Vikings make draft trade with Texans
 

Getting capital for a QB

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A Draft Trade!!<br><br>The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Vikings?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Vikings</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Texans</a> have agreed to terms on a major deal in advance of the draft, per me and <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TomPelissero</a>, landing Minnesota another 1. <br><br>— Minnesota gets No. 23 and No. 232.<br>— Houston gets No. 42, 188 and a 2025 2nd rounder. <br><br>MIN moves up, HOU collects. <a href="https://t.co/ehRFqOKbFz">pic.twitter.com/ehRFqOKbFz</a></p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1768634543534231892?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 15, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wonder who’s gonna trade down for them?

You need top three really to get your guy

They want JJ McCarthy badly. And Sean Payton is gonna lose out on him LMAO

McCarthy is just a guy. Definitely not worth trading up for.

Minnesota is angling to jump in front of the Giants, who I also think are looking at JJ McCarthy with 6th pick. Trade candidates for them include NE, Arizona, and LAC. Chargers in particular have a lot of holes to fill with everyone leaving.

I'm hoping the Cardinals are locked in on Marvin Harrison Jr and refusing to budge. Really don't want him going to the Chargers, let them trade down instead.

Chargers are going get pick 11, 23 and probably more. ****

Why does this draft comp feel like the texans got fleeced?


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You know what? At least they could still **** those picks up.

Nabers is going to be a ****ing stud.

Also, I don't think the Chargers would get much more than 11 and 23. That seems like enough to go up to 4, maybe add some change.

Because they kind of did. I have a hard time understanding why the Texans did this, especially before they know what's available.

How in the world is NE in this discussion? Are they really gonna roll with Jacoby Brissett when they have the #3 pick in a QB heavy draft? I guess if they like somebody they are confident they can get at 11. Seems pretty risky, though.

If I was Jim Harbaugh and the Chargers, I think I'd just call up the Vikings and offer them Herbert for 11 and 23. Might as well jump start that rebuild.

Yeah it’s weird. I’m walking at a college tour for the kid, so I can’t really check but what’s the value chart show for that?


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I'd imagine they're targeting QB3 in the 3-5 region, not McCarthy.

The Texans traded up to get Anderson at #3 overall last year and needed to compensate for the picks they gave up in that trade. They're probably pretty happy with the team generally speaking, and are now looking to add as much depth as possible.

But all teams in the top 3 desperately need a QB. I can't see any of them punting.

Must feel like the guy they can get at 40 whatever is similar to what they'll get at 23.

They already had plenty of picks even after that trade, hence why they still had a 1st to trade.

Do we think there's any remote truth to the rumors that Herbert can be had and Harbaugh wants McCarthy?

That would be ****ing nuts

I'm not worried about them getting Marvin Harrison, Jr. Chargers had Mike Williams and Keenan Allen for years and dick dick with them.

According to PrettyRickey, the Vikes have apparently called up Arizona and inquired about #4. Taking JJ McCarthy at 4 would be insane.

If I'm Arizona, I'm not giving up Marvin for just pick 11 + 23

It's gonna probably take next year's 1st too

There's just no way. But oh man it's fun to think about.

Doesn't make sense to me from the Cardinals perspective. They already have plenty of picks. What they don't have is top tier talent.

The Chargers at 5 seems like the ideal trade spot.

There are always lots of teams that want a QB. The Cardinals are dealing with a sellers market and can drive the price higher.

I used to think that, but then I saw people talking about NE either taking MHJ or trading out and tbh it just seems like such a NE thing to do. Especially if the QB is a 'risky' or non-traditional pocket passer type.

The Patriots are not going to punt on a QB when they don't have one. Zero chance. Next year's class looks terrible.

You're right, unless the Chargers actually want McCarthy.

I'm sure it checks out but if I was the Texans I think i'd rather have the first to keep building with.

I don't think it would be nuts at all. Yeah, trading a guy like Herbert is rarely done in the NFL, the kid, while good, is expensive and you have not won shit with him, and on top of that you are in cap hell.

You have to look at this like you're Harbaugh.

You are walking into a situation where you are paying top end QB money now, don't have dick for offensive weapons. The quickest way to turn it around is trading Herbert.

