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Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan 05-19-2024 04:33 PM

NFL considering allowing private equity to buy into teams
 
Private equity in the NFL? How team ownership might shift


Michael Rothstein, ESPN Staff Writer May 19, 2024, 06:49 AM ET

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...oposal-changes

A special committee of NFL owners has spent the past nine months investigating potential changes to league rules for team ownership, an attempt to grapple with a shrinking pool of potential team buyers amid soaring team valuations.

One of the possibilities on the table: allowing institutional wealth, including private equity, to invest in NFL franchises, which the league has never permitted.

Owners will likely discuss -- and potentially vote on -- the committee's research and findings at league meetings in Nashville this week.

"They've been very deliberate in the way they've evaluated different alternatives," NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said in March. "We're making progress. I think there'll be some changes, maybe as early as May, probably closer to October."

A move to allow private equity firms or institutional wealth to invest as limited partners could free up cash for owners to pursue projects such as stadium renovations and would represent a large shift in how the league has historically operated, with the majority of franchises traditionally run as family businesses with single-family ownership.

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scho63 05-19-2024 04:38 PM

May help with better decision making by committee if private equity board runs a team.

Baseball kinda does this already with LPs

ChiefsCountry 05-19-2024 05:04 PM

Going to have to with the price of the franchises. Going to be hard for one person to write the check.

PatMahomesIsGod 05-19-2024 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 17525601)
May help with better decision making by committee if private equity board runs a team.

Baseball kinda does this already with LPs

Yeah, because hedge funds and private equity TOTALLY care about the on field product.

JFC.

493rd 05-19-2024 07:44 PM

At some point in the future the NFL will be entirely PPV. Greed…inviting PE and hedge funds into the league is a horrible idea imo.

Rainbarrel 05-19-2024 08:19 PM

So they're okay with unions at this stage of profit

ping2000 05-19-2024 08:22 PM

The Blackrock Chiefs. Yeah, **** that. Evil ****ers.

Hammock Parties 05-19-2024 08:35 PM

This is ****ing disgusting and they better not ****ing do it.

You'll have teams moving cities all the ****ing time.

TwistedChief 05-19-2024 08:42 PM

I'm a hedge fund guy, and I think this is stupid. The NFL needs stewards, not some semblance of vultures.

Having said that, I don't think this is at all about Private Equity majority ownership fwiw.

ghak99 05-19-2024 08:51 PM

That's some serious cringe.

wazu 05-19-2024 09:10 PM

Yeah, do not want.

PHOG 05-20-2024 11:04 AM

This wouldn't be a good idea IMO. Profit, profit, profit. Much more so than now IMO.

FloridaMan88 05-20-2024 11:08 AM

Saudi Arabia may want in on this.

Mecca 05-20-2024 11:11 AM

Saw this shit coming a mile away, all they care about is profit and allowing this will make them doing expansion easier.

Pasta Little Brioni 05-20-2024 11:33 AM

Greedy pieces of shit. Squeeze every penny out of us already now you want mercenaries that won't give a **** about anything nut bottom line profit? Yeah..no

ThrobProng 05-20-2024 11:38 AM

"It's not broken, but let's **** with it anyway!"

Woogieman 05-20-2024 11:42 AM

Give 'em a break guys, there are no more homes to buy.

Mecca 05-20-2024 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17526054)
Greedy pieces of shit. Squeeze every penny out of us already now you want mercenaries that won't give a **** about anything nut bottom line profit? Yeah..no

I can't wait to see how people respond when the schedule is 18 games with 2 byes, there are 40 teams, 16 of those teams make the playoffs and the NFL season lasts from the end of August until the beginning of March.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-20-2024 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17525819)
This is ****ing disgusting and they better not ****ing do it.

You'll have teams moving cities all the ****ing time.

They will, and Clark is helping lead the charge on it.

Mecca 05-20-2024 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 17526074)
They will, and Clark is helping lead the charge on it.

Yea Clark is basically the head of the finance committee so this is something he's leading.

ThrobProng 05-20-2024 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 17526074)
They will, and Clark is helping lead the charge on it.

You don't get to be a multibillionaire without crushing some "little people" along the way.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-20-2024 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ThrobProng (Post 17526079)
You don't get to be a multibillionaire without crushing some "little people" along the way.

You don't have to if you're a nepo baby, but I digress.

Here's the plan:

Get multiple new expansion teams. Each expansion fee will be north of a billion dollars, maybe even two billion. That's a straight check to each owner. If they expand by eight teams, then each owner will get somewhere between 250-500 million. They'll get a smaller cut in the media deal, but an NFL deal with international teams would be worth far more, so they'll get a smaller piece of a much, much larger pie.

At least the slave-labor-built stadium in Riyadh will be a dome, I guess.

Mecca 05-20-2024 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 17526102)
You don't have to if you're a nepo baby, but I digress.

