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Buehler445 07-30-2024 05:05 AM

7/30/24 Daily Training Camp Thread
 
No practice today, but we'll see what comes out about any of the storylines.

kysirsoze 07-30-2024 05:45 AM

I'm so excited for this season that I'll be desperately checking this non training camp training camp thread all day.

TLO 07-30-2024 07:26 AM

It's hot as **** outside. Even at 8:30am.
Probably a good thing they aren't having practice.

Though the whole next week is supposed to be like this.

Dunerdr 07-30-2024 07:28 AM

I think were sleeping on Hollywood hard. he's going to have the intermediate Juju type role but with speed Juju never dreamed of.

Buehler445 07-30-2024 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17607261)
I think were sleeping on Hollywood hard. he's going to have the intermediate Juju type role but with speed Juju never dreamed of.

I think the beauty of Hollywood, Worthy, and Mecole is that no one is limited to a role (except maybe Worthy if they have to slow play the playbook for him). One of the biggest plays of the Super Bowl was Hardman who was filling a "gadget guy" role went deep late and made a huge play.

That's the great thing about the current setup, we can anyone (including Rice and Watson) anytime it's advantageous.

Run whoever has the slowest crappiest corner and no safety help deep. And the thing with a guy like Hollywood, is the ****er might score on the underneath shit if the clearout action Reid loves to run works. He did some of that in Arizona.

Man. I'm excited. Let's turn the dial to rape on these bitches.

O.city 07-30-2024 09:09 AM

If Rice is really opening up his deep game....it could get real fun.

TinyEvel 07-30-2024 09:39 AM

No practice today, good time to talk about third-tier storylines.

What's up with punting? Is punt God booting 80 yarders into the crowd that nobody's talking about?

and TMZ or RJZ or whatever the Aussie footballer guys name is. How's he doing? Last film I saw he took a handoff and looked like he was reminding himself in his head what to do as he did it. "secure ball, head down, run forward, feet moving in smaller strides..." ZAMMIT CARL! :cuss:

O.city 07-30-2024 09:43 AM

The rugby dude ain't gonna make it. There's just too much you need to innately know how to do at this level that you learn by playing for years. He can't do that in one offseason.

I'm not sure what's gonna happen at the back end of the WR group. Is Hardman a for sure in?

ToxSocks 07-30-2024 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17607496)
The rugby dude ain't gonna make it. There's just too much you need to innately know how to do at this level that you learn by playing for years. He can't do that in one offseason.

I'm not sure what's gonna happen at the back end of the WR group. Is Hardman a for sure in?

Yeah it's hard to see LRZ making the team, especially with the Deneric Prince hype heating up once again.

And i think it'll be another season where we carry 7 WR's.

Locks:

Worthy
Brown
Rice
Watson.

Most likely:

Hardman
Toney

And then Remigio and Ross will once again battle it out for the potential last WR spot. Sounds like both guys are going to make the decision hard for the Chiefs.

O.city 07-30-2024 10:02 AM

If you can use Toney in a RB/WR/KR/PR fashion and just ride it til it breaks, that opens up somethings.

Prince seems to be having a great camp, so that's nice.

Coogs 07-30-2024 10:09 AM

If we go 4 TE's this year, does that take a WR spot off the table? I have read talk about going with 4 TE's.

In58men 07-30-2024 10:17 AM

Not sure why this rugby player is getting so much hype. I legit said he wouldn’t do much given the history of success rugby players have in the league. It has never worked out lol.

Mike in SW-MO 07-30-2024 10:18 AM

The philthiest play I have seen so far was Rice deep down the middle with Worthy workin in underneath then breaking into the clear for the TD. So nasty.

Brown, Worthy, & Rice are showing they can all go deep or work underneath. This is gonna be fun.

JPH83 07-30-2024 10:22 AM

Might have been DJ who talked about the value of Hill being both that he was fast, and that his stamina was insane. Could just go forever at that pace. That's the big value, for me, of having Worthy, Brown and Hardman. It's going to exhaust teams.

