Let's actually talk about the Chiefs. (WRs)
 

Roughly 100% of the threads on the front page right now are not discussions of the 2024 Kansas City Chiefs, my favorite team.

I would like to know what you think the WR depth chart is going to be (injuries excepting):

a.) at the start of the season
b.) at the end of the season

Here's the WRs on the roster right now:

Phillip Brooks
Hollywood Brown
Mecole Hardman
Jaaron Hayek
Skyy Moore
Cornell Powell
Nikko Remigio
Rashee Rice
Justyn Ross
Kadarius Toney
Montrell Washington
Justin Watson
Xavier Worthy

CM Punk is a Chiefs WR? I hope there aren't in meeting room brawls.

Week 1 (Rice suspended):

Hollywood Brown
Xavier Worthy
Justin Watson
Mecole Hardman
Skyy Moore
Nikko Remigio
Kadarius Toney

Week 17:

Rashee Rice
Hollywood Brown
Xavier Worthy
Justin Watson
Nikko Remigio
Mecole Hardman
Kadarius Toney

You know I’ve got a really weird feeling that Skyy is actually going to have a maybe 400ish yard 4 TD season. Nothing special at all but far more substantial than the bag of shit he was. I think a good chunk of that production happens in a 2-3 week span. A couple of those TDs will happen during then, and that will really get peoples' hopes up. And it’s going to breed a small bizarre and very faction of Chief fans who become fans of his, and we end up fighting another mini-Alex war on this board.

It's hard for me to think they have any hope for him at all with the moves they've made.

How?

How on earth can Skyy get open in any way other than being schemed open? And if you're going to scheme someone open, there's five other receivers who are more explosive.

Hollywood Brown
Mecole Hardman
Nikko Remigio (Starts season until Rice gets back, or SP)
Justin Watson
Xavier Worthy
Rashee Rice

I think remigio is a the wild card and that he has a legit chance to replace skyy on the roster.i don’t think Reid cuts skyy for a speed or gadget guy. Remigio seems like he could be a better version of what skyy was supposed to be. Which isn’t that high of a bar.

I would think the following 5 are most likely making the roster:

Brown
Worthy
Rice
Toney
Hardman

The last one is a toss up, but I would lean towards:

Watson
Remigo
Moore

JWat is going to another Super Bowl.

Not even remotely on the roster bubble.

I don’t think Rice gets suspended this year.

It's a premonition, not a logical prediction. It doesn't have to make sense.

The guy who was healthy for the SB, yet was made inactive being a shoo in is always weird to me.

What we really needed skyy to do was run good routes and make some noise in short and immediate field, especially on catch and run. With all the crazy speed we have that stuff is gonna be there for the taking. We don’t need a world beater here. But skyy doesn’t even hit that bar. Remigio seems to bring much more polish to just get the job done. Just run the right route and hit your damn spot. I feel optimistic he can do that.

It generally comes down to the investment that was made in him and you can actually see his talent level.

Skyy Moore is basically the Breeland Speaks of the offense, 2nd round pick, scrub etc.

At least with Toney I can see he can get open.

If Toney can actually catch the ball he'd be pretty ****ing nasty underneath of all that speed.

I’ve been burned SNR. Don’t become a Mooreon like I was.

He's a headcase, who led to multiple turnovers last year and has had multiple meltdowns.

Seems his "potential" is limitless

Not to mention he's experienced like 2 total practices of an Andy Reid training camp.

I don't think he's getting the benefit of the doubt this time if there's a dinger injury that keeps him out for weeks of the offseason. Not unless something happens to Hardman and all the other guys who have kick return potential are just complete hot garbage.

But you and I both know that teams look at talent like that. They think they can fix the guy who has immense talent as opposed to getting something out of that dude who can't get open.

I think Toney has more value than Moore does.

He could be but we have so many nasty playmakers with cartoonish speed and wiggle right now. I just want one guy who mahomes knows will be in the right spot every single time. That to me is the only reason we keep skyy around even though he doesn’t even do that well.