Here's the plan:

Get multiple new expansion teams. Each expansion fee will be north of a billion dollars, maybe even two billion. That's a straight check to each owner. If they expand by eight teams, then each owner will get somewhere between 250-500 million. They'll get a smaller cut in the media deal, but an NFL deal with international teams would be worth far more, so they'll get a smaller piece of a much, much larger pie.

At least the slave-labor-built stadium in Riyadh will be a dome, I guess.

It's funny how people don't see all this coming a mile away.

More teams longer season more games, more money.

Rainbarrel 05-20-2024 12:21 PM

They'll frost the insides of the beer cups to save a tablespoon of beer. It adds up!

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-20-2024 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17526110)
It's funny how people don't see all this coming a mile away.

More teams longer season more games, more money.

I'm just waiting for them to institute transfer fees. Then you'll have Saudi-backed teams buying the rights to players from teams that draft guys not as players, but pure financial instruments.

tk13 05-20-2024 12:37 PM

The ruthlessness of making money will be the first thing people talk about for obvious reasons and that's all correct. But even in terms of the on-field product, I could see a world where if this happens, it will lead football into a baseball direction where a lot of the decision makers aren't football guys but businessmen. Leaning very much into analytics, GMs making decisions over coaches, etc... all the things you're seeing in baseball where the game is run by businessmen with ruthless efficiency. It'd be interesting to see how that played out.

Mecca 05-20-2024 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 17526137)
The ruthlessness of making money will be the first thing people talk about for obvious reasons and that's all correct. But even in terms of the on-field product, I could see a world where if this happens, it will lead football into a baseball direction where a lot of the decision makers aren't football guys but businessmen. Leaning very much into analytics, GMs making decisions over coaches, etc... all the things you're seeing in baseball where the game is run by businessmen with ruthless efficiency. It'd be interesting to see how that played out.

Well that would be interesting seeing as baseball is a much more stats driven game than football is.

Pitt Gorilla 05-20-2024 01:08 PM

What, did Blackrock run out of family homes to buy?

MahomesMagic 05-20-2024 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PatMahomesIsGod (Post 17525713)
Yeah, because hedge funds and private equity TOTALLY care about the on field product.

JFC.

Yeah, if you see how private equity strip mined American companies, fired productive people and sold off assets just to get a quick buck this is not a positive development at all.

ChiefsCountry 05-20-2024 01:19 PM

Again this is being done because the NFL rules of one owner is being harder because franchise value's have skyrocketed. The amount of individuals that can write a check for six billion dollars is very very limited.

suzzer99 05-20-2024 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PatMahomesIsGod (Post 17525713)
Yeah, because hedge funds and private equity TOTALLY care about the on field product.

JFC.

This x1000. Private equity actually has all kinds of perverse incentives where they make more money by running companies into the ground then turning them around.

Mecca 05-20-2024 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 17526173)
Again this is being done because the NFL rules of one owner is being harder because franchise value's have skyrocketed. The amount of individuals that can write a check for six billion dollars is very very limited.

Rich people are worth more money than ever before...just a lot of them have no interest in owning a sports team.

Ocotillo 05-20-2024 01:54 PM

Who would be the face of the private equity ownership? Some figurehead? Or would they be under the radar?

Who would like to see Martin Shkreli be the face of an NFL ownership?

Bowser 05-20-2024 02:33 PM

This.......is a really bad idea.

How about these people looking to be the actual investors create an honest to goodness NFL minor league set of franchises endorsed by the NFL itself, and not some UFL amalgam put together from the remnants of the XFL and USFL by Dwayne Johnson's fever dreams to rule the entertainment industry? They can still get in on NFL bucks and lifestyles while promoting a league that can honestly be used by the league as an option to groom younger players that might not have made the splash in college that they were capable of?

TL;DR - stop screwing with a product that doesn't need to be screwed with.

GloucesterChief 05-20-2024 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 17526227)
This.......is a really bad idea.

How about these people looking to be the actual investors create an honest to goodness NFL minor league set of franchises endorsed by the NFL itself, and not some UFL amalgam put together from the remnants of the XFL and USFL by Dwayne Johnson's fever dreams to rule the entertainment industry? They can still get in on NFL bucks and lifestyles while promoting a league that can honestly be used by the league as an option to groom younger players that might not have made the splash in college that they were capable of?

TL;DR - stop screwing with a product that doesn't need to be screwed with.

But you see there are more golden eggs in that goose. We just have to open her up.

Rain Man 05-20-2024 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 17526176)
This x1000. Private equity actually has all kinds of perverse incentives where they make more money by running companies into the ground then turning them around.

T. Boone Pickens would have bought the Raiders and sold off the offensive line to a highway construction firm in Brazil and the linebacker corps to a rebel movement in the Congo.

scho63 05-20-2024 03:35 PM

You guys are blind and foolish.