RustShack 07-30-2024 10:31 AM

Anyone have cliff notes of how training camp has been so far? Who’s been sticking out? Who looks improved? Who might steal a roster spot? Who could start that didn’t last year?

Danguardace 07-30-2024 10:31 AM

Random thought Is it possible Justin Reid is not injured just holding in?

BigRedChief 07-30-2024 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 17607540)
If we go 4 TE's this year, does that take a WR spot off the table? I have read talk about going with 4 TE's.

No way we carry 4 TE's. That'll be a waste of a spot. WR's tweak stuff all the time. Can miss 3-4 weeks. We have too much talent at WR to sit one on the bench for a 4th TE? Especially with Wiley looking good in camp.

O.city 07-30-2024 10:36 AM

Irv Smith JR having a good camp, I wouldn't be shocked with 6 WR's and 4 TE's.

Coogs 07-30-2024 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17607583)
Irv Smith JR having a good camp, I wouldn't be shocked with 6 WR's and 4 TE's.

Same here.

Dunerdr 07-30-2024 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17607555)
Not sure why this rugby player is getting so much hype. I legit said he wouldn’t do much given the history of success rugby players have in the league. It has never worked out lol.

A lot of people said he wouldn’t make it just to hear HiM rUn TwEnNy FoUr MaLl An OwEr

ToxSocks 07-30-2024 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17607580)
No way we carry 4 TE's. That'll be a waste of a spot.

Reid has done it before.

wazu 07-30-2024 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danguardace (Post 17607575)
Random thought Is it possible Justin Reid is not injured just holding in?

Would think that would have been reported on, but then again we still have Teicher.

BigRedChief 07-30-2024 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToxSocks (Post 17607638)
Reid has done it before.

When we have had a weak WR room.

Bowser 07-30-2024 11:13 AM

Regarding LRZ - didn't we sign him to a 3 year deal? That being the case, I'd be really shocked if he's not active against the Ravens. I suppose they could PUP him or put him on the designated IR list, but I have a real feeling he'll be suited up week 1.

Bowser 07-30-2024 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17607580)
No way we carry 4 TE's. That'll be a waste of a spot. WR's tweak stuff all the time. Can miss 3-4 weeks. We have too much talent at WR to sit one on the bench for a 4th TE? Especially with Wiley looking good in camp.

Noah Gray has been lining up in that FB/H-Back role a ton, supposedly. I could absolutely see us keeping 4 TEs and putting a couple of the receivers on the practice squad (is Hardman eligible for that, or is he too veteran for the PS now? Maybe even Remigio, even though I want him active).

Wisconsin_Chief 07-30-2024 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 17607673)
Noah Gray has been lining up in that FB/H-Back role a ton, supposedly. I could absolutely see us keeping 4 TEs and putting a couple of the receivers on the practice squad (is Hardman eligible for that, or is he too veteran for the PS now? Maybe even Remigio, even though I want him active).

I completely forgot we even signed Irv Smith. That's an insane group of TEs we've got going. The WR room is so much deeper though, too. There are going to be some talented guys who don't make this roster, and we'll just have to hope we can stash them on the PS.

Any veteran is eligible for the PS with the new rules, but I don't think Hardman is getting cut. Man, it's going to be a battle for these WRs and TEs. Should bring out the best in all of them.

philfree 07-30-2024 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 17607669)
Regarding LRZ - didn't we sign him to a 3 year deal? That being the case, I'd be really shocked if he's not active against the Ravens. I suppose they could PUP him or put him on the designated IR list, but I have a real feeling he'll be suited up week 1.

I don't know that he's ready for the game day roster but he's perfect for the practice squad. That said doesn't he get some kind of special roster exemption for being a foreigner?

