Earliest you'd get a punter?
Several things are worth consideration.
1. Tommy Townsend was insanely good the last couple years. 2. Effective punting, especially with a defense as good as ours, is critical. 3. Matt Araiza was a top candidate at one point, but the Chiefs aren't even his first stop since his acquittal. He had a tryout with the Jets in 2023, and they didn't elect to sign him. So, he either got really good in the past year, or he's probably a replacement-level punter, and the Chiefs need a new one. 4. Forward to 20:00 of Brett Kollman's Q&A video: <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ivaxYorfOC0?si=9-mTX2HhrZPcqbxK" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe> That leads to my question: There's a couple really good punters in this class -- would you invest a pick in one? Would you take your chances in UDFA? Or are you comfortable rolling into the season with a potentially replacement-level punter. |
Tommy Townsend was not insanely good the last couple of years. He was pretty much league average last season.
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Why is this the 2nd time that a punter is being brought up this offseason?
We're not spending a draft pick on a ****ing punter. |
We have the best punting prospect probably in history on the team already.
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Drafting a Kicker is something maybe consider in the 5th onward. Drafting a Punter, on the other hand, is not something I'd ever consider. We don't need either though.
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I mean we literally have a guy nicknamed Punt God and he's 23 and cost us a pack of bubble gum
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Also - will LRZ be our back up/emergency punter, with his rugby experience?
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"In 2022, the Ravens signed Tucker to a four-year, $24 million contract extension (with $17.5 million guaranteed)." 2 years down the line from that deal, I'll bet we're looking at a $28MM / $20MM guaranteed across 4 years for Butker. - SB winning/tying kicks - SB record setting kick - AFCCG winning/tying kicks - Multiple clutch regular season kicks I think he's probably on track to be a HOF kicker, and I think we hang on to him at least through this next contract window. |
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This team is pretty damn complete. There aren't a lot of areas on offense and defense that require a lot of draft capital. Combine that with Toub having as much influence on roster construction as any ST coach in the league, and hey. |
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I mean, I could legitimately see the team take a pick as early as the 4th if the value was right. But I'm just assuming two of the punters on the board are super good. |
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The last punt I saw him boot was three years ago. The Jets took a look at him and elected to go elsewhere. |
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Who gets angry on an internet message board over punters. |
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This is maybe the most Direkshun thread of them all. I find it absurd, but do enjoy a lot of your work. Never change buddy.
But come on. What a weird place to doubt the front office lol. |
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The earliest I'd get a punter is the summer of 2025, if Araiza doesn't work out.
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Do you think Toub / Veach signed him and let Tommy walk without having him come try out so they could evaluate his current ability? Do you think he’ll fail so spectacularly that we should use a draft pick on a punter instead of a UDFA, despite having the greatest quarterback of all time? |
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There is not such an appreciable difference between NFL-caliber punters that it affects games in some meaningful way. The ability to pin a team inside the 20 4 more times a season than any other average guy doesn't mean much. The ability to average 1 more yard per punt doesn't move the needle. It's a fallacy. When I'm home, I'll see if I can find the data on it. |
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As for punters, The Athletic reported on it last year before the draft. To quote it, from 1997-2022 only 51 punters were drafted, and of the 36 players that punted in 2022 only 18 were drafted. Using a draft pick on a punter might be the dumbest use of draft capital on the planet. My 2 cents. |
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Buddy, don't take this the wrong way, you're going on ignore. I can't envision useful continued dialogue about my favorite team while you're looking to pick fights, even in threads about punters. We both win. You get to take potshots at me without rebuttal for the rest of time. I get to continue a fulfilling life that is dotted with football conversation without enduring your omnipresent angst. You get the last word, staylor. Best wishes. |
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Nobody else brought him in (that we know of). That's all I'm saying. Every now and then you get a weirdo unicorn case, where a useful, Super Bowl caliber player is just sitting on the streets looking to sign with a team for pennies, like Donovan Smith. (For the record, I was a doubter about him too, so I'll eat my crow on this just like everybody else does sometimes.) I just don't think we can count on Araiza to be a Donovan Smith level surprise. |
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And to be clear, I'm not saying that the Jets' eval of Araiza is what's driving my skepticism. The fact that (to our knowledge) no other team brought him in says to me that this is either a Donovan Smith-level surprise, or that he's a replacement level punter. The odds suggest he's the latter. |
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He didn't just fall out of the sky. He was "sitting on the streets" for a reason, mongoloid. |
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I fully believe the Chiefs are going to bring in competition for him. |
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Maybe I'll be surprised though. My guess is that the Chiefs bring in a punter for competition. I wouldn't bet on a draft pick myself -- you guys make it sound like I'm betting on it -- but I would make a bet on competition. |
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I think, if you're going to have an elite defense, which the Chiefs may still have even after losing Sneed, having a really good punter enhances them. |
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It's not some blue moon event. Your opinion at the end of your post is fair, I just personally disagree. |
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I think you're going to have your socks blown off once preseason starts.