What’s the point of keeping Toney when there’s 3 guys already here that do exactly what he does?

Skyy's here cause he's a 2nd round pick on a rookie contract.

All of these signings though say to me none of those guys are guaranteed spots.

Actually...who does what he does?

Locks:

Hollywood
Rice
Worthy
Watson

Battling for 2-3 spots:

Hardman
Remigio
Toney
Moore

3 guys who gift the opponent victories by dropping passes and have a reeruned rap alter-ego?

Because the year prior he played very well for KC after the trade. Last year it was mental, but the talent is still there. There’s no one outside of the locks at WR who has his talent. If he can’t show that his mind is right during training camp and preseason then cut him.

Hardman, Worthy and I think Hollywood could do that role as well. The only thing that Toney does that they don’t is the RB role but he barely does that anyway

Pretty spot on. They will drop Sky to the PS as injury insurance when Rice is available

I get the feeling we're going to have a lot of Remigio circle jerks only for him to be released.

Toney has the longest punt return in SB history and also did a one legged hop TD all the way through the endzone.

We have nobody else that's done either of those things

You just gave a complete list of Toney's significant contributions to the Chiefs, and one of those things doesn't involve being a WR.

He should've been gone after the offsides call versus the Bills, if not sooner.

For the record that was an absolute awful call, by that standard offensive players lineup offsides 50% of the time.

Yeah, but he shouldn't have been on the field anyway.

It's a tradition as old as time itself. The one "off the radar" guy (Remigio might have a bit more cred than that at this point but still) that CP falls in love with that is a virtual lock to amount to jack shit. I'm not making fun of any individual per se, as I have been in on a couple myself over the years, but it just goes to show how much more difficult it is to be a GM/coach/talent evaluator in the NFL than what your average message board jabroni thinks. Almost none of those guys that get cut ever go on to do shit in the NFL, proving the pros right and the keyboard jockeys wrong.

He supposedly has had a strong OTA’s the past few weeks… with like half of the WR depth chart not practicing.

Nah, I get his role but he’s just really not good at it. We have speed guys and we have Watson who needs to play with a lot of depth. Skyy is supposed to be that slot underneath guy who just runs real good routes and reads defenses well. He just sucks at both. Rice did some of that catch and run but I think most of us would like to see the chiefs use him more aggressively with a year under his belt (and that’s assuming he plays a full season). Add on top of that skyy is a willing system blocker.

Believe me I think the guy is a waste of space. I am just speaking to why they will probably keep him around unless they find a similar role guy. And everything in remigios scouting report indicates that he plays the same type of game.

Nah, I don’t think we’ll see any of that. Hopefully we all learned that lesson the hard way last year. It’s more about eagerness for skyy to not waste space and hoping Niko can clear that low bar

Toney seems to act like we owe him something instead of taking responsibility for what he needs to improve. Until he starts showing up and producing I think he is the odd man out. He has more talent than Moore, but his head is rarely right. I hope I am wrong, because he has the talent to be in the top 3 as a receiving threat on this team, but I doubt he will put in the work to show it to us.

Brown
Rice
Worthy
Watson
Hardman
Moore
Toney

*Slight chance that Remigio gets upgraded if Moore or Toney are somehow traded.

Skyy Moore is a zone beating sure handed possession receiver. He’s designed to beat zone coverage.

Last year we faced endless amounts of man coverage due to poor speed/acceleration at wr.

This year we will face less man coverage.

I don’t think skyy will do that well but there’s your rationale .

I think they keep Toney for the new return rule, as they may need two returners out there now.

LRZ, Worthy, Toney, Mecole. And I think Worthy moves into the starting lineup very early, and since he's a string bean, they may choose to roll with the other 3 options.

I think Skyy gets cut after camp, or it will come down to Skyy and Mecole for the final slot.

