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O.city 11-30-2023 09:54 AM

What's going on with Arrowhead at night?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is neat from <a href="https://twitter.com/DataWithBliss?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DataWithBliss</a> -- the dropped pass rate at night at Arrowhead is the only stadium/game time combination in the NFL over 10%<a href="https://twitter.com/cheetah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@cheetah</a> was right -- it&#39;s hard to catch in Kansas City at night<br> <a href="https://t.co/W8J9JxUgVE">https://t.co/W8J9JxUgVE</a> <a href="https://t.co/7nst50hj5w">pic.twitter.com/7nst50hj5w</a></p>&mdash; Michael Lopez (@StatsbyLopez) <a href="https://twitter.com/StatsbyLopez/status/1729931106554630200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

redfan 11-30-2023 09:56 AM

Good God, get some more light on that field!!

penguinz 11-30-2023 09:56 AM

Nothing is going on. KC has the highest drop rate and they play at Arrowhead. Makes sense they have the highest drop rate of any stadium.

OnTheWarpath15 11-30-2023 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 17251436)
Nothing is going on. KC has the highest drop rate and they play at Arrowhead. Makes sense they have the highest drop rate of any stadium.

The data isn't just for this year. 2016-Today

penguinz 11-30-2023 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 17251444)
The data isn't just for this year. 2016-Today

What are the numbers not including this year? Chiefs have had more than a seasons worth of drops in just the couple of night games this year.

ChiefsCountry 11-30-2023 10:02 AM

The new press box at top of stadium I would assume affected the lighting on the field

penguinz 11-30-2023 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 17251448)
The new press box at top of stadium I would assume affected the lighting on the field

I would bet it is more due to LED lighting. LED lighting creates darker shadows and tends to go straight from bright to black unlike the old types of lighting where it fades a bit before complete darkness.

Combine that with the 'new' light angles from the addition of the press box and it can have a huge impact.

O.city 11-30-2023 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 17251448)
The new press box at top of stadium I would assume affected the lighting on the field

That's been a while though right?

smithandrew051 11-30-2023 10:11 AM

Fire the Lighting Coach!!!!

OnTheWarpath15 11-30-2023 10:13 AM

Please change the title of this thread to:

****Our Stadium Lighting Sucks - Official Thread****

Bearcat 11-30-2023 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 17251447)
What are the numbers not including this year? Chiefs have had more than a seasons worth of drops in just the couple of night games this year.

Early/Late afternoon numbers would be skewed even more so towards more drops this year than the two night games... meaning if you took this year out of the equation, theoretically the gap would widen.

It's suggesting that night + bad receivers would make this season worse, not not the latter.

Interesting data, but I do agree knowing how each season skews the data would be interesting, too.

InChiefsHeaven 11-30-2023 10:43 AM

The crowd is way more hammered given they've been hittin' the bottle all day...so it's louder and ****s up WR concentration.

...s'all I got...

scho63 11-30-2023 10:46 AM

What's going on with Arrowhead at night?

Too many hookers in the parking lot.

Demonpenz 11-30-2023 10:47 AM

Receivers like our lighting ain't to bright

wazu 11-30-2023 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven (Post 17251540)
The crowd is way more hammered given they've been hittin' the bottle all day...so it's louder and ****s up WR concentration.

...s'all I got...

This is actually a pretty great alternative theory.

R Clark 11-30-2023 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 17251554)
What's going on with Arrowhead at night?

Too many hookers in the parking lot.

Or most likely not enough

Fish 11-30-2023 10:52 AM

Maybe we're cheering too loudly..

DJ's left nut 11-30-2023 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17251427)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is neat from <a href="https://twitter.com/DataWithBliss?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DataWithBliss</a> -- the dropped pass rate at night at Arrowhead is the only stadium/game time combination in the NFL over 10%<a href="https://twitter.com/cheetah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@cheetah</a> was right -- it&#39;s hard to catch in Kansas City at night<br> <a href="https://t.co/W8J9JxUgVE">https://t.co/W8J9JxUgVE</a> <a href="https://t.co/7nst50hj5w">pic.twitter.com/7nst50hj5w</a></p>&mdash; Michael Lopez (@StatsbyLopez) <a href="https://twitter.com/StatsbyLopez/status/1729931106554630200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I saw that Tweet last night and thought it was really interesting. Is it a small N issue or is there something there?

