It's like looking into the past
 

So watching these teams like the Dolphins that lose, then hearing the fans talking about "we need a difference maker at Tight End. We can't just throw to Hill and Waddle."

Or the Cowboys "We just need to get off to a better start, or get a difference coach in here".

It's the QB guys. The NFL is the haves and the have nots and when you are a have not......I don't know what to tell you.

I fell like it's the 90's and we're talking about the Chiefs.

Yeah it is. Dolphins fans have really soured on Tua. They will play him on his 5th year option, then looking at another rebuild. Dak will be 31 next season.

It's familiar. Looking at the Dolphins winless playoff stretch I remembered we actually had two of those. From 70 through 90 and 94 through 14. That's crazy. But now we are on a 6 year run of winning every year. Because Mahomes.

Crazy to me that teams still want instant results instead of doing the Packers plan. Draft a QB with a high ceiling and sit him for at least one year to learn from a vet QB and solid coaches.

Rodgers, Mahomes and Love were wild horses with technical flaws but high ceilings when they were drafted. Rodgers held the ball near his ear when he threw at Cal, Mahomes footwork needed work and Love had consistency issues from the mental side of the game.

Zach Wilson and Jordan Love are good case studies. Both similar types of prospects that had high potential and could make the throws. Difference is one went to sit and learn in a good environment and the other was deemed the savior immediately with high expectations to start in a shit environment the moment he stepped in the building which ruined his confidence.

And the 2000's, and the 2010's

I don't really think you have to sit the guy to learn. It's more about the situation around him and who's doing what.

Playing to learn is fine, I actually think it's about the only way to learn in the end.

Say it loud, say it proud:


Because Mahomes.

Well, I mean.....the Texans got instant results.

And are we sold on Jordan Love? Because he's been up and down all season and the Cowgirls just farded and shidid their pants yesterday.

Dak's pretty good. But Mike McCarthy has a long track record of going nowhere in the playoffs even when he had a first-ballot Hall of Famer in his prime.

Tua is what we would have got if we had stuck with Alex after 2017.

And I shudder to think what this place would be like in 2018 if that had happened.

MUH DEFENSE!!!

Alex Smith enters the chat.


Hell, we have the answer at QB and GDTs are still filled every week with cries of running the ball and "establish the run".

At the same time though, Mahomeses don't grow on trees, so do you overpay a guy who will at least get you to the playoffs and maybe win a playoff game or do you risk going to the franchise QB well over and over for years/decades on end. And then you have coaches and situations that are just toxic for young QBs where they may never have a chance.

How fans who have watched their team over decades can't figure it out and still get their hopes far too high for Dak or Tua or any number of mediocre QBs who put up good numbers against all the shit and then flop in the postseason.... got me. :shrug:

But how often does a Stroud happen? He should have been the first pick. If you don't have a top 5 pick, then what?

I agree. It does come down to the QB. Which is why I just can't wrap my head around the Ravens having playoff success with Lamar.

He's dropping dimes this year, though. I'm telling you, different QB.

Trade up.

Don't draft guys who don't have the tools to do it.

It could just be Wilsoj is pure shit

It's sadly true...plus 7 Nation Army Lamar is even more lethal

We have been there for decades. The 80's were horrible. I know abns we know how that feels. Sucks. But, better them than us.

Yeah, Wilson isn't good, but he also went to a dysfunctional situation. The Jets are keeping that merry band of idiots together for some reason.

The worst thing in all of sports is to have a QB that’s “pretty good,” but not great.

Alex Smith, Dak, Herbert. Goff(just wait), Tua, Carr, Jimmy G, etc.

If the stars align, it can work. But really....eventually you're gonna run into a top QB in the playoffs and it's just a hold on to your ass thing.

It's like looking into the past
 

That sounds nice but if you are going to play him to learn and improve but not given them the time to actually do that then you still aren’t doing it right. Teams abandon QBs so quick but sometimes it’s hard to know which ones to stick with.

Sure....but the truth is....if they don't show something they probably aren't it then anyway.

Yeeeeep

If you pick the wrong one and build around him...you cap your ceiling. Like the Dolphins have done or the Cowboys.

Now your option is to blow it up, start over, but you're probably getting fired if you do that. It's easy to sell "hey we won double digit games, we're close".

He's regressing as the season has worn on. 4 of his last 7 games he has had a completion percentage under 60% and he's played one good game against a stellar defense. If a team can get a lead on Baltimore and force Lamar to have to throw the ball to win, they will get beat.

I equated more with the "old because" Chiefs with Detroit more than any other team yesterday. Win a playoff game for the first time in 30 years and gives you hope only to get prison raped the next week.

If you have a subpar QB, you better buy/build a hell of a defense and surround him with as many weapons as you can and pray. Then, dump his ass when the bill comes due after his rookie contract. You should only pay a guy you know is a true franchise QB that can get you there. Unfortunately, NFL owners will hang onto less than that to fill seats.

Well the Packers literally drafted Rodgers and Love in the 20's.
There are guys with higher ceiling and tools that can be developed in time in the right situation.

Will Levis stands out as one of those types of guys. Is he really that much different than Jordan Love as a prospect?

That's one of the reasons I look at Rattler and think he should be picked in round 1. Sure, maybe he isn't quite mentally ready but he has all the talent to be a top-tier QB. Sit him a year and teach him and then let him work. Too many teams rushing guys out there to save the day. Most aren't ready.

