Dan Orlovsky and Ryan Clark Debate Josh Allen QB Play
 

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Summary?

RC: Josh Allen is James Harden

Orlovsky sucks off Allen, Clark says stop the excuses Josh is a choker

Orlovsky thinks Josh Allen is great, and blames the loss on everything but Josh (mostly true). He thinks Allen outplayed Mahomes last night (LOL). He thinks we focus these losses far too much on Allen and not other aspects of their team (mostly tue).

Clark thinks Allen is great, but his inability to beat Mahomes on the biggest stage can't be dismissed. He's tired of everyone coming in here to save Josh after every playoff loss. At some point, Josh needs to prove that he can win these big Divisional games, especially after dropping two straight at home (absolutely true).

Josh Allen was let down by his guys because of "drops". Per Orlovsky Mahomes' guys made plays and wasn't let down. Nevermind Hardman giving up 7 points which would habe all but sealed the game and the Chiefs booth for not calling for a challenge of a forward pass which was a clear penalty and huge momentum change in the game. Mahomes overcame the errors. As always. Allen.did.not. As always.

Orlovsky is chiefzilla?

I thought he was ok I mean there were 3 drops that probably combined for over 100 yards and a touchdown or 2. Bills need to dump Diggs and rebuild that WR room outside of Shakur

Orlovsky full of shit. He pretends Josh Allen was perfect and that Mahomes’ teammates made no mistakes. Total bullshit when we think about all of these plays:

1. Justin Watson drops a perfect throw on 3rd down to setup 1st & Goal at the Buffalo 10 yard line. Potential 4 point swing for Buffalo.

2. Mecole Hardman fumbles on the Buffalo goal line. Probably a 7 point swing for Buffalo.

3. Josh Allen throws a Pick 6 ball and KC drops it.

4. Josh Allen fumbles and KC fails to recover it.

Buffalo had basically every bounce go their way...had more than 1 catch that was probably a less than 5% probability happen and they still lost.

Shitkur also caught 2 balls that led to scores he's not talented enough to normally catch. So things even out. Him scoring on Sneed was a complete fluke

Wow, I totally forgot about that one. It is just bizarre to me how the media can't wait to prop JA up after these losses - like he's some sort of fragile piece of china. Like any sport that features great individual matchups, you have to take down the King to get your just rewards. It's that ****ing simple!

I like how there is absolutely zero talk of how Buffalo's gameplan was to completely minimize Josh Allen.

We're gonna hand off a lot..we'll have Josh run too...then we'll throw dumpoffs constantly, mix in a few deep shots.

And even with that gameplan in the 4th quarter Josh did multiple things that could have killed them.

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They were definitely protecting Josh from mistakes and protecting McDermott’s shitty defense from Mahomes by keeping him on the sidelines. It was a great strategy for a huge chunk of the game.

Yep.

Chiefs nearly had half the offensive snaps. Buffalo played the game perfectly, just wasn't enough.

Thank goodness the Hardman fumble didn’t kill the Chiefs. Or the failed defensive plays when Josh was trying to give the ball away at the end.

Buffalo hogged the ball for almost 2/3rds of the game clock, Hardman gave away 7 points, Buffalo had the very strong home crowd, and Buffalo still lost. Ouch Buffalo. Major ouch. Lol

It won't ever be set up any better.

That was their shot. They blew it.

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I hate comparing head to head QB records.

Burrow is still 3-1 against Mahomes. Goff is 2-0 against Mahomes. Eli Manning is 2-0 against Brady in the playoffs. Brady is 2-0 against Mahomes in the playoffs. Peyton Manning is 3-2 against Brady in the playoffs (you don't hear this one much).

It's just lazy analysis. This isn't basketball. These players don't compete against each other at the same time. Plus, there's 20 other starters on the field.

I don't remember 25 or 30 years ago hearing about head to head QB records. I have no idea what Marino/Elway or Young/Favre were against each other. Now that everyone has a social media account and everyone is a sports analyst, we're forced to hear this talk.