Kiimo 07-30-2024 01:33 PM

Hardman's not going on the practice squad you can bet he'll be a receiver and get snaps

In58men 07-30-2024 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 17607934)
Hardman's not going on the practice squad you can bet he'll be a receiver and get snaps

It’ll be Skyy Moore before Hardman

JohnnyHammersticks 07-30-2024 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 17607682)
I completely forgot we even signed Irv Smith. That's an insane group of TEs we've got going. The WR room is so much deeper though, too. There are going to be some talented guys who don't make this roster, and we'll just have to hope we can stash them on the PS.

Any veteran is eligible for the PS with the new rules, but I don't think Hardman is getting cut. Man, it's going to be a battle for these WRs and TEs. Should bring out the best in all of them.

By all accounts Irv has been looking really nice so far. I said at the time that he was an underrated signing. He's flashed some nice potential during his time in the league, just had a hard time staying healthy.

Dunerdr 07-30-2024 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17607945)
It’ll be Skyy Moore before Hardman

Could see Hardman agreeing to a deal where hes cut and stashed to get someone else on the week one roster so they can IR them later or whatever. But fully agree. Skyy is gone before Hardman and that's crazy because KC just let Hardman walk a season ago.

BWillie 07-30-2024 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17607945)
It’ll be Skyy Moore before Hardman

I dont see why

ToxSocks 07-30-2024 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 17607574)
Anyone have cliff notes of how training camp has been so far? Who’s been sticking out? Who looks improved? Who might steal a roster spot? Who could start that didn’t last year?

Pretty much every notable WR has spent time in the 1st string offense with Mahomes. Offense has been getting the better of the two units for the most part. Mahomes has been able to find all of his new toys downfield at one point or another.

Deneric Prince has gotten the 2nd string gig while CEH has been dealing with PTSD.

Kinglsey seems to have taken hold of the LT job over Wanya.

Thuney just returned to practice yesterday.

No one has been able to take the 2nd CB job by the balls yet, they're constantly rotating guys there.

Dunerdr 07-30-2024 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToxSocks (Post 17608009)
Pretty much every notable WR has spent time in the 1st string offense with Mahomes. Offense has been getting the better of the two units for the most part. Mahomes has been able to find all of his new toys downfield at one point or another.

Deneric Prince has gotten the 2nd string gig while CEH has been dealing with PTSD.

Kinglsey seems to have taken hold of the LT job over Wanya.

Thuney just returned to practice yesterday.

No one has been able to take the 2nd CB job by the balls yet, they're constantly rotating guys there.

Would really like to hear that Williams is having more ups than downs.

Kman34 07-30-2024 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 17607669)
Regarding LRZ - didn't we sign him to a 3 year deal? That being the case, I'd be really shocked if he's not active against the Ravens. I suppose they could PUP him or put him on the designated IR list, but I have a real feeling he'll be suited up week 1.

He’s going to be a practice squad player this year because he gets an exemption… If there isn’t a marked improvement by next year he’s gone… I’m interested to see him in a preseason game then to see if he can maybe play someday. I really don’t think he’s going to pan out.. These guys seldom do..

Chief3188 07-30-2024 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 17608083)
He’s going to be a practice squad player this year because he gets an exemption… If there isn’t a marked improvement by next year he’s gone… I’m interested to see him in a preseason game then to see if he can maybe play someday. I really don’t think he’s going to pan out.. These guys seldom do..

No the Chiefs gave that international exemption to another player so LRZ is not eligible for that. He is likely making the roster as a special teamer.

VAChief 07-30-2024 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17607945)
It’ll be Skyy Moore before Hardman

I would hope so too. They are both limited, but Mecole offers more than Sky.

I think they keep 4 TE’s barring injuries. Rice, Brown, Worthy, Watson, Toney and Hardman would be plenty. Try to hide Remiggio, Washington, maybe Ross and Moore on the PS. None of those guys should be anywhere near significant reps.

TinyEvel 07-30-2024 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief3188 (Post 17608090)
No the Chiefs gave that international exemption to another player so LRZ is not eligible for that. He is likely making the roster as a special teamer.

