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Tribal Warfare 09-22-2023 03:52 PM

Nick Bolton & Richie James are designated as OUT of the Bears game
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Isiah Pacheco, Willie Gay, and Kadarius Toney are questionable for Sunday&#39;s game.<br><br>Nick Bolton and Richie James are out.</p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1705313508122837488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs place WR Richie James (knee) on IR<a href="https://t.co/O3RQFpA6em">https://t.co/O3RQFpA6em</a> <a href="https://t.co/4xnpfgTADd">pic.twitter.com/4xnpfgTADd</a></p>&mdash; Around The NFL (@AroundTheNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AroundTheNFL/status/1705735485505798591?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Eleazar 09-22-2023 03:53 PM

It's the Bears. wbf

FloridaMan88 09-22-2023 03:54 PM

Dick James’ shitty punt returns will not be missed.

FlaChief58 09-22-2023 04:01 PM

We still punk them

Pitt Gorilla 09-22-2023 04:06 PM

Honestly didn't know Bolton was hurt.

Hoover 09-22-2023 04:07 PM

So who is going to return kicks?

okiedokieokoye 09-22-2023 04:18 PM

Justin Watson on kick duty, Tranquill on tackling duty, and perhaps an uptick in looks for Justyn Ross on wide receiver duty?

TEX 09-22-2023 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 17123403)
So who is going to return kicks?

Anyone is better than James.

Megatron96 09-22-2023 04:24 PM

Near certainty it will be Justin Watson on return duties. He may not run a lot, but vs. CHI we don't need any return yards. Just field the thing reliably and don't make any dumb decisions are all that's needed for this game.

tredadda 09-22-2023 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17123430)
Anyone is better than James.

Skyy Moore?

DRM08 09-22-2023 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 17123403)
So who is going to return kicks?

I prefer to let the ball go on punts. Mahomes at the 1 yard line is better than fumbling the punt return.

FloridaMan88 09-22-2023 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17123441)
I prefer to let the ball go on punts. Mahomes at the 1 yard line is better than fumbling the punt return.

Agreed or reliable Watson fair catching everything as the next best option.

royr17 09-22-2023 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17123437)
Near certainty it will be Justin Watson on return duties. He may not run a lot, but vs. CHI we don't need any return yards. Just field the thing reliably and don't make any dumb decisions are all that's needed for this game.

Deneric Prince possibly elevated for kick returns or montrell washington

Megatron96 09-22-2023 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by royr17 (Post 17123463)
Deneric Prince possibly elevated for kick returns or montrell washington



Eh, okay, sure. Doubt anyone's worried about their punter or their coverage unit making a game-changing play in this one. We could put nearly anyone back there, even allow for a couple fumbles, and it wouldn't change the outcome of the game probably.


I just would put someone back there reliable. But there's no real reason to be super-conservative about it.

KCJake 09-22-2023 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 17123378)
It's the Bears. wbf

Wood burning fireplace ?

TLO 09-22-2023 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 17123403)
So who is going to return kicks?

Put Watson on PR duty and have him fair catch it every time.

jerryaldini 09-22-2023 04:58 PM

Saw an article that James will probably miss several weeks, with Watson taking return duties.

IowaHawkeyeChief 09-22-2023 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17123430)
Anyone is better than James.

My God, the ball got lost in the sun...

Jewish Rabbi 09-22-2023 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCJake (Post 17123480)
Wood burning fireplace ?

White Boys ****ing

Bump 09-22-2023 05:11 PM

what happened to Bolton? At least we're deep at LB but Bolton is the man in the middle but it's the bears. Just hope he gets back to 100% asap

RealSNR 09-22-2023 05:12 PM

Justyn Ross time.

Pitt Gorilla 09-22-2023 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17123440)
Skyy Moore?

AFCCG Hero Skyy Moore?

493rd 09-22-2023 05:24 PM

This is just the type of game that ends up closer than anyone expects. Bears are a bad team, but desperate.

kysirsoze 09-22-2023 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 493rd (Post 17123512)
This is just the type of game that ends up closer than anyone expects. Bears are a bad team, but desperate.

I'm not worried at all, but if Fields was ever gonna dig deep and try to ball out, this is the game.

TLO 09-22-2023 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 493rd (Post 17123512)
This is just the type of game that ends up closer than anyone expects. Bears are a bad team, but desperate.

I doubt it

Womble 09-22-2023 05:53 PM

Having Bolton out would be a huge loss against any semi-decent team. But the bears aren't semi-decent or even semi-dogshit. They were the worst team I had the displeasure of watching last year and not much has changed. They are shite. Plus their city is a shite hole. I hope any chiefs travelling to Chicago get out of there safely.

notorious 09-22-2023 05:58 PM

I thought Bolton was indestructible.

Gary Cooper 09-22-2023 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 17123403)
So who is going to return kicks?

Forrest Gump was pretty good.

phisherman 09-22-2023 07:07 PM

Tranquill, Gay and Chenal will be fine.

Gary Cooper 09-22-2023 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phisherman (Post 17123629)
Tranquill, Gay and Chenal will be fine.

