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DenverChief 10-12-2023 09:13 PM

A Level Headed Review Week 6 2023
 
1. Chamari Connor - Great open field tackle on 2nd and 1 to force 3rd and 2. Should have been a punt but Bolton was knocked down by the TE and Sneed couldn't get wrapped up as Bolton was on his feet.

2. Justin Reid - great play to sack Wilson on 4th and 3 turning the ball over and then getting the pick on the batted ball. Great player and happy he came here over Tyrann "Business Decisions" Mathieu.

3. Pacheco - once again making the Chiefs look like a competent running team. 3 Carries for 15 yards on the first drive. Every week he gets better and better catch and running. 9 carries for 47 yards in the first half (5.2 YPC). I think one aspect of Pacheco's game that could be improved is that he needs to stick his foot in the ground and turn upfield - I feel like he tries to race the defender to the edge when there is no chance of making it - he just needs to make that stick and go upfield and get 2,3,4 yards. Perfect example of that was the 1st down run in the 4th Q where he lost a yard trying to beat the safety to the corner.

4. Nick Bolton - what an interception. Way to find the route and sit underneath.

5. Patrick - INT ball seemed a bit under thrown - that pocket had really collapsed around him when he threw that ball. Not sure if his arm was clipped on that throw or not, I missed the replay. But I think he waited a wee too long on that play for someone to come open. He didn't even seen the blitzer until the last second on the sack before the 2 min warning. Called the blitz (watch cover 0) but didn't get rid of the ball quickly - cost the Chiefs field position - but Butker comes thru with another booming kick to put us back up 2 scores. On second look of that Jawaan missed that assignment and should have taken the inside guy instead of the outside rusher.

6. Malik Herring - really blew up that 3rd down play by beating the OLineman to the gap and blowing up the running lane for Burton allowing Sneed to help clean up the play.

7. Kelce - Continues to be Kelce. He is Patrick's Binky - guy just knows how to be THE open receiver on the field. (7 Rec for 109 Yards at half) but only two more catches in the second half.

8. Amazon - way to miss the 4th down fake FG play to look at some random coach on the Broncos sideline. I swear we got 2 yards on that Tush Push play but they never showed where the ball ended up at.

9. Montrell Washington - first drop on a punt, willing to give him a pass on this one - he was retreating hard (not drifting back) to catch the ball, that has to be pretty hard. Based upon his prior performance I believe this is more an anomaly than a problem. Exciting 4th Q run back makes up for the miscue earlier even though it was wiped out by a (bogus) penalty.

10 Kadarius Toney - Great to see him get into the end zone. Great rub route by MVS to get him open in the flat. Toney can throw the ball (was a pretty spiral with plenty of distance) too just lucky it wasn't picked throwing into double coverage.

11. Butker - Has continued to be money and that 60 yard field goal would have been good from 70. Incredible leg on that guy - never mind the wind was swirling. We are fortunate to have such a reliable kicker. 52 yarder to seal the deal.

12. Moore - A Moore sighting with a 10 yard reception and a first down....and then disappears again until the last drive with a nice first down catch. I wish I could complain more about this but if all he does is catch first downs when we really need them...he is doing better than MVS

13. Rice - great catch and run on the slant route for a 23 yard gain. Great almost first down on 3rd and 17 - never would have guessed we could have gotten to a 4th and 1 on a WR screen to Rice in that situation. 28 yard reception on 3rd and 2 was just absolutely money. MOAR.

14. Red Zone Offense - a little concerning we seem to be having problems with punching it in the End Zone when in goal to go situations. We seem to move the ball up and down the field well but Red Zone offense is a struggle - need to figure that out. Broncos defense came to play though - I'm sure some of that is due to them fighting for their pride.

15. Jaylen Watson - that PI was horrible, he lost the ball in the air and grabbed Sutton's arm. Great 4th Q play to bat the ball away from the receiver on a go route down the sideline. True form for a CB forget about the last play and go out and make a play on the next one.

