Believe what your eyes tell you, not what your heart feels.
 

Nearly all of us and at a minimum a vast majority has seen this team in the Cassel, Smith and Mahomes era.

Another big chunk have watched the Montana, Green, Gannon, Grbac periods.

And the old farts like me have had to endure Mike Livingston, Mark Vlasic, Steve Pelluer, Bill Kenney and Steve DeBerg.

We ALL know the difference between a really bad team, an average team, an over achiever, an under achiever, a good and great team.

At this point, if you don't realize that this 2023 Chiefs team is average at best and trending down, you need to remove your homer goggles.

I love our team and have spent 53 years rooting for them when it was hard as hell to do and I didn't have other fans to console me after all the loses. I grew up in NJ. There were no Chiefs fans that I knew.

Mahomes and the Super Bowl delivered incredible joy and pride.

Now after 2 Super Bowls and non-stop winning we have hit an off year. It's easy to do in the NFL and we lasted longer than most teams do winning all the time.

Many of you see it but have remained overly optimistic. God Bless your devotion. I did that already for 50 years and now I can be much more realistic after the SB wins.

Do yourself a favor and be honest with yourself. You see it, you feel it and you know it.

This team has no chance in the playoffs. Don't try to tell me anything can happen, because it really doesn't. Yeah, a neat play here or there or maybe a win against a shit team but even now that is unlikely.

This team is burnt out. Since Game 1 not a ****ing thing has improved and in some cases has gotten worse: Mahomes and Kelce in particular.

When your top two stars are ****ing up and look like they need a month off to rest, you know you are in trouble.

I pray everyone stays healthy, we shut this shit show of a season down, rest our franchise QB before he gets injured or killed. The dude was running for his LIFE all day and our Oline has also gone backwards.

We have a great young defense, can focus on Oline and WRs for draft and signing FAs to rebound in 2024.

From play calling, to turnovers to penalties to oline blocking to drops, this has been a brutally ugly season.

Time to turn the page on 2023 and get our shit fixed ASAP cause it ain't gonna change in 2023.

Chiefs fans ever since the 90's are nothing if not realists.

Those tree shirt needles stuck in your sack

This team is hung over from the Super Bowl

“Been there, done that”

They don’t have the fire

They were pissed off at the end of 2021 and further motivated by naysayers after we traded away Tyreek Hill. Led to a 17-3 season and Super Bowl win. They overachieved and played great team football and Mahomes was clearly the best player in football

In 2023, the fire isn’t there, guys were more satisfied. Mahomes is off his game, the play calling is worse, the receivers regressed, the discipline is worse

Maybe going one and done will light the fire under everyone’s ass again like the 2021 season did

Good post I think you nailed it!

Hard to argue. They looked worn out and uninterested. Played anlot of games the last 4 years.

Oh come on...Steve Pelluer wasn't that bad.

I'm really excited about the off season.. New WRs and a hungry underdog attitude and we will be back.. Unfortunately things are stacked against us this year..

We left the game with 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. It was obvious that the offense was not going to lead us to a victory and I didn't feel like sitting in traffic for an hour after the game was over.

I can't remember the last time I left a game early, but it was the right decision. 0-2 for me this year.

Blech...

If our down years are going to consist of a playoff appearance and a division championship, I suppose I can take one every now and then. My only fear is that this year has broken Mahomes. I could not provide an honest explanation to family members why he would not throw the ball over 10 yards today. It’s like after he threw that pick, he lost his nerve.

Even the NFL schedulers ****ed us with 6 ****ing teams all having extended time off before playing us. How is that possible? Over 1/3 of our schedule against teams with 8, 10 14 days rest.

Let's not even talk about the penalties, another **** job.

Honestly wondering if this team is a little burnt out. 5 straight years of playing full seasons and going to the Title Game or Super Bowl. You can only hold that kind of ‘focus’ together for so long. Think it’s REALLY wearing on Pat and Travis this year. They’re tired. At times, Kelce appears checked out. Mahomes is beyond frustrated with the offense.

Think they just all need a break this off season. Likely a quick one and done in the postseason (if they can manage to win one of the last 2 games). That’s okay, though

Rest and refresh. Veach: fix the freakin WR room. It’s embarrassing. Get the LT spot solidified. Be back next year to kick ass and take the AFC over again.

This has not been a fun year, but still a lot of great years coming up going forward.

Patrick will give us all he has till the end this year but when its over I bet you will see a renewed hunger with him and Travis next year.. Travis will be back for one more year. Some competent WRs will help him get open..

OP, please drink a tall glass of Christmas Antifreeze.