Two white guys and another named Gay. This doesn't bode well.

kevrunner 09-22-2023 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17123430)
Anyone is better than James.

I was looking at James’s career punt return history, he has a total of 81 punt returns with 8 loss fumbles. He did have one great year, 2019, he didn’t fumble at all in 32 chances, all the other years he has averaged 1 loss fumble every 6 chances. Wonder how he did so good in 2019 compared to all his other years of returning punts.

RunKC 09-22-2023 08:56 PM

I think they might bring up Montrell Washington from the PS to do returns

Why Not? 09-22-2023 09:09 PM

Michael Bolton and Rick James could be in and we would still crush this week.

staylor26 09-22-2023 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17123711)
I think they might bring up Montreal Washington from the PS to do returns

Good call. I could definitely see that.

RealSNR 09-22-2023 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17123711)
I think they might bring up Montrell Washington from the PS to do returns

I would shit in Knowmo's mouth SO HARD if that happened and he scored for us LMAO LMAO

Mosbonian 09-22-2023 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17123488)
My God, the ball got lost in the sun...

First of all...if his job is to return punts and Kickoffs his pregame routine should have included scoping out issues that might arise with where the sun could be.

Second....the moment he lost sight of the ball his first instinct should have been to get away.

EPodolak 09-22-2023 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevrunner (Post 17123635)
I was looking at James’s career punt return history, he has a total of 81 punt returns with 8 loss fumbles. He did have one great year, 2019, he didn’t fumble at all in 32 chances, all the other years he has averaged 1 loss fumble every 6 chances. Wonder how he did so good in 2019 compared to all his other years of returning punts.

That average is good enough to bat ninth for the Royals.

Rain Man 09-22-2023 10:29 PM

All of the guys on the injury list have those injuries that can be nagging - toes, hamstrings, etc. That's worrisome.

And in other news, Marcedes Lewis is still in the league? That's astounding. I think he predates the creation of the tight end position.

Buehler445 09-22-2023 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 17123399)
Honestly didn't know Bolton was hurt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Womble (Post 17123550)
Having Bolton out would be a huge loss against any semi-decent team. But the bears aren't semi-decent or even semi-dogshit. They were the worst team I had the displeasure of watching last year and not much has changed. They are shite. Plus their city is a shite hole. I hope any chiefs travelling to Chicago get out of there safely.

Busted up his ankle in the Jags game. The way he limped off I thought he would be out. But he strapped up and made plays.

Simply Red 09-22-2023 11:22 PM

I'll say this, Moore played Tyson Campbell like a ****ing piano on that TD. That was a good play (after rewatching it.)

BWillie 09-22-2023 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevrunner (Post 17123635)
I was looking at James’s career punt return history, he has a total of 81 punt returns with 8 loss fumbles. He did have one great year, 2019, he didn’t fumble at all in 32 chances, all the other years he has averaged 1 loss fumble every 6 chances. Wonder how he did so good in 2019 compared to all his other years of returning punts.

If you have a good offense there isn't even really a benefit of fielding a punt. Especially if you have a 10+ point lead in the 2nd half...never ever field a punt. Dont even put anyone back there.

Simply Red 09-22-2023 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17123814)
If you have a good offense there isn't even really a benefit of fielding a punt. Especially if you have a 10+ point lead in the 2nd half...never ever field a punt. Dont even put anyone back there.

I'm mad at Richie right now, but I'm giving him more chance. I feel like he'll have a 100+ yeard banger sooner rather than later. But if that piece of shit coughs up the ball again I'll drive to KC and punch his ass in the arm super hard over and over!

Imon Yourside 09-23-2023 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 17123819)
I'm mad at Richie right now, but I'm giving him more chance. I feel like he'll have a 100+ yeard banger sooner rather than later. But if that piece of shit coughs up the ball again I'll drive to KC and punch his ass in the arm super hard over and over!

He deserves it, we deserve it, the football itself deserves it.

scho63 09-23-2023 01:22 AM

Hope Bolton's ankle injury is a mild sprain and not a high ankle issue.

kjwood75nro 09-23-2023 01:36 AM

If the best option for ST is Justin Watson fair-catching ST kicks, then why TF is Toub still employed?

BWillie 09-23-2023 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjwood75nro (Post 17123838)
If the best option for ST is Justin Watson fair-catching ST kicks, then why TF is Toub still employed?

Can anyone point me to any math of the expected points gained per punt return for a fair catch, a return and a not even fielded punt? If it causes a turnover every 5%-7% of plays I dont get why teams try to return it. Thesedays almost nobody is doing a good job of getting alot of yards on punt returns. Special teams coverage is more solved than ever. I feel like unless you are behind in a football game the strategy may be to not even have someone field the thing but Ive never seen math done. Not just rhe avg return...it needs to take into account the turnover rate as well.

ping2000 09-23-2023 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Womble (Post 17123550)
Having Bolton out would be a huge loss against any semi-decent team. But the bears aren't semi-decent or even semi-dogshit. They were the worst team I had the displeasure of watching last year and not much has changed. They are shite. Plus their city is a shite hole. I hope any chiefs travelling to Chicago get out of there safely.