16. Trick plays - We just don't seem to be able make the trick plays happen this year. Toney should have handed that ball to Pacheco and they would have had a 1st down. Sometimes being cute too much is - well too much. Just stick with the basics for now. Once we figure out the basics we can bring the cute stuff back.

17. Defense - the Defense has been really good tonight with getting their bear paws in the passing lanes and batting down 4 passes. Getting pressure on Wilson and generally holding the Broncos offense to ineffective until the penalty fest of the last drive. Can't really say enough about the Defense and creating turnovers - a few penalties that need to be cleaned up but for the most part played a really good game - do I dare say our Defense is outplaying our Offense at this point?

18. J Watson - didn't see what the injury was but by the way he was shaking his leg while laying on the ground he was in a tremendous amount of pain. (elbow injury).

19. MVS - has just flat out disappeared (except for a critical crack back block penalty) - no Justyn Ross appearance either.

20. Roughing the Passer - They need to change the rule back to a one step rule - if the defender is within one step of the QB before the ball is released there is no roughing. IDK how Edwards could have not landed on top of the QB if that was any factor in the call - reminiscent of the Chris Jones sack and strip of Carr last year - just asinine interpretation of the rule.

Graystoke 10-12-2023 09:18 PM

#16- we don’t need it, so don’t use it.

And thanks for doing this.

Chris Meck 10-12-2023 09:20 PM

agreed on all counts.

It's time to just feed Rice.

He needs to be playing more snaps than anyone else.

DenverChief 10-12-2023 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17165791)
agreed on all counts.

It's time to just feed Rice.

He needs to be playing more snaps than anyone else.

I'm not sure snaps is the problem - he is learning and growing week by week at this pace he will be our #1 by seasons end in receptions and yards.

Kman34 10-12-2023 09:23 PM

11. must be Toubs coaching..

20. That wasn't roughing the passer..

Graystoke 10-12-2023 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17165791)
agreed on all counts.

It's time to just feed Rice.

He needs to be playing more snaps than anyone else.

I agree, but Rice is a rookie. Is there concern about the length of the NFL season?

Otter 10-12-2023 09:25 PM

I'll add what I can:
  • Rice has the potential to be amazing. Get this lad in the game as much as possible.
  • Pacheco reminds me more of Priest Holmes ever week.
  • I have no idea how Kelce gets open so much when everyone knows what's coming. The guy is amazing.
  • Chris Jones is a top 3 DT.
  • Stop with the trick, fancy stuff on short and give it to Pacheco.
  • Not one penalty on Taylor.

ChiTown 10-12-2023 09:25 PM

re: Roughing Call - how in the **** do you ask a guy who is running full speed to not land on top of the QB. It’s completely unrealistic and defies the laws of science

OKchiefs 10-12-2023 09:25 PM

Random question - is FAU even playing? Almost thought he was inactive tonight.

ChiTown 10-12-2023 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otter (Post 17165843)
I'll add what I can:
  • Rice has the potential to be amazing. Get this lad in the game as much as possible.
  • Pacheco reminds me more of Priest Holmes ever week.
  • I have no idea how Kelce gets open so much when everyone knows what's coming. The guy is amazing.
  • Chris Jones is a top 3 DT.
  • Stop with the trick, fancy stuff on short and give it to Pacheco.
  • Not one penalty on Taylor.

I thought Taylor had a holding penalty. Maybe not

Otter 10-12-2023 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 17165845)
re: Roughing Call - how in the **** do you ask a guy who is running full speed to not land on top of the QB. It’s completely unrealistic and defies the laws of science


Total BS call. You don't have ABS at that speed.

Kman34 10-12-2023 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 17165850)
Random question - is FAU even playing? Almost thought he was inactive tonight.

He's not showing much.. Maybe next year..