Hell take a guy that's a bit of a project in round 2 even, just marinate him.

Stroud has everything you want in a QB. Accuracy first and foremost but he has a cool demeanor and is nails under pressure, like Mahomes.

He also isn't a guy that wants to run unless he has to. I'd never trade Mahomes but the guy I'd want if I couldn't have Mahomes is Stroud. Nobody else is really close.

One day Josh Allen and Lamar are going to RGIII themselves you watch.

Disagree in part. Any of those QBs could be just good enough to get a team to the SuperBowl...with a very strong supporting cast and/or dominant defense. i.e. Jimmy G.

The worst thing is to mortgage the future by trading top players and/or 1st round picks for a "pretty good" QB then expecting immediate results. Rinse and repeat every 4 years, resulting in decades of tears.

The best thing is to trade up for a superior QB, let him sit for a year behind a "pretty good" QB, surround him with a proven Head Coach, a HOF TE, O-Line, dynamic receivers and solid defense, then crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women.

The Dolphins have 4 incredible weapons. No excuse for scoring only 7 points. Phenomenal stuff from Spags and the KC defense.

But Miami fans are nuts if they are blaming the skill player talent on their team for that performance. Tua looked completely out of sorts in the Negative 25 degree conditions.

The worst thing is trying to do what the CHiefs did. It's not likely to be repeatable.

Trade up for a guy you think has the ability and mentality to be a top 5 guy. If you whiff, you get fired.

But if you have a QB you think can be "just good enough" if you put enough around him.....you're already done. You just don't seem to know it yet.

It's crazy that teams have high picks and draft the limited high floor player instead of the one with a high ceiling. Goff over Wentz, Tua over Herbert, Trubisky over Mahomes, Young over Stroud or Richardson.

If you're gonna draft a QB why even draft a guy that has a high floor? What sense does that make? Get the guy who flashes playmaking ability and has the arm to make all the throws.

I agree

"He may bust" Yeah, he probably will. But taking Tua just caps yourself.

OP said Gibbs was a bad first round pick tho

He was.

Trubisky was not a high floor guy. He barely had starting experience in college, which is a major red flag.

He's not throwing to receivers signed from Dollar General anymore.

I think I'm more inclined to believe in this. Mahomes is a generational talent, but I think its safe to say he wouldn't be close to what he is now if he got drafted by say the Bears.

HC, GM, QB is the holy trinity. You nail those 3, then everything else kinda falls into place.

Yeah, we don't wanna think about it but.......alot of it is just luck.

And...the gypsy curse of death.

And...the gypsy curse of death. Good luck in your next career Lamar!

Yeah, this weekend gave me some serious "Because Chiefs" PTSD.

Watching the Dolphins absolutely implode with some super elite talent that does almost nothing hit home pretty hard. (I'm looking at you Gonzo)

The Cowbitches while hilarious, felt familiar. Having a team that is obviously a fraud, beat on some bad teams, had a guy in the MVP discussion for a minute, and absolutely shit the bed front to back end to end. My GOD it's going to be a bad offseason for those ****s.

The Cleveland bed shitting felt exactly like the Marty Chiefs. Rolling into a game with an elite defense and all you need is not ass QB play, getting ass QB play and the defense getting rocked.

**** me I'm glad we're not that team(s) anymore.

Wow Dak is 31?

OP is correct. There are QBs that can get to the playoffs and QBs that get you thru the playoffs.

I don't know if he's the Favre/Rodgers successor, but the strides he's made from last year, hell, even early this year are remarkable. I was absolutely convinced he had no shot of sticking as a starter anywhere, now he's winning road playoff games. He will be very interesting to watch over the next few years.

Disagree. The switch came on for him about the time we lost to him. Him and the WRs have all continued to get better. That's good coaching.

Packers have a chance against the 49ers.

Great post. I had the same feeling watching the cowboys lose and thinking about what the dolphins are going through.


You have the regular season champ type teams that turn into chumps in the post season.


watching the Chiefs do that throughout my life was so frustrating, and I remember getting so excited at even a wild-card playoff chance... only to have the inevitable loss handed to us by a better team.



My God, Mahomes has us all spoiled.

It’s arguable that he had a better season in 2019 (500 fewer passing yards in 19, but 400 fewer yards rushing in 23), and that didn’t stop the Ravens from watching the wheels fall off their season even though they put up 550 yards of offense (508 of them from Lamar’s passing and running).

He has looked like more of a passer this season, but I could see either of the remaining opponents they may play next week give them an early out (Pittsburgh because divisional opponents in the playoffs are always difficult, and the Texans because they could keep up with the Ravens on offense)

Explains why Marty though Steve Bono or Elvis Grbac could win in the post-season.

i started thinking about this when i saw lions fans crying over a wildcard win

chiefs fans cry about having a 2 score lead in a playoff game

oh man so true. I saw that guy!!! That is exactly what I started thinking when I saw that guy. I used to feel that excited about just getting to the playoffs. 32 ****ing years.... wow.


Yep. and now winning 16-7 at half time on a frozen field with a stelklar D is not enough for us !! SPoiled!

Zach is also a jackass - attitude is absolutely contributing to his failings.