I also pray for any Chiefs traveling to Chicago, since they would miss the game they are playing in Kansas City.

kjwood75nro 09-23-2023 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17123842)
Can anyone point me to any math of the expected points gained per punt return for a fair catch, a return and a not even fielded punt? If it causes a turnover every 5%-7% of plays I dont get why teams try to return it. Thesedays almost nobody is doing a good job of getting alot of yards on punt returns. Special teams coverage is more solved than ever. I feel like unless you are behind in a football game the strategy may be to not even have someone field the thing but Ive never seen math done. Not just rhe avg return...it needs to take into account the turnover rate as well.

I can't provide the math.

What I can provide is the observation that our special teams is, indeed, special, and Toub needs to be held accountable.

InChiefsHeaven 09-23-2023 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ping2000 (Post 17123848)
I also pray for any Chiefs traveling to Chicago, since they would miss the game they are playing in Kansas City.

Beat me to it...

493rd 09-23-2023 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TLO (Post 17123531)
I doubt it

Okay

SithCeNtZ 09-23-2023 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17123842)
Can anyone point me to any math of the expected points gained per punt return for a fair catch, a return and a not even fielded punt? If it causes a turnover every 5%-7% of plays I dont get why teams try to return it. Thesedays almost nobody is doing a good job of getting alot of yards on punt returns. Special teams coverage is more solved than ever. I feel like unless you are behind in a football game the strategy may be to not even have someone field the thing but Ive never seen math done. Not just rhe avg return...it needs to take into account the turnover rate as well.

From what I could find, historically you have about a 1.5% chance of losing a fumbled punt. So on average you probably lose 1-2 a year, which seems about right. I don't have the math in front of me, but I imagine the loss of yards by never attempting to catch a ball would outweigh 1-2 possessions a year, especially inside the 20.

Bob Dole 09-23-2023 09:41 AM

With Pops questionable, I fully expect Nagy to emphasize the run game. Get ready.

Dunerdr 09-23-2023 10:54 AM

Early season trials will beat this cold piece of steel into a fiery hot weapon the size of Chris jones’ weapon!

dlphg9 09-23-2023 11:00 AM

Can't believe it took this long for an injury thread. Toney has a chance of missing. Pacheco and Willie Gay are probably good to go.

irafreak 09-23-2023 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SithCeNtZ (Post 17123869)
From what I could find, historically you have about a 1.5% chance of losing a fumbled punt. So on average you probably lose 1-2 a year, which seems about right. I don't have the math in front of me, but I imagine the loss of yards by never attempting to catch a ball would outweigh 1-2 possessions a year, especially inside the 20.

Or the practice from fielding punts allows a team to a have a chance to actually make a big play when needed. Does this team go to the suoerbowl without skyy Moore's punt return? Yeah it cost us the indy game but it was important foe the postseason. Just another perspective...

Wallcrawler 09-23-2023 12:20 PM

Anyone remotely dinged should use this as a bye week. The Bears are a dumpster fire of the highest order. Starters are sitting mid third quarter in this one.

Chief Pagan 09-23-2023 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SithCeNtZ (Post 17123869)
From what I could find, historically you have about a 1.5% chance of losing a fumbled punt. So on average you probably lose 1-2 a year, which seems about right. I don't have the math in front of me, but I imagine the loss of yards by never attempting to catch a ball would outweigh 1-2 possessions a year, especially inside the 20.

If you never attempted to even catch the ball, punters would start punting so the ball would roll and you would get 70 yard punts with rolls.

Or if the punting team was closer, you would end up pinned on your own 1 or 2 yard line.

:hmmm:

Otter 09-23-2023 01:19 PM

Gay & Bolton is gonna hurt.

Otter 09-23-2023 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17124051)
Can't believe it took this long for an injury thread. Toney has a chance of missing. Pacheco and Willie Gay are probably good to go.


I'll be surprised when Toney is 100% and makes it to a consecutive game.

Delano 09-23-2023 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 17124122)
Anyone remotely dinged should use this as a bye week. The Bears are a dumpster fire of the highest order. Starters are sitting mid third quarter in this one.

You were 100% certain the Chiefs would beat the Lions. Are you 150% sure on this one?

RunKC 09-23-2023 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otter (Post 17124180)
Gay & Bolton is gonna hurt.

We'll be fine. Tranquill and Chenal are starter level LB's

Tribal Warfare 09-23-2023 06:13 PM

Richie James Update

Jewish Rabbi 09-23-2023 06:28 PM

Rick James to IR. Justyn Ross SZN!!!

Chiefshrink 09-23-2023 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by okiedokieokoye (Post 17123426)
and perhaps an uptick in looks for Justyn Ross on wide receiver duty?

:clap::clap:

Chiefshrink 09-23-2023 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 17124605)
Rick James to IR.

He IR'd permanently a couple of year ago.;)

ToxSocks 09-23-2023 08:03 PM

14 snaps for Justyn Ross.

Fishels 09-23-2023 10:55 PM

You guys are too hard on James. He lost one ball in the sun. Chill

Shame he won’t play any snaps I hope Rice and Ross emerge


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