The Chargers with Picks 5, 11, 23, 37, 69, 105, 110 scares me a whole lot more that the Chargers with Herbert.

It would allow the team to get whatever QB they want, inject a ton of talent at WR, and fix their cap in one offseason. It would jump start their rebuild overnight.

Race to get to Arizonas pick at #4 for JJ McCarthy. Go get it Vikings leave the Broncos with their dicks in their hands.

I'd rather that than see Minnesota jump in front of them, take McCarthy and have LAC get Harrison at 5.

The Chargers are in a damn nice spot. Sometimes being shitty has its privilege I guess.

i don't think they're wrong.

That's why I really don't have a ton of interest in trading up this year.

And their roster would be better then the Broncos and probably the Raiders just like that. Harbaugh would be starting from scratch and completely change the team.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RUMORS: There is buzz that JJ McCarthy is the player that the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Giants?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Giants</a> want to take in this year’s draft, says <a href="https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Connor_J_Hughes</a> <br><br>&quot;League sources spoke highly of McCarthy when polled by SNY. One high-ranking executive said he&#39;ll be a &#39;better pro than college player.&#39; Another… <a href="https://t.co/EfY9oucenl">pic.twitter.com/EfY9oucenl</a></p>&mdash; JPAFootball (@jasrifootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/jasrifootball/status/1768658835223290269?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 15, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah, kinda my thinking.

It's also why I won't be too upset with a bit of a "reach" at 32.

Absolutely none. They can't take a 100+ million cap hit.

Chargers are going to trade Herbert to Vikings and draft JJ

Right - that's always why these guys can't get traded.

I mean I guess Herbert could completely rip up his deal and figure out some way to convert those option bonuses into guaranteed salary that travels with him to his new team, but lord that would be complicated.

And frankly, if the option bonuses have already been paid for some reason (maybe they have and the cap hits are pro-rated out for accounting reasons; option bonuses have always been beyond my pay grade), even that wouldn't work. Those are set in stone.

Herbert's not getting traded.

And that's before mentioning if you don't like Herbert, why the **** would you ever take that job?

Exactly because there was no other reason to go to that garbage ass organization.

You never trade a young franchise QB. They're unicorns. They're the ONE thing you absolutely HAVE to have.

Herbert SHOULD be a top 5 guy, he's just been saddled with bad coaching and FO.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The STRONG expectation around the NFL right now- 4 of the first 6 picks will be QB&#39;s.</p>&mdash; Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) <a href="https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1768653330971258995?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 15, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Everyone is chasing what we have. :LOL:

Not sure why they also would get rid of vetern Wr if your going with a rookie QB with minimum salary. To me they have been clearing the way to bring in a rookie Wr and freeing up money to spend on the dee.

I agree. I would add that you can win a Super Bowl without a franchise QB as the Ravens showed with Trent Dilfer, but you can't sustain success without one.

If you gave Harbaugh truth serum, he’d admit to at least considering that move.

There are legit questions if Harbaugh and his old school philosophy/style can work with Suckbert… and meanwhile the QB who Harbaugh just won a NC with is available.

If the Chargers trade away the right to take a top 5 player to draft in the teens and 20's they're ****in dumb.

I think some of you guys need to re-evaluate J.J McCarthy.

I did my QB evals w/o any outside influence. I didn't listen to or ready anyone eles's opinion and came away with McCarthy as the 3rd best QB in this draft.

Then i start hearing things about McCarthy's stock heating up post-combine etc. Sounds to me like actual scouts really do like him.

And if Sean Payton likes him as much as people speculate, then i'm even more sure of myself. Sean, Reid and Arians were the coaches hot for Mahomes, so they know wtf they're looking at.

McCarthy has some good polish to him, looks like a very pro-level skillset.

And?

I liked the way JJ was interacting with players at the combine. He was clearly one of the guys. That stuff matters.

Haven't watched any tape.

Sure....and Will Levis was a top 5 pick last year. Everyone always says this shit before every draft.

I think it's right this go around. Who makes it out of the top 6?

I feel like a lot of fans came into this process with pre-conceived feelings/hate for McCarthy. For what reason, i have no idea.

It's like they heard this and heard that and now those tinted glasses are on when they watch/talk about McCarthy.