DenverChief 10-12-2023 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 17165845)
re: Roughing Call - how in the **** do you ask a guy who is running full speed to not land on top of the QB. It’s completely unrealistic and defies the laws of science

100% agreed and Russell kept him off of him with his knees

Otter 10-12-2023 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 17165851)
I thought Taylor had a holding penalty. Maybe not


He may have and I missed it but he wasn't under the spot light like in the last couple games.

DenverChief 10-12-2023 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 17165851)
I thought Taylor had a holding penalty. Maybe not

2nd & 5 at DEN 42
(12:24 - 2nd) (Shotgun) P.Mahomes pass incomplete deep right [Z.Allen]. PENALTY on KC-J.Taylor, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at DEN 42 - No Play.

Palangi 10-12-2023 09:29 PM

Wharton and Dickerson give us next to nothing at the DT spot. Let Coburn and Farrell play over them.

Palangi 10-12-2023 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 17165877)
2nd & 5 at DEN 42
(12:24 - 2nd) (Shotgun) P.Mahomes pass incomplete deep right [Z.Allen]. PENALTY on KC-J.Taylor, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at DEN 42 - No Play.

It was a soft call

OKchiefs 10-12-2023 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 17165863)
He's not showing much.. Maybe next year..

It’s still early, don’t necessarily expect much, but don’t like that Herring is getting play over him. With Omenihu coming back it’s goito be even harder for him to get on the field.

Gary Cooper 10-12-2023 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 17165850)
Random question - is FAU even playing? Almost thought he was inactive tonight.

Yeah, this forum has been silent on him. Last year at this time, there was plenty of talk about Karlaftis and whether that was a good pick. Most people don't even remember who our #1 pick was in 2023.

Wallcrawler 10-12-2023 09:36 PM

Toss the stupid ****ing trick plays. Just get rid of that dumb bullshit until your normal offense can ****ing function on a competent level against a dumpsterfire of a team.

You have the best ****ing quarterback on the planet.

If you're gonna go for a 4th down, or need a crucial 3rd down, 15 needs to be running the ****ing show. Not Toubs shitty special teams, not Injurious Proney.

It's such a ludicrous ****ing suggestion to start with. Then the bullshit fails and Mahomes has to look on at the inept dumb****ery that was opted for over him running a real play.

You can do this dumb shit against teams like the Jets and Broncos, so get it out of your system now.

Gary Cooper 10-12-2023 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 17165952)
Toss the stupid ****ing trick plays. Just get rid of that dumb bullshit until your normal offense can ****ing function on a competent level against a dumpsterfire of a team.

You have the best ****ing quarterback on the planet.

If you're gonna go for a 4th down, or need a crucial 3rd down, 15 needs to be running the ****ing show. Not Toubs shitty special teams, not Injurious Proney.

It's such a ludicrous ****ing suggestion to start with. Then the bullshit fails and Mahomes has to look on at the inept dumb****ery that was opted for over him running a real play.

You can do this dumb shit against teams like the Jets and Broncos, so get I out of your system now.

Yeah, the QB sneak on 4th and 2 with Noah Grey, and Townsend/Niang pushing him was bizarre.

Kadarius Toney throwing the ball into double coverage to MVS also doesn't seem like a good idea.

Molitoth 10-12-2023 09:38 PM

Sure hands Watson dropped a hell of a pass tonight which was disappointing.

DRM08 10-12-2023 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 17165952)
Toss the stupid ****ing trick plays. Just get rid of that dumb bullshit until your normal offense can ****ing function on a competent level against a dumpsterfire of a team.

You have the best ****ing quarterback on the planet.

If you're gonna go for a 4th down, or need a crucial 3rd down, 15 needs to be running the ****ing show. Not Toubs shitty special teams, not Injurious Proney.

It's such a ludicrous ****ing suggestion to start with. Then the bullshit fails and Mahomes has to look on at the inept dumb****ery that was opted for over him running a real play.