The Playoffs are all that matter. If the Chiefs win it all people will say they were just sleep walking all season. If they play LIKE THAT in the Playoffs it's over anyway.

Does Andy have the energy and motivation to aggressively re-imagine the offense this offseason?

It’s going to take an infusion of new ideas… in addition to personnel upgrades… to get this offense back to its previous standard.

Keeping Nagy and re-arranging his existing in-house coaching staff won’t cut it.

Yep, exactly as I see it. I just hope they can hang on and win the west again, and everyone stay healthy.

WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR?!?

Go drink some semen infused eggnog and wash it down with douchejuice you asshole.

If this team has any chance in hell in the playoffs they better start EMBRACING the FACT they will need to win 17-13 types of games. PROTECT the football. Get the gimmicky cute play calls the F outta here. Punting is okay. If the playoffs aren't turnover free we are going home early.

Best post of the seasn scho. I agree 100%. Every team that strings together a decade or more of success has a rebuild on O or D to keep it going. They tried and failed in the off season. Time to take our lumps this year and sah hey, at least we see post season ball, then reboot. Mahomes is amazing but can’t carry a team anymore than anyone else with piss poor support. The Chiefs will be fine for another decade but this team needs major changes on offense.its football, not life

ROFL

Stop watching then.

“ I grew up in NJ. There were no Chiefs fans that I knew.”

I have been a NJ Chiefs fan since 1967. Where in NJ did you grow up? And your message is spot on. This down year, fraught with absurd game losing foibles, is somehow more palatable than in the past … because of what they’ve given us in the Mahomes era. To put things in perspective, the worst possible outcome for us in the playoffs this year is the best outcome we had for twenty five years after Montana.

Your effort on this post is weaker than the effort of the 2023 Chiefs. :rolleyes:

Like others have said, we'll go again next year. I think it's beyond this team as it's currently constructed and after this many games. Plenty needs to change and I fully expect it will next year. Can't be too downhearted about it

This loss is obviously on Kadarious Toney.

The guys aren't having fun any more and pressing big time. It is visible on the sideline

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There is truth to this since two turnovers lost today’s game.

It sucks to play Martyball with Mahomes at QB, but that’s the current reality.

They use AI to build the schedule. So basically, we are losing because of the terminator. **** you Arnold!

What's weird to me is how absolutely disjointed they look on offense. A team led by Reid and Mahomes is sloppy, inefficient and basically can't run an actual NFL passing game.

Kermit was scared


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Yet this same team was 6-1.

They must have been doing something right.

OP was a lot of words to tell everyone this team isn't as good as previous years like you just discovered the human genome.

If you think it's "time to turn the page on 2023", then stop watching. What else is there to say?

I'm thinking fans should still show up to the stadium, the team should still show up every week, that sort of thing.

Unless "turn the page on 2023" means something else.

Is there something specific I should be doing?

It’s Week 16 and they still don’t have a defined WR rotation.

Also it was clear today why they haven’t used Rice much in the downfield passing game.

They said it in postgame, Mahomes missed wide open receivers. And by missed, I mean not throwing it to the open receiver.

He seems a bit skittish and saw him several times cringe expecting a sack, and then realizing he had an out and scrambled.

Outside of our defense, there has been little good to this season. Every game outside of the bears has been a struggle.

Tale of 2 halves. Happens all the time in the NFL. Now the ineptitude is in their heads. First half of the year there was still optimism they could clean it up. That’s long gone at this point.

Rice isn't a good route runner yet...he's a manufactured touch WR..we have 3 guys who are manufactured touch WRs...that's why all the screens are back. None of these WRs can just run his route and get open.

Too many turnovers by Mahomes

Agree with most of this…

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Something seem wrong with Mahomes physically and mentally. He doesn't look right.

You’re exactly correct. They aren’t good enough to win on their own and it’s a massive problem. If the run game isn’t working we’re unable to consistently move the ball down the field unless Mahomes makes improv plays. We need a veteran who can run routes and some young guys who can stretch the field.

He’s inside his own head, we saw this in 2021.

Back then, however, he had a prime Reek and Kelce to get himself out of the funk. This year is going to be a bit harder.

Yup dude nailed it. Tied of the glossing over nonsense. What he said about Mahomes is both saddening and infuriating at the same time.

WE’RE ONTO CINCINATTI.

Not bad when our worst year in almost a decade results in winning the division.

That hasn’t happened yet.

It will.

Pour me one too big dog. And make it a double!

I have come to terms with the truth that this team just isn't a Super bowl level team. It happens.

On the bright side with all the talk after trading Hill last year and how Mahomes responded I can't wait to see what he does after the upcoming talk this year.

