use of that 3rd rounder that we didn't give up to move up.

This thread ended up being pretty spot on, really. Mecca even pegged the Cowboys taking Mazi at 26. But Coburn was one of the reasons I didn't want to jump early for a NT:
I thought a few guys like Coburn and Brooks would go earlier, especially the latter given he looks like a guy you might be able to move around. In most of my mocks i was l was looking at DT around R4, sometimes R3, but yeah, with hindsight there was enough talent waaay later than that even.

DJ's left nut 08-25-2023 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 17073451)
I thought a few guys like Coburn and Brooks would go earlier, especially the latter given he looks like a guy you might be able to move around. In most of my mocks i was l was looking at DT around R4, sometimes R3, but yeah, with hindsight there was enough talent waaay later than that even.
I think I took Clark in the 3rd and I believe he went 7th.

Run-Stuffers have NO value in the draft.

So if you take a guy like Smith and he doesn't develop his pass rush, he's a 3rd day pick. You're putting so much projection into a prospect like that.

O.city 08-25-2023 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17073473)
I think I took Clark in the 3rd and I believe he went 7th.

Run-Stuffers have NO value in the draft.

So if you take a guy like Smith and he doesn't develop his pass rush, he's a 3rd day pick. You're putting so much projection into a prospect like that.
Then when he does turn into an elite player, you won’t wanna pay him anyway

BigCatDaddy 08-25-2023 03:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 17073000)
Just what in the **** does this have to do with Chris Jones?
Like Mazi Smith, Chris Jones didn't do much his rookie year.

T-post Tom 08-25-2023 10:49 PM
I was waiting for Jerry Jones to snap, “You’re fired!” It just had that vibe.

PunkinDrublic 08-25-2023 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17073057)
I don't know who the hell is making the actual calls on draft day, but the Cowboys somehow are probably among the top 10 teams at drafting.
No they’re not.

BossChief 08-25-2023 11:52 PM
Flowers.

ThyKingdomCome15 08-26-2023 01:08 AM
We may have lucked out. Felix is looking good.

ThyKingdomCome15 08-26-2023 02:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 17073044)
If it was Mazi, the Chiefs wouldn't have traded with Dallas. They would have traded past Dallas.

They were trying to get ahead of Doug Peterson and Jacksonville, who drafted Anton Harrison.

Harrison is a tackle, he played OL at Oklahoma, and was widely regarded as a good LT prospect (even though Jax has moved him over to RT). And he ended up being drafted by a former Andy Reid lieutenant. Shortly after the draft, the Chiefs signed Donovan Smith.

Harrison was the guy they were after.
If I recall correctly they did try to trade up with multiple teams. No one wanted to deal with Veach in the first round.

RealSNR 08-26-2023 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 17073947)
No they’re not.
They tend to nail their 1st round picks.

No, not always. No team does that. But they're probably above the average in that department.

That's just as important as finding a diamond in the rough or two every year. You can't just **** off your 1st round picks.


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