You can do this dumb shit against teams like the Jets and Broncos, so get I out of your system now.

I have no idea what Andy was thinking on 4th and 2. Field goal with Butker and a good defense is not the worst result in the world.

DenverChief 10-12-2023 09:40 PM

So if Watsons injury is serious that puts us at Toney, Rice, Moore, MVS, Ross and Washington who has only played ST.

DenverChief 10-12-2023 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17165961)
Yeah, the QB sneak on 4th and 2 with Noah Grey, and Townsend/Niang pushing him was bizarre.

Kadarius Toney throwing the ball into double coverage to MVS also doesn't seem like a good idea.

It was a pretty pass - just ill advised

Palangi 10-12-2023 09:50 PM

We are so bland on offense. We have no explosive plays anymore.

alanm 10-12-2023 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 17165964)
Sure hands Watson dropped a hell of a pass tonight which was disappointing.

You know what I was thinking? That the ball hit right off the top of his middle finger on his right hand as he was going for it. He may have either jammed it or broken it.

Couch-Potato 10-12-2023 10:32 PM

We should put Toney back on PR and KR

ShortRoundChief 10-12-2023 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17166163)
We should put Toney back on PR and KR

Or in New York….

DenverChief 10-12-2023 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanm (Post 17166045)
You know what I was thinking? That the ball hit right off the top of his middle finger on his right hand as he was going for it. He may have either jammed it or broken it.

They reported it was an elbow injury. His leg was shaking like crazy when he was down on the ground. It was incredibly painful.

DenverChief 10-12-2023 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 17166170)
Or in New York….

Booo. Give the man a chance. So soon we forget his Super Bowl contributions

Hammock Parties 10-12-2023 10:55 PM

Now that teams know Toney is a threat to throw it will open up stuff.

They have to honor downfield routes if there's a trick play.

Hammock Parties 10-12-2023 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 17165952)
Toss the stupid ****ing trick plays. Just get rid of that dumb bullshit until your normal offense can ****ing function on a competent level against a dumpsterfire of a team.

How is 400 yards not competent?

No, they should work on the trick stuff. It will manufacture the big plays we are missing.

BigRedChief 10-12-2023 10:59 PM

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I know Andy doesn’t like letting rookie WR’s start or get a lot of snaps but maybe he needs to rethink that strategy this year. Not saying I’m smarter than Reid. He’s a HOF coach. I’m just a fan. But, anyway…..

Starting line up at WR should be MVS, Rice and Toney. Rice can be a game breaker with his speed. He’s getting open all the time.

Quit doing the gadget plays with Toney. Stop the jet sweeps, it hasn’t worked one time this year. Toney has been pretty good as a WR this year.

Ross should be getting more snaps and more targets. Look at the All-22. Every game he is open for a TD. He’s consistently getting open a lot. Here’s an easy touchdown when Mahomes is looking right at him.

Hammock Parties 10-12-2023 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 17165979)
So if Watsons injury is serious that puts us at Toney, Rice, Moore, MVS, Ross and Washington who has only played ST.

There is no reason not to bring back Hardman.

He can do gadget shit better than Toney, and frees Toney up to be a real WR.

And Hardman can pull in the odd deep ball. He always had fairly decent deep chemistry with Mahomes. It was shorter routes he never was any good at.

BigRedChief 10-12-2023 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17166163)
We should put Toney back on PR and KR

Look at the All-22. Toney is getting open as a WR.

Jamie 10-12-2023 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17165961)
Yeah, the QB sneak on 4th and 2 with Noah Grey, and Townsend/Niang pushing him was bizarre.

I actually don't have a problem with taking Mahomes out for QB sneaks, but we have to stop turning it into these dumbass trick plays. Just line it up and tush push like a normal team.