Definitely worth watching. Because both of the games where we've really shit the bed (and for all the hand-wringing, there really only have been 2 where the WRs have been abysmal) were night games at home.

O.city 11-30-2023 11:04 AM

Is it like...the dark red stands/the night sky/the ball being dark? Like what's an explanation here?

threebag 11-30-2023 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 17251554)
What's going on with Arrowhead at night?

Too many hookers in the parking lot.

You tailgating?

RockChalk 11-30-2023 11:11 AM

Might help if the NFL would use a football similar to the old light up Luminators from back in the 90s. Hell, make some hybrid light up with the Nerf whistle turbo version for some real fun. Think of the noise Mahomes can get on one of those.

https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/i...7c0fc23ee9.jpg

OklaChiefs 11-30-2023 11:51 AM

I call BS
 
No more excuses of any kind for "professional" receivers catching a ball whether at night, during the day, in the rain or snow.

We all watched the Eagles receivers catch wet footballs when it hit their hands, at night in Arrowhead. We just need to be patient and hope our receivers improve.

Thank God for our rookie 2nd rounder. Geezo.

jerryaldini 11-30-2023 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 17251436)
Nothing is going on. KC has the highest drop rate and they play at Arrowhead. Makes sense they have the highest drop rate of any stadium.

Sorry didn't mean to down vote

RedinTexas 11-30-2023 12:07 PM

Something like this should be an advantage for the Chiefs. It doesn't help anyone's personal statistics, but since our guys play lots more games in Arrowhead, they should be more accustomed to the situation. It's the opponents that have the bigger problem because they rarely play there.

penguinz 11-30-2023 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jerryaldini (Post 17251662)
Sorry didn't mean to down vote

Too late. i saw the downvote and my ego was crushed. No way in hell I can work the rest of the day.

Gary Cooper 11-30-2023 12:39 PM

That's the Native American curse (or something).

penguinz 11-30-2023 12:41 PM

Maybe its all the BBQ smoke settling into the bowl of the stadium, causing eye irritation, and making them watery and blurry.

Titty Meat 11-30-2023 12:44 PM

I can't believe they are going to try and rennovate the stadium again

penguinz 11-30-2023 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 17251743)
I can't believe they are going to try and rennovate the stadium again

Won't happen. Frank White is going to chase them to KS.

wazu 11-30-2023 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 17251687)
Something like this should be an advantage for the Chiefs. It doesn't help anyone's personal statistics, but since our guys play lots more games in Arrowhead, they should be more accustomed to the situation. It's the opponents that have the bigger problem because they rarely play there.

I doubt 2 or 3 games a year gives much of an experience edge. I'd rather things just be normal. Our offense is a strength, and drops are one of the only things that can kill it.

Renegade 11-30-2023 12:57 PM

It is only natural there are more dropped passes at night, we hosted more night games than anyone else in the NFL during the same time period. (This is my theory only)

wazu 11-30-2023 02:00 PM

Baltimore seems to have way fewer dropped passes at night. Might be interesting to see what lighting differences exist.

penguinz 11-30-2023 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17251878)
Baltimore seems to have way fewer dropped passes at night. Might be interesting to see what lighting differences exist.

The chart goes back to 2016. I would guess they have many many fewer passes thrown than other stadiums during that time period.

wazu 11-30-2023 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 17251907)
The chart goes back to 2016. I would guess they have many many fewer passes thrown than other stadiums during that time period.

But the graph is percentages.

TwistedChief 11-30-2023 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Renegade (Post 17251771)
It is only natural there are more dropped passes at night, we hosted more night games than anyone else in the NFL during the same time period. (This is my theory only)

It's a drop % rate which controls for that.

penguinz 11-30-2023 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17251911)
But the graph is percentages.

So? Without knowing the actual numbers the percentages mean nothing.

Stats are meaningless without knowing the actual raw data the stats are pulled from.


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