Imma go see what Chris Simms says about them. I haven't listened to his pods since the SB.

I'm still a tad bit skeptical, but I think it happens this time. The league seems to be genuinely high on McCarthy.

He was a game manager at Michigan.

Now maybe his physical skill set, intangibles, etc. project well in the NFL… but he looks like a bigger version of Stetson Bennett.

I don't think McCarthy goes that high. Dude is Mac Jones and EVERYONE had Mac Jones going to the 49ers.

Interesting. Simms has Nix and Pennix ahead of both McCarthy and Maye.

It's a supply/demand issue now. You've got at least three teams in the 11-19 range who need a guy and can't afford to sit back and see if they fall.

The trade ups will make it happen and the Giants would take one of the top 4 too.

A big part of that is that he ran an ancient Harbaugh Pro-Style offense.

You say "Game Manager". I say he ran Harbaugh's system the way he wanted it ran.

Vikings will pick top 10 next year. The full trade will be something like:

2024 pick 23
2024 pick 232

For

2024 pick 42
2025 pick 36
2024 pick 188

Not a bad trade for Houston at all

Totally agree with Simms' evaluation of McCarthy here. That's what i saw too. Time stamped for your convenience.

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Simms gets a lot of shit for his QB rankings every year but like, he does a better job than anyone I see when you review them years later.

Only the Zach Wilson one that I can remember being a big whiff, and that's the Jets.

And that's not a knock on either Jones or McCarthy. I think Jones got a raw deal and had his career ****ed because of the Patriots. I just don't see a franchise QB in either one of them.

You could absolutely be right, but I think McCarthy has more talent and upside than Mac Jokes did, and that wil be the difference.

I mean, the Vikings are clearly preparing to trade up for a guy, and the Giants desperately want to move on from Daniel Jones now that they have buyers remorse.

Daniel Jeremiah thinks its for Maye.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From yesterday 👇🏻 <a href="https://t.co/jk8fJ9yId6">https://t.co/jk8fJ9yId6</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) <a href="https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1768653079694774556?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 15, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I don't buy that they'll try, I just don't see any of the teams in the top 3 actually punting on a QB. All the moves from the Bears, Commanders, and Pats screams QB with their top 3 picks.

And because of that, I don't think the Vikings make that trade unless they like McCarthy too.

We might see a 2017 sort of trade where the Bears traded up one spot with the 49ers. You never know exactly what they're thinking about any of the top guys, so if they think they can trade down from say #1 to #2, or #2 to #3, they might do it.

McCarthy looks like a more mobile Sam Bradford to me. Not a strong arm but accurate.

I want a QB with a high ceiling. Can totally see why the Packers did that with Jordan Love. Love can do things you can’t teach. Things McCarthy couldn’t dream of doing

Don't see that either.

The Bears are clearly taking Caleb. The Colmmanders get their choice after. If any of the teams in the top 3 trade, it would be the Pats, and I just don't see that happening when they have no QB.

Vikings are accumulating first round picks to give them all to the Chiefs for Sneed

61 MPH ball. He has a strong arm.

For those who are wrongly under the impression that McCarthy has a weak arm, here's a list of past QB's velocity. Patrick Mahomes threw a 62 MPH, as did Josh Allen. So yeah, 61 from JJ is nice.

https://www.ourlads.com/story/defaul...2017/10243/dh/

The Pats could easily trade down, grab more picks and take a guy like Nix if he's there.

Certainly possible, even if I think it's unlikely.

You just rarely see teams trade down then take a QB. Usually, you're just going to take your guy and not **** around.

Bo Nix is about the same age as Trevor Lawrence… he was in college forever.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised then if it's:

Bears - Caleb Williams
Redskins - Jayden Daniels
Pats - J.J. McCarthy
Cardinals - Marvin Harrison Jr.
Chargers - Trade down with the Vikings.

The Chargers could still get a top WR at 11 if they wanted and add another pick to grab another player.

Yea I could definitely see it playing out like this.

Vikings would be ecstatic to only have to trade up to 5 to get Maye.

100% a move to get a QB. A lot of teams in need, and Denver right there also looking. Need this trade capital to move up and stay ahead of them.

Only half would be healthy mid season...