Eleazar 10-12-2023 11:11 PM

I think it should it matter that Russ is fatter than the guy who supposedly powerbombed him

Shag 10-12-2023 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17166197)
I know Andy doesn’t like letting rookie WR’s start or get a lot of snaps but maybe he needs to rethink that strategy this year. Not saying I’m smarter than Reid. He’s a HOF coach. I’m just a fan. But, anyway…..

Starting line up at WR should be MVS, Rice and Toney. Rice can be a game breaker with his speed. He’s getting open all the time.

Quit doing the gadget plays with Toney. Stop the jet sweeps, it hasn’t worked one time this year. Toney has been pretty good as a WR this year.

Ross should be getting more snaps and more targets. Look at the All-22. Every game he is open for a TD. He’s consistently getting open a lot. Here’s an easy touchdown when Mahomes is looking right at him.

How many times are you going to pass twitter content off as you viewing the all-22?

Hammock Parties 10-12-2023 11:40 PM

JUST LAST SEASON, Eagles won:

24-7
24-8
20-17
17-16
25-20

This season, they have 3 such games scoring 25 or fewer points.

The 49ers:

24-9
22-16
13-0
21-13
19-12

And don't get me started on Bills

It's fine for KC to win games this way.

The only thing that matters is winning.

mschiefs1984 10-13-2023 12:22 AM

Outside of Kelce, Rice was the biggest bright spot on the offense.

Defense what can you say they were just OUTSTANDING. Spaggs has done a hell of a job with this group

Playcalling was crappy at times. I am ok with going for it on 4th and 2 but you have the MVP at QB put the ball in his hands. Even when he is not having the best of games it's always a better option than putting it in a back up TE's hands.

We really have to stop being so afraid to run a sneak with Mahomes. It has been 4 years now. Lots of teams have run sneaks and been fine. Yes he got hurt on that 1 time but that is a very rare event. Stop being so freaking wimpy about it. If you don't want Mahomes to run a sneak than run a normal play this trick BS doesn't work often and isn't going to suddenly start working.

10 days until the next game. We now have a mini bye week after this short week I am willing to bet that the offense will look a lot better next week.

Buehler445 10-13-2023 12:24 AM

A few things.

I think MVS running opens up the shit underneath that we're wrecking shit with. It'll be interesting if they pull coverage down.

LOL @ Donko killing Kelce. He has a bum ankle. And he embarrassed these twats. Roll coverage with Surtain and double team him. Nah. I'll take a first. Kelce at 34 is better than 26. That's ****ing incredible. I don't even.....

**** these dirty ****ing twats. 47 was trying to headhunt Kelce early. Luckily Kelce saw it coming and got down and the dude totally whiffed. Refs should have taken notice. NOPE. Pacheco gets tackled by his helmet. Refs should have called it. NOPE. Pacheco gets jacked the **** out of bounds - looked late. Refs call anything? Even if it's a makeup call? NOPE. And who here is shocked that Donko bitch **** is trying to gator roll with Kelces hurt ankle? NOPE. **** off bitches. **** off Hochuli. Your dad was a **** and you are too. Like my ****ing ass. Plus, WE WERE AT HOME. **** I hate dirty shit. Hit hard sure, but **** off with headhunting.

Offense played like nutsack and we covered a double digit spread. **** Donk Forever.

mschiefs1984 10-13-2023 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17166227)
JUST LAST SEASON, Eagles won:

24-7
24-8
20-17
17-16
25-20

This season, they have 3 such games scoring 25 or fewer points.

The 49ers:

24-9
22-16
13-0
21-13
19-12

And don't get me started on Bills

It's fine for KC to win games this way.

The only thing that matters is winning.

Even more with a short week division game

Best22 10-13-2023 12:54 AM

That interception was unnecessary

Throw it away, take the sack, whatever. We can’t afford to have him force balls up there.

Extremely happy with the win otherwise.

16-0

Buehler445 10-13-2023 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Best22 (Post 17166256)
That interception was unnecessary

Throw it away, take the sack, whatever. We can’t afford to have him force balls up there.