We have not heard anything from Toney on social media since his outburst right before the Super Bowl. Maybe that was part of the conditions from Reid, Veach, and Hunt on remaining on the Cheifs roster. I am assuming the leash is short too. (I also assume Rice has probably been issued a list of non-acceptable actions by that trio.)

Hardman is useful because he can be the burner that gives Brown and Worthy a breather when they need it along with his gadget stuff. Rice is the YAC/Zone beater when teams go zone heavy.

Watson is a lock, too sturdy as depth. Sounds like Remigio is working his way on the roster and that might make Skyy expendable, even though I think he could still be useful as ONLY a slot player. Ross still provides a skill the others don't, and for that reason he has a shot to stick.

I get that Toney is talented but he's so damn unreliable and if he won't accept a gadget role, he shouldn't be left to linger.

Andy doesn't do "slot" only players. They all move around alot.

Give Remgio Skyy Moore's spot

He should think about moving Skyy Moore around a lot. Preferably moving him as far out as Canada.

That’s not a position within any formation in the playbook that I’m aware of

People practically held funerals last year when Smith-Marsette found himself on the short end of the numbers game, but Remigio demonstrated a LOT for a rookie free agent WR last year. He wasn't just some impressive returner who could punk insurance salesmen in the final preseason game.

His injury last year was a separated shoulder, not some ligament tear or an injury with a super longterm recovery. I'm certainly not gonna call it fake IR, but they clearly chose the IR stash route and not the practice squad route, and to me that should raise an eyebrow or two or at least indicate that Remigio is a bit different.

He still has an uphill climb, but there's definitely a path, and that's more than you can say for most of these nobody WRs that people fall in love with during preseason.

We've already got Corndog. I'll bet Andy could craft up a Poutine.

If he's crafting up a Skyy Moore play then Skyline Chili would be apt.

I think that the legal process is still ongoing at the start of the season and Rice is on the active roster week 1. He will get suspended for 4 weeks mid season at the soonest and in reality, could play all season as the legal process works through. Much like Frank Clark and his gun charges.
Wk1
Rice
Brown
Worthy
Watson
Toney
Moore
Remigo

Wk17
Rice
Brown
Worthy
Watson
Remigo
Hardman
Moore

Hardman will be insurance on the practice squad and come up when Toney lands on IR.

In the case of Moore, then you have to trade him for a sandwich.

Some guys are slot only, Edelman was. Nothing wrong with it but if you can't let them play it that way, move on.

Pick your poison.


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Tony might very well land on the IR, but Hardman is better than Toney. Hardman is making the 53 from day 1.

He might do it. But you know that nobody is going to claim him. We grabbed him in June for league minimum. There's no market for him. So, he makes a nice insurance piece that doesn't have to be protected on the 53 man roster. Toney was a first round pick, Moore was a second round pick. Both still on their rookie contract. There's always someone out there willing to see if a change of scenery works out. Not to mention, I think that their money is guaranteed, so the Chiefs don't gain any cap space by cutting them. Hardman is past that point. His money isn't guaranteed. Deserving of not, I could see Moore and Toney staying on the 53 for just that reason. Especially if they decide to just keep 6 receivers so that they can keep 4 tight ends and/or Zammit.

FYP

Week 17

Hollywood Brown
Xavier Worthy
Rashee Rice
Mecole Hardman
Justin Watson
Nikko Remigio

That looks damn good to me.

3 legit WR options with a good TE.

We'll be back to the 22 offense at MINIMUM

Is this a let's look at what's in my notebook full of stupid crap.

Don't forget about Jared Wiley. Dude is going to ball out for sure.

I'd not put too much weight to Hardman's roster spot. He's making just above practice squad money.

2024-2024 Free Agent
Mecole Hardman signed a 1 year , $1,125,000 contract with the Kansas City Chiefs, including an average annual salary of $1,125,000. In 2024, Hardman will earn a base salary of $1,125,000, while carrying a cap hit of $985,000.