Chiefs haven’t won at Arrowhead since 10/22

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Sorry if this is homer glasses but this is a good team and can still beat anyone, but because they have a top tier defense. All the offense has to do is not screw up and gift 14 points to the other team. All the commentators could talk about the whole game was how the KC offense was having a tough time but the Chiefs defense almost completely shut down the raiders until the last drive.

I think it will. I have more confidence that the Raiders will have something gift wrapped and somehow manage to fall flat on their faces more than the Chiefs taking care of business though.

Win it all? This team is 1 and done. But that should in no way take anything away from past accomplishments. But they certainly need to make major changes in the offseason.

It's very difficult for the majority on this board to do that scho because the majority on this board have never played the game. But you are correct. Always trust your eyes and what you see. Chiefs offense has been off all year long. And it's a combination of many things both physical, mental and emotional no doubt.

The question is why should anyone think that the offense won't find a way to screw it up at this point. At some point it is what it is

An infusion of talent.

And then Travis started dating that Tater Smith BITCH and everything flamed the **** OUT!! Who’s with me???

They play better on the road. The 2019 STL Blues did too.

U can wear the homer glasses all u want. No biggie. But this team is not that good and can not still beat anyone. They are exactly who they have shown us they are. A mistake prone team that cant score. Zero come from behind winning drives this season, and a WR room that leads the league in drops. The OT's are terrible and the interior 3 is overrated. They have lost 4 games at home this season, that says something.

The defense IS very good. But this isn't the 90's. In an offense driven league, this season is what u get with a good defense paired with an offense that is not very good.

Top tier defense doesn’t win in the playoffs in the modern day NFL….esp. when your offense is beyond inept.

I don't think they're a bad team. They're an undisciplined team, (on offense in particular.) I think we're starting to see the decline of Travis Kelce, a talented WR in the making with Rice, and a bunch of scrubs. It's hard for us as fans watching our offense since we're so used to Mahomes and the offense score at will.

Could this team go on a run in the playoffs? Sure. But I've also thought all year we'd see the offense improve, and it hasn't. I have no expectations for the playoffs this season.

I'm optimistic to see what 2024 brings.

Exactly.

And if the Chiefs defense was “top tier” that could realistically drag this shitty offense back to the Super Bowl they would have made a stop on that final drive or forced a turnover during the game.

Did they play well enough to win? Absolutely.

Are they good enough to compensate for the Chiefs offense? No.

My eyes tell me this is the dumbest team the Chiefs have fielded since Gunther's years.

That doesn't translate to winning games.

You're being a smug smartass and you know it.

The defense is top tier. They're just not historically good like the '85 Bears or the 2013 Ravens. That's the only kind of defense that could compensate for their terrible offense.

What in the hell are you watching that tells you the Chiefs can go on a run in the playoffs? :rolleyes:

Please enlighten me.

My eyes tell me that Mahomes is a bit off, but my head tells me that this team can win a Super Bowl if he gets back into form. I'll never doubt what he can do, so there is always going to be hope. Especially in a playoff series. The best QBs win more often than not in the playoffs and we have the best.

Agreed.

They are not good enough to overcome a bad/limited offense.

Especially with their inability to force turnovers.

Chiefs defense 24th in the league in forced turnovers.

That's who he is. Pay him no mind. He's not important He just thinks he is

I absolutely agree with the OP. I could see the writing on the wall several weeks back when we lost to Denver then the Eagles and finally with the Packers. Today was a 1000% what the OP is saying. We have been very spoiled with success, now we are spoiled with dropped passes, stupid mistakes and penalties. This season is done. Revamp in the off season and draft. We will right this ship but it won't be in 2023. Chin up and move forward.

He’s spent the entire season proclaiming that concerns about the Chiefs were unjustified.

Looks even more stupid than his usual self now.

What is the collective football IQ of this team if you leave Mahomes off the list?

My eyes say 1 and done

Yep. When the team was 7-2 they had a negative turn over ratio. Its caught up with them now. This is who they are.

What about the drops? Is Mahomes gonna throw to himself?
Penalties constantly that kill our drives or save the other team on 3rd and long. Both happened AGAIN today.
Kelce has been dog shit since getting Swift pussy.
Our Oline is horrific.
Turnovers
****ing play calling is so predictable teams seems to be in our huddle listening to the play.
Mistakes

They just don't all suddenly fix themselves in week 16.

I appreciate your answer and optimism but don't be shocked at how this season ends.

No chance I’m giving up on this team, especially with this defense. Our defense can be dominant. Obviously an awful loss today and We may lose but it’s very possible that Andy and PM can turn this around.