Extremely happy with the win otherwise.

16-0

His arm got hit.

The replays were ass. Real time, I thought a dude had his leg. He needs to get the ball on the dirt. Even if its grounding it's still makeable FG.

But his arm got hit, and he's done some otherworldly shit, so I'm certainly open to the idea that he may have made something happen if his arm was clean.

Buehler445 10-13-2023 01:51 AM

Another point that should be said every time. We can't learn shit from Thursday games. They suck. Invariably.

DRM08 10-13-2023 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 17166264)
His arm got hit.

The replays were ass. Real time, I thought a dude had his leg. He needs to get the ball on the dirt. Even if its grounding it's still makeable FG.

But his arm got hit, and he's done some otherworldly shit, so I'm certainly open to the idea that he may have made something happen if his arm was clean.

He told the media after the game that he was trying to throw the ball away, but the Denver guy disrupted it. Needed to get rid of it sooner than he did.

srvy 10-13-2023 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 17165850)
Random question - is FAU even playing? Almost thought he was inactive tonight.

Maybe he was a bad boy and was disciplinary. Just seemed strange that he didn't get into the game.

KC_Lee 10-13-2023 07:00 AM

I keep getting this nagging / hopeful feeling that Andy is holding back on offense in order to not 'tip his hand' to teams like Miami, Philly or Buffalo.

crayzkirk 10-13-2023 07:13 AM

I thought both sides played well; the Broncos were clearly motivated to end the streak. The DL gave our OL some troubles and they were content to drop 7 in zone and keep things in front of them. While I can understand the trick plays and wanting to keep the game 'fun', sometimes, I believe, you just need to line up and play football.

It appears that our WRs have trouble getting open; unfortunately, the TV broadcast doesn't show the downfield view and I'm disappointed in the Amazon coverage. No report on the injury or replays of penalties.

Chiefs 19
Zebras 8

seamonster 10-13-2023 07:24 AM

Thursday night games are always gross. Neither team has any time to game plan. Usually at least one team comes out flat. Chiefs were that team. They looked discombobulated. Reid is like one stubborn SOB and keeps trotting out that cocky horses ass Skyye Moore over Rice -- whose a killer -- and calling moronic complicated high school trick plays on 3rd and one. It's infuriating. But that defense is more than capable and won the game and I was wrong about Harrison Butker. He could have made a 68 yard field goal last night and I'm glad the team didn't impulsively bench or try out other kickers last year. He'll be needed.

AdolfOliverBush 10-13-2023 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 17166246)
**** off Hochuli. Your dad was a **** and you are too. Like my ****ing ass.

That bundle of sticks probably would. LMAO

TEX 10-13-2023 08:18 AM

The Chiefs are still a Top 5 team and the Defense has improved. But the offense just isn’t getting it done right now at a normal KC level, and this offense won’t beat the Niners or Eagles or Dolphins. Only one consistent difference maker at the skill positions. Will be interesting to see if/how they get that “fixed”.

jettio 10-13-2023 08:35 AM

Yung Joka looked selfish on that read option. The edge guy is looking right at him and standing still and Yung Joka kept the ball. I suppose he wants to make a splash on his limited snaps, but that was selfish.

That play and the fake FG and Jawaan Taylor letting a free runner inside on a zero blitz to block nobody in particular were the WTF plays last night, but no worries.

Molitoth 10-13-2023 08:44 AM

The Chiefs moved the ball up and down the field and only really stalled in the red zone with trickery bullshit "razzle dazzle" plays.

Not sure where "the Chiefs came out flat" is coming from.

That said, the Chiefs Oline got their shit pushed in during the Vikings game and it's possible Andy just doesn't believe they can get the job done on 3rd and short handing the ball off to Pacheco.
I'd still rather have Mahomes with the ball in hand than having Toney throw the ball, or have Noah Gray taking snaps.