Allen is not better at Mahomes but also Allen's defense was shit against the Chiefs in all three playoff games. They should have won the 13 second game if not for dumb coaching.

The difference between Allen and Mahomes is that when the lights are brightest Mahomes shines. Allen gets excuses made for him. With the game on the line Allen didn’t produce. On TBD there isn’t one fan who felt like had they made the FG that Mahomes would not have marched down the field to win it.

You must have missed KCs defense in the :13 second game. You can compare because it’s not like Allen played on overachiever teams. He’s had plenty of talent but can’t make it past KC. Allen wows people, but is unable to close the deal when it matters which is why his team has been to one AFCCG.

Now that the drops shoe is on the other foot they don't wanna wear it.

Well the glass slipper FITS BITCH and Josh turned into a PUMPKIN.

I don't like the QB win stuff either. Mahomes had a losing record in college, but it damn sure was not because he was a loser. Tech had a terrible defense and shaky roster in general, with a very young head coach who was not qualified to be in the job.

Allen's biggest problem is the media wants to anoint him. He wasn't any worse than Brady against the Chiefs in two playoff games, especially the first one where Brady threw two (should have been three picks if not for Dee Ford). Burrow has thrown three INTs against us in the playoffs in recent years. The Chiefs lost several of those games despite opposing QB mistakes.

In the three playoff games against Buffalo, the Chiefs scored 38, 42, and 27. Allen wasn't better than Mahomes in those games, but he got no help defensively.

Now the media is all over a guy they've overrated themselves.

If the Chiefs play the Lions in the Super Bowl, we'll hear all about Jared Goff's 2-0 record against Mahomes.

Bottom line is that as good as Josh Allen, Justin Herbert or whoever you want to compare is, Pat just has that winners gene. It's usually displayed in the biggest moments.

This is not a knock on the other guys but we have seen this before with the likes of Brady, Manning etc. They just have a knack for winning when it counts the most.

Yep! It was the same with Geno Smith as he would put up 7 TD's and 500 yards and still lose because the WV defense was the worst in the country.

You would hear critics say "HE'S NOT A WINNER!"

Orlschlavski siding with the lesser qb? Say less.

Josh played great, but just like RC said he had 3 chances to capture greatness and he did not. Mahomes played lights ****ing out. I can't really even think of a mistake he made.

Bills had all the breaks. A fumble that wasn't followed by a would be pick is McDuffie doesn't touch it snead probably gets a pick 6.

Of course the biggest break was dumbass hardman. Would have been up by 10.

I just don't get much out of all of these shows where they basically just yell the entire time.

Called it in the game thread lol.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...6#post17351986

People like to refer to Lamar as a RB playing QB. If that's the case, WTF is this guy supposed to be? A backup TE playing QB?

Why doesn't he get the same kind of hate? At least Lamar completes passes beyond the LOS.

Romo better get to Allen quickly…obviously has competition from Orlovsky.

Orlovsky is an even dumber analyst than he was a player.

Orlovsky seems a bit bipolar. He has, at various times, called Mahomes, Burrow and several others: "the best QB of all time." He also seems like a bandwagon guy...whichever QB currently has the hot hand is the best of all time. I might have cut him some slack on this one because he'll be singing the praises of PM II after the Chiefs win the AFCCG & after the Chiefs win the SB.. but he did say that JA was the best player on the field.... So no, F U Orlosky. Eat a bag of Buffalo dildos. :)

I happen to be caucasian myself but there is a racial tone in Orlovsky's "analysis" when he is talking about the great QBs of the game. He gloats about Burrow as being the best "pure" QB in the game (whatever the f... that means), but with Mahomes, he rarely speaks of him in such gloating terms. Maybe because he is partly black? That's the insinuation he gives when he opens his dumb mouth.

That was the 2nd worst football call in NFL history that lost a game for sure. Thee worst football call of all time???