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Uh, is this for real? How about shortly after never? What are we, the Raiders?
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I love how just about everybody shit on this thread, but Direckshun just couldn't handle me specfically doing it.
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The Jets are dumbfux and will finish last in their division again because Aaron ****ing Rogers isn't going to save a failure of a franchise. |
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Here are EPA-driven assessments that show that there aren't vast differences in EPA by punter, but even when there are they aren't on the field enough plays for it to have a significant cumulative effect throughout a season. A best punter adding 2-3 points per SEASON is not getting you very far. I'll look for other stuff as I can here.
https://harvardsportsanalysis.org/20...f-nfl-punters/ https://www.bigblueview.com/2022/6/1...an-riley-dixon |
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You don’t know if Araiza is good at punting, but a random rookie we piss away a draft pick on will be? |
Does anyone else think its weird that more Punters don't Kick, and vise-versa?
Might be super useful to save one of those roster spots by merging the two. |
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How did this thread get to so many pages.
"UDFA only. /thread" |
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We averaged 4 punts per game in 2023. If we're giving up 4-5 yards on average over having a great punter, that's probably not going to lead to many more points against us. Now if you go ahead and do what you say here, you might be going from a difference of a punter that gets 44 ypp vs 50 ypp and 42 vs 47 net to something a lot worse. If we start handing teams, say 15 yards of extra field position regularly, that's going to result in more points against us. The motions and placement are so different, right, that you'd probably end up with a very below-average player on both fronts. |
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I'd say all of these guys are not getting drafted: Ryan Rekhow, BYU Tory Taylor, Iowa Matt Hayball, Vanderbilt Porter Wilson, Duke Austin McNamara, Texas Tech Blake Ochsendorf, Louisiana Tech Jack Browning, San Diego State Riley Thompson, Penn State Oscar Chapman, Auburn |
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I need therapy receipts from him before I reconsider. |
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Adding players from the draft and players who've just gotten cut or in free agency make more sense to me than players who have been pulled out of retirement, or been out of the league for an extended period of time. I simply trust the typical ways of adding talent more. That being said, I recognize that blind spot and that sometimes, the exception will prove me wrong. It's usually, usually a very bad idea to acquire your starting left tackle in May after the draft for like $4m, but the Chiefs pulled that off last year. So maybe Araiza still has his fastball. But I don't know. |
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Op is easily the most football dumb poster I've seen on any board
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He has a right to an opinion, we all do. I think the thought of having a "high quality" punter is kind of old school given how good all special teamers are these days and where we are at as a league with going for it on 4th down and so forth. Not much sense in putting a ton of resources into a guy that's going to make 3-5 plays kicks a game and 10 every year can all get you 44+ yards coming out of college. |
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We signed 'the punt god', and we're supposed to be DRAFTING a punter?
I don't get it. |
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They said it without saying it when they let Townsend skate out of KC. They’ll sign an UDFA or a veteran to have some camp competition for him in case The Dolphin suddenly lost it in the year he took off because he had been accused of doing Dolphin-like things. |
**** I love this place.
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Direkshun is good people though bro. I disagree with him too, I'm just not shitting down his throat and then pissing on his face for good measure. |
Earliest? Next season, after I give the new kid a look.
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I appreciate a quality debate, but it's beyond me why those shouting matches are so prevalent. |
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Well, everybody was right and wrong. Rehkow — the punter featured in the OP — is in fact a Chief now, competition for Araiza. (Tory Taylor was taken in the 4th.) He was taken as a UDFA, however. No pick was needed. |
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