AdolfOliverBush 10-13-2023 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 17166625)
The Chiefs moved the ball up and down the field and only really stalled in the red zone with trickery bullshit "razzle dazzle" plays.

Not sure where "the Chiefs came out flat" is coming from.

That said, the Chiefs Oline got their shit pushed in during the Vikings game and it's possible Andy just doesn't believe they can get the job done on 3rd and short handing the ball off to Pacheco.
I'd still rather have Mahomes with the ball in hand than having Toney throw the ball, or have Noah Gray taking snaps.

Hell, I'd rather see a handoff to Chris Jones than either of those things.

jettio 10-13-2023 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 17166625)
The Chiefs moved the ball up and down the field and only really stalled in the red zone with trickery bullshit "razzle dazzle" plays.

Not sure where "the Chiefs came out flat" is coming from.

That said, the Chiefs Oline got their shit pushed in during the Vikings game and it's possible Andy just doesn't believe they can get the job done on 3rd and short handing the ball off to Pacheco.
I'd still rather have Mahomes with the ball in hand than having Toney throw the ball, or have Noah Gray taking snaps.

Andy Reid always cares about what is put on tape for tendencies.

Chiefs play Broncos again in two weeks.

If Chiefs had a fourth down short yardage in a crucial time in a crucial game, they will run their best plays for that situation.

Frosty 10-13-2023 09:49 AM

The most WTF moment of the game was when Mahomes took off on a third down play and was approaching the line to gain and 27 of the Broncos decided to run to McKinnon instead of tackling Mahomes. McKinnon was a couple yards to the side of Mahomes at that point, not in front.

The second most WTF moment of last night was all the people on Reddit claiming 27 did it because he was afraid of getting a "touching the Mahomes" penalty. I can't even tell you the last time Mahomes drew a roughing the passer penalty. Maybe they are referring to the Bengals game where they hit him way out of bounds?

DenverChief 10-13-2023 10:13 AM

Snap counts (minus 100%)

Offense:
Kelce 47 Snaps 68%
Pacheco 44 Snaps 64%
Gray 39 Snaps 57%
MVS 39 Snaps 57%
Moore 36 Snaps 52%
Rice 33 Snaps 48%
Toney 29 Snaps 42%
Watson 28 Snaps 41%
McKinnon 18 Snaps 26%
Bell 14 Snaps 20%
CEH 9 Snaps 13%
Ross 9 Snaps 13%

Defense:
Reid 49 Snaps 98%
McDuffie 46 Snaps 92%
Danna 45 Snaps 90%
Bolton 44 Snaps 88%
Jones 44 Snaps 88%
Cook 41 Snaps 82%
Gay 34 Snaps 68%
Karlaftis 31 Snaps 62%
Nnadi 24 Snaps 48%
Watson 23 Snaps 46%
Edwards 20 Snaps 40%
Herring 19 Snaps 38%
Tranquill 19 Snaps 38%
Chenal 18 Snaps 36%
Wharton 16 Snaps 32%
Williams 10 Snaps 20%
Dickerson 7 Snaps 14%
FAU 5 Snaps 10%
Connor 5 Snaps 10%

Hammock Parties 10-13-2023 10:25 AM

best receivers not even playing 75% of the snaps on offense yet LMAO

not worried at all

displacedinMN 10-13-2023 11:35 AM

agree with the trick plays

I have said "we are not playing well enough for that trick play"

If we are up 25 and killing them----fine.

Andy wants the trick play as a back breaker when it is close. We dont need those as much, we have other weapons.

FloridaMan88 10-13-2023 11:41 AM

MVS zero targets on 39 snaps. LMAO

Dunerdr 10-13-2023 12:30 PM

Low key hoping Watson being out settles MVS into his role from the end of last year by forcing some trust with him.

