How bout that cowboy TD
 

Rookie TE catches the ball going to the ground on 4th down at the 1/2 yard line knee touches then lands with ball on the goaline. Is it a TD by defintion of a catch going to the ground and surviving the impact?

Different then a runner whose shin/forearm/knee touching down.

Compliments to Chris Simms

Whaaat?

That

The ball didn't cross the plane of the goal when his knee was down...

I'm not seeing a video.

This cowboy lived close to you?

The cowboys should be relegated to the pac12

that team sucks

It wasn't a touchdown at all

Pretty clear and obvious that they got it right. He was down.

Idk

WTF?

Ball never crossed. The zebras got it right

Was it a catch at that point in time? Or only after surviving the ground?
Did the process of a catch complete?

Same scenario, TE catches the ball going down and touches the pilon before knee hits but loses the ball hitting the ground. TD?!?

Thanks to the NFL, no one knows what a catch is in Football any more...

Pics of Hurts with shitted white pants will save the Cowboy fan day

Well yeah it's hard to define a catch, but this isn't the point of this thread. The TE caught it and was tackled before the ball crossed the plane. Now tbf the defender was in process of tackling him before he even had the ball and could have been PI.

This actually is a pretty good point. If they stick with the "rules" of what a catch is then that probably is a touchdown.

I asked this same question in the game thread because seems to me that would be a TD but understand also after looking at the still replay why they ruled it not a TD.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So how do we reconcile this: he wouldn’t be granted a catch until he survives the ground. So why is he ruled down once his knee hits (ball short of the goaline) before the he completes that act? Loophole <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ProFootballTalk</a> <a href="https://t.co/xtsSBqNbfP">pic.twitter.com/xtsSBqNbfP</a></p>&mdash; Chris Simms (@CSimmsQB) <a href="https://twitter.com/CSimmsQB/status/1721512470479565183?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Meh, looks like a tough call either way

Its Dallas, so no1curr

It should have been a touch down, if a CATCH isn't complete till surviving the ground.. (need this to determine possession) then the player can't be DOWN by contact without possession.

I ask again minions....

TE catches the ball "going to the ground" and touches the pilon before knee hits but loses the ball after hitting the ground. TD?!?

Has he established possession when he touches the pylon?

Nope. But touching the pilon with a pigskin is an autimatic DING DING!

Slow the video down enough, zoom in close enough, and you'll find a reason to overturn the call.

BINGO !!

It's where the ball IS when the knee or that part of the body that is considered 'down'.

Already did and he did not score. You would fail 'ref school'.:D

IF there is no possession when he hits the pylon and the ball goes through and out of the end zone, I believe it is the other team's ball at the 20. IF he has possession and hits the pylon he breaks the plane and it is a DING DING !!

If two feet are in bounds, but you keep possession when the ball hits the ground out of bounds...,

It is a catch even though the ball hit the ground out of bounds.

So it's no different with the ball hitting in the EZ.

By your standard two feet in bounds, the ball hitting out of bounds is no longer a catch?

If the ball jars loose out of bounds "while making the catch going to the ground" its an incomplete pass. Which is why I added the pilon variable. Clay is a pussy for not weighing in...he's to busy making gay videos

Uh what? If he doesn't have possession, then it's an incomplete pass.

Here was the seriesif events:
1. Established possession short of the goal line.
2. Knee hit the ground
3. Ball crossed the EZ plane.
4. He maintained possession to the ground
5. No touchdown.

If we slightly change the order:
1. Knee hits the the ground while bobbing the ball.
2. Ball crossed the EZ plane.
3. He establishes and maintains possession without the ball hitting the ground.
4. touchdown

I remember Hill on the goal line in Denver a few years back where he didn't have control until he was across. I don't think this is a control thing and they got it right but that's the closest I could really compare to give the opposite argument.