No doubt Pete Carroll's pass play interception in the SB against the Patriots after watching Lynch rape the Patriots defense all game and especially the last drive down to the 1 yd line with 20 seconds to go and 1 timeout and Pete allows for a pass play to be called ????:spock::spock::spock:

There are a number of talking heads who jumped on the Josh Allen- Bills train. Despite the Chiefs fumbling into the end zone, despite Mahomes miss on two TD throws on the same drive, despite Connor not just falling on the football, the Chiefs still came out the winners. The talking heads who hitched their wagon are in full throttle damage control.

This is what happens when you write the Chiefs off in the regular season because you're ready to crown someone else. We even had a number of cowards on this board.

We need to bump the thread that popped up after we lost to the Raiders on Christmas Day. It was "Trust your eyes and not your heart" or something like that. On the first page you'll see I said 'all that matters is what happens in the Playoffs.' People actually DISLIKED my post. I know we still have work to do but a lot of people wrote this team off from outside the Chiefs Kingdom and some from within as well.

Mecole getting the ball on the two when you have Pacheco and Clyde on a tear. However, that didn't lose the game so it's in a different category.

I love me some NGS, as much as anybody. Their stuff is great.

But these little charts sometimes don't tell the story as accurately as maybe they'd like to think. I mean, it was just a few years ago they put one of these up for Pat back in 2021, and I don't remember CP unanimously agreeing with their take on Pat's performance(s). In fact, as I remember it, CP went semi-nuts disagreeing with their take. And I'm pretty sure they had one for him this season as well, and again, I don't remember CP touting NGS as the end-all/be-all of statistical analysis.

I think it's more than fair to say that Josh didn't have a great day throwing the ball deep. But I also think it's fair to say that his receivers shat their pants when Josh did deliver dimes that hit them in the hands/biceps.

I mean, he threw them three very catchable balls that none of his receivers secured, two of which hit these guys right in the hands. That's on the receivers, not Allen, imo. Catch the effing ball, that's your mfing job, especially when it hits you right in the hands.


edit: The commentary from Dan and Clark was great. Love listening to those guys talk football. Well, most of the time. Until they start just yelling at each other. But they're way better than Stephen A.'s show most of the time.

You can see Rex Ryan's teeth from the International Space Station. JFC those things look like they have lights in them.

That clark guy (who ever the hell he is) was a loudmouth prick.
Saw that this morning and it reminded me why I do not watch those shows.

I've been there with you. The "not going to sniff the playoffs" crowd think every game should be a 45-0 Chiefs win or something is "wrong." As I've maintained from the outset, I don't really care about the regular season, at all, as long as we make the tournament. Once we're in, I like our chances against anyone, regardless of the regular season.

These same apologists were missing when Mahomes/the WR's/Team were struggling. He may not be who we thought he was, the downside of his career is already here etc. etc.

Allen is a good player. Unfortunately for him, he is Patrick Ewing.

Allen is a vastly inconsistent and at times clinically braindead, albeit cannon armed qb. He's terribly overrated.

His claim to fame is coming within 13 seconds of beating Mahomes, after getting his shit pushed in against Mahomes in an AFCCG.

This was by far the worst performance by Josh Allen against KC, because KC has an actual defense now, not guys who just let their assignments run wide open, or can't handle the complexities of staying on their feet.

It turns out, that when he has to make reads against a defense that can cover, he turns into Alex Smith. 16 passes at or behind the line.

Braindead decisionmaking at the end, going hero ball on 2nd and 3rd down.

Yeah he sucks. They should cut him.

Allen is good. Bills were missing Gabe Davis (see his stats in 13-second game) which is a huge weapon for them. He plays they probably win.

Allen definitely has his faults and he isn't Mahomes, but he's a damn good QB.

I am sure that Allen is a good QB will give Bills fans real pain relief. He only keeps losing to better QB's in the playoffs. How great for them.

Davis plays they win my ass. Look at who got injured in our secondary in the 13 second game. Davis would have done shit.

Must be the toe sucking that does it.

I don't think he's "overrated" per say and yes, he was missing players and such.

But man.....when you get paid and wanna be in that class of QB...you gotta win some of these games.

He lost at home last year to Burrow in a really shit performance.