KCJake 10-13-2023 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17166998)
MVS zero targets on 39 snaps. LMAO

I think Rice is our guy. Watching him last night, he looks like the real deal. If the Chiefs offense gets better and we win another SuperBowl, it will be because this dude stepped up and made a difference. Toney, MVS, and Skyy Moore ... they just kinda are what they are...unfortunately

Gary Cooper 10-13-2023 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17166998)
MVS zero targets on 39 snaps. LMAO

Didn't Toney throw him the ball when he was double-covered?

RedRaider56 10-13-2023 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17167512)
Didn't Toney throw him the ball when he was double-covered?

I also thought Mahomes targeted him on a throw that was long out of the back of the EZ.

Hammock Parties 10-13-2023 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17167102)
Low key hoping Watson being out settles MVS into his role from the end of last year by forcing some trust with him.

Same. I don't think MVS is a bad player at all. Just think Mahomes likes Watson more.

DenverChief 10-13-2023 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17167512)
Didn't Toney throw him the ball when he was double-covered?

McKinnon

Gary Cooper 10-13-2023 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 17167566)
McKinnon

Dang. He couldn't have picked a shorter target.

rydogg58 10-13-2023 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17167595)
Dang. He couldn't have picked a shorter target.

Unless it was Clyde.

Buehler445 10-13-2023 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17167102)
Low key hoping Watson being out settles MVS into his role from the end of last year by forcing some trust with him.

Do we know what Watsons injury is?

TEX 10-13-2023 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 17167640)
Do we know what Watsons injury is?

Dislocated elbow. Nothing damaged. FWIW, I had one. Took me about a 3 or 4 weeks to fully recover.

IowaHawkeyeChief 10-13-2023 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 17166246)
A few things.

I think MVS running opens up the shit underneath that we're wrecking shit with. It'll be interesting if they pull coverage down.

LOL @ Donko killing Kelce. He has a bum ankle. And he embarrassed these twats. Roll coverage with Surtain and double team him. Nah. I'll take a first. Kelce at 34 is better than 26. That's ****ing incredible. I don't even.....

**** these dirty ****ing twats. 47 was trying to headhunt Kelce early. Luckily Kelce saw it coming and got down and the dude totally whiffed. Refs should have taken notice. NOPE. Pacheco gets tackled by his helmet. Refs should have called it. NOPE. Pacheco gets jacked the **** out of bounds - looked late. Refs call anything? Even if it's a makeup call? NOPE. And who here is shocked that Donko bitch **** is trying to gator roll with Kelces hurt ankle? NOPE. **** off bitches. **** off Hochuli. Your dad was a **** and you are too. Like my ****ing ass. Plus, WE WERE AT HOME. **** I hate dirty shit. Hit hard sure, but **** off with headhunting.

Offense played like nutsack and we covered a double digit spread. **** Donk Forever.

I don't cuss much at Arrowhead, but when that little bitch tried to gator roll Kelce's ankle, the Fbombs were flying.

HC_Chief 10-14-2023 02:58 AM

I couldn't watch the game live so have just watched the highlights. Looked like we dominated defensively (yet again), and the offense moved the ball with ease but made mistakes that killed drives, leading to FG or turnover.

Stat sheet shows it was a bit of a sleeper. We dominated start to finish. The donks were never even in it.

JPH83 10-14-2023 03:12 AM

Mahomes didn't play well but I don't think this was all on the WRs, some of it was poor decision making and some of it was the play of our tackles

DenverChief 10-15-2023 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 17167640)
Do we know what Watsons injury is?

Dislocated elbow

Sure-Oz 10-15-2023 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 17167911)
Mahomes didn't play well but I don't think this was all on the WRs, some of it was poor decision making and some of it was the play of our tackles

I think our WR's can't get open ...the best QB in the world is probably forcing shit cause of that

IowaHawkeyeChief 10-15-2023 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 17169655)
I think our WR's can't get open ...the best QB in the world is probably forcing shit cause of that

He has missed open guys, but we are fine. Look at today, Niners and Eagles lost to some shitty QB's.


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