I can't tell if this is bad for Rice or good for Brown and X.

But that's a DAMN good situation to be in if it plays out like this.

I'm surprised about the love Toney is getting i think he gets cut before the end of August.

Moore is gonna break out.

Agreed. He has competition now with guys who do similar things. And even if he does pull it together you have to assume he can do it consistently. And he has to be so valuable that you’d hold a roster spot for a guy who notoriously misses 75% of the season. The chiefs don’t have the luxury anymore to hold these kinds of spots anymore.

I was thinking that with Moore in the huddle, Patrick could call a play where he turns to Moore and says (like we all used to in playground football) Skyy, you just start running until you hear me yell "Stop"....

When Moore asks...."how far"....Patrick could just say....."Alaska would be fine"

He couldn't break out of anything, even if the door was unlocked.

I agree that Toney might have some value with the new Kickoff Return rules.

I'm pretty sure we'll see some imaginative plays from Andy on those Kickoffs this year.

Until he has a "hamstring issue" doesn't practice, fumbles then has a psychotic breakdown on social media from the locker room.

I am of the opinion that Tony doesn’t deserve a roster spot. When you look at how he performed last year, his bullshit antics, and his not showing up for any of the team functions I come to the conclusion that he’s a ****ing cancer. Take the Hit on the Cap and flush the piece of crap.

I am also at the opinion that is why Nicole Hardman is back on such a cheap deal. They realize with that cap hit In order to make the team somebody’s got to be able to play At a rock bottom salary.

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What antics? It was revealed that his little IG tirade was directed at Giants fans, not the Chiefs.

What functions did he not attend? He was at the parade...he was celebrating with his team after the SB win...not sure what you're referring to.

Now, he didn't show up to voluntary OTA's, which is an odd move for him. I'll give you that.

But it's not like he's out there arguing with Pat on the sidelines, wrecking Lambos or getting involved in nightclub assaults. He's not out there getting caught with weed, failing drug tests, destroying his GF's electronics, making a spectacle of himself with politics or beating up appliances.

Toney's big sin is that his lack of focus resulted in turnovers and losses. And he's always hurt.

Don't really need to add on more to it than that.

Toney is a strange case because he has a total lack of awareness even after he makes blatant and bad mistakes. Like when he was blatantly offsides and he claims he didn’t even know it was a penalty until hours later. And it doesn’t seem to be lack of caring. He’s just a space cadet. And that’s a weird spot where he doesn’t take accountability for his mistakes but it isn’t because he’s a bad guy.

This is exactly right. I think Toney has really good intentions and is probably a good dude, he's just not really all there. He kind of reminds me of Jamaal Charles.

True but Charles had outstanding football iq. Toney doesn’t, which is where they are also very different.

I would count starting a distraction prior to the superbowl as an antic. Enough so that he was a healthy scratch.

Celebrating a parade for a championship that arguably was despite of his play instead because of his play isn’t important. Improving and showing your commitment to the team is. When’s the last time he’s done that.

A: Start of Season

1. Brown
2. Watson
3. Worthy
4. Hardman
5. Moore
6. Toney
7. Remigio

I think they'll give Toney a chance out of the gate, especially if Rice starts the season suspended. Idea here would be he gets a trial with Rice out, and if he doesn't do much with it, you move on at that point. Same thing with Moore.

B: End of Season

1. Brown
2. Rice
3. Worthy
4. Watson
5. Hardman
6. Remigio

I'm seeing them tighten things up here, basically, as the season goes on.

I'd have a lot more confidence in Toney if he ever once demonstrated that football is his highest priority and greatness was his goal. There are a few examples of really good NFL players that got there with less than great focus and work ethic, even with superior physical traits. He has never demonstrated winning characteristics, and I don't think he starts now. Likely cut at some point in the season.

Guys that are always nicked up miss practice. That equals...well not ideal things.