Jets
Browns
Lions
Panthers
Redskins
Cardinals
Chargers
Falcons
Dolphins
Raiders
Giants
Titans
Texans
Bears
Packers
Vikings
Bills
Cowboys

Last 25 years or more, what success have they had on the field, drafting or other overall success. More than half the league.

I'm not saying hedge funds will be better but for many franchises, it couldn't hurt.

You guys have picked a villain and it's tainting your thought process.

A billionaire can buy it as a hobby like Paul Allen or Arthur Blank or Ford Family or the Mara family.

Maybe just maybe collective thinking could make some better decisions.

Has every owner played football? Of course not but they run a football team.

Football gets the fans these days no matter what shit they put on the field

DJ's left nut 05-20-2024 04:11 PM

Problem with Hedge Funds is, near as I can figure it, they have a fiduciary obligation to maximize profit.

Granted, sometimes these charters will allow some flexibility, but the idea that you're going to write a shitload of checks, underwrite a year or two of losses and push your chips in for a shot at a 'ship doesn't really check out against what those fiduciary obligations tend to be.

This feels like a terrible idea.

And fellas - here's a hint: I don't care what Forbes says - if nobody wants to buy your team, it isn't 'worth' what Forbes says it is.

If there's a shrinking pool of buyers because evals are too high, then maybe the problem is the evals, fellas. Because ownership groups writ large aren't new and they aren't a problem. By and large, they tend to work out fairly well and there's no shortage of very rich people that would like to be even 3-5% owners of an NFL franchise.

UNLESS you've priced that franchise too damn high. And if you have, I'm not sure how a Hedge Fund can actually justify that purchase to its investors.

Balto 05-20-2024 04:43 PM

"The NFL's ownership rules are widely regarded as being the most restrictive in professional sports. They require the lead investor of an ownership group to have at least a 30 percent equity stake in the purchase. No ownership group can exceed 25 people, including the lead investor."

I don't like the idea and for the NFL to play it up as "Teams are too expensive to buy and not enough rich people to buy them"....

Maybe a team comes up for sale every 5 years on average? I think there are plenty of wealth out there to purchase 30% of a team to make it happen.

scho63 05-20-2024 04:54 PM

I think NFL Thursday Night Games are a worse idea than allowing private equity to buy a club.

scho63 05-20-2024 04:55 PM

I also think part time refs are really foolish.

All the money the league gets, refs should be full time, highly trained, full time and taken care of.

Chris Meck 05-21-2024 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 17525601)
May help with better decision making by committee if private equity board runs a team.

Baseball kinda does this already with LPs

Doing the opposite of MLB is almost always a better idea. It's how the NFL got here.

Pitt Gorilla 05-21-2024 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 17526270)
You guys are blind and foolish.

Jets
Browns
Lions
Panthers
Redskins
Cardinals
Chargers
Falcons
Dolphins
Raiders
Giants
Titans
Texans
Bears
Packers
Vikings
Bills
Cowboys

Last 25 years or more, what success have they had on the field, drafting or other overall success. More than half the league.

I'm not saying hedge funds will be better but for many franchises, it couldn't hurt.

You guys have picked a villain and it's tainting your thought process.

A billionaire can buy it as a hobby like Paul Allen or Arthur Blank or Ford Family or the Mara family.

Maybe just maybe collective thinking could make some better decisions.

Has every owner played football? Of course not but they run a football team.

Football gets the fans these days no matter what shit they put on the field

LMAO

HonestChieffan 05-21-2024 11:01 AM

Imagine free enterprise in sports.

JPH83 05-21-2024 12:49 PM

Horrible idea they can stick up their @ss

|Zach| 05-21-2024 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 17525601)
May help with better decision making by committee if private equity board runs a team.

Baseball kinda does this already with LPs

Are you a real person or do you just post things to get reactions from people.

There is no way a human person not affiliated with one of these organizations and stands to profit from it thinks this.

Jamie 05-21-2024 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 17526102)
Each expansion fee will be north of a billion dollars, maybe even two billion. That's a straight check to each owner. If they expand by eight teams, then each owner will get somewhere between 250-500 million.

I think the expansion fee would be way higher than that, like at least $5 billion. There was talk that the NBA expansion fee would be $2.5 billion, and Adam Silver came out publicly and said that was way too low. The rumor is they're looking for $5-$6 billion per team.

I think the issue is the expansion fee almost has to be an overpay, because you have to incentivize the other owners to give up a share of media revenue. I heard Mark Cuban on a podcast say he was against expansion for that reason, that he just saw it as a loan they'd never stop paying back.

The only way I could see it being less is if it was part of a big move into Europe, like putting 8 teams in Europe at the same time.

tk13 05-21-2024 01:59 PM

Yeah I don't get it, everyone here complains on how baseball is run and now they're making good decisions? I mean I still enjoy baseball but teams are run with ruthless business efficiency now. None of the old school football fans here are going to like that if it happens to football.


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