Makes sense since don't rugby players run full steam across the field at each other and knock heads?

Kman34 07-30-2024 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief3188 (Post 17608090)
No the Chiefs gave that international exemption to another player so LRZ is not eligible for that. He is likely making the roster as a special teamer.

I’ll believe it when I see it..

Basileus777 07-30-2024 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17607580)
No way we carry 4 TE's. That'll be a waste of a spot. WR's tweak stuff all the time. Can miss 3-4 weeks. We have too much talent at WR to sit one on the bench for a 4th TE? Especially with Wiley looking good in camp.

New kickoff rule changes things, less use for WRs on special teams, more for TEs.

Buehler445 07-30-2024 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToxSocks (Post 17608009)
Pretty much every notable WR has spent time in the 1st string offense with Mahomes. Offense has been getting the better of the two units for the most part. Mahomes has been able to find all of his new toys downfield at one point or another.

Deneric Prince has gotten the 2nd string gig while CEH has been dealing with PTSD.

Kinglsey seems to have taken hold of the LT job over Wanya.

Thuney just returned to practice yesterday.

No one has been able to take the 2nd CB job by the balls yet, they're constantly rotating guys there.

Everybody is doing pretty well. Much to the point that we don't have anything to melt down about so we choose to fight over CEH (who literally nobody thinks is good) is going to lose his job because of illness. Personally, after searching the depths of my soul, I can't find a **** to geive but that's been the discussion.

Kiimo 07-30-2024 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17607945)
It’ll be Skyy Moore before Hardman

I beg to differ


edit: oh thought you meant Skyy would make the team over Hardman but I think you mean Skyy on the practice squad before Hardman so I agree.


Hardman was brought back on a contract and Skyy, well...Skyy sucks.

PatMahomesIsGod 07-30-2024 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 17608276)
I beg to differ


edit: oh thought you meant Skyy would make the team over Hardman but I think you mean Skyy on the practice squad before Hardman so I agree.


Hardman was brought back on a contract and Skyy, well...Skyy sucks.

Hardman had 57 yards in the SB, including the walk off TD. Skyy, zero.

Also, that win probability chart for that game is a thing of beauty. Chiefs were never really favored until OT.

ThaVirus 07-30-2024 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17607261)
I think were sleeping on Hollywood hard. he's going to have the intermediate Juju type role but with speed Juju never dreamed of.

I’d be surprised. Hollywood doesn’t have the hands Juju does.

Dunerdr 07-30-2024 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17608298)
I’d be surprised. Hollywood doesn’t have the hands Juju does.

An OU and cowboys fan told me today that Hollywood and worthy can’t catch for shit.

Tribal Warfare 07-31-2024 12:35 AM

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Nickhead 07-31-2024 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinyEvel (Post 17607491)
No practice today, good time to talk about third-tier storylines.

What's up with punting? Is punt God booting 80 yarders into the crowd that nobody's talking about?

and TMZ or RJZ or whatever the Aussie footballer guys name is. How's he doing? Last film I saw he took a handoff and looked like he was reminding himself in his head what to do as he did it. "secure ball, head down, run forward, feet moving in smaller strides..." ZAMMIT CARL! :cuss:

He’s not ****ing Aussie :smh: :D

ThyKingdomCome15 07-31-2024 02:57 AM

Had Skyy been picked on the 6th round and not the second he'd already be gone.

ThaVirus 07-31-2024 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17608657)
An OU and cowboys fan told me today that Hollywood and worthy can’t catch for shit.

I don’t know much about Worthy but Hollywood has been known for the dropsies

Dunerdr 07-31-2024 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17608748)
I don’t know much about Worthy but Hollywood has been known for the dropsies

I assume it was the broken hand season he was talking about.

Kiimo 07-31-2024 07:55 AM

I was told Rice couldn't catch for shit and he was fine.

Dunerdr 07-31-2024 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 17608852)
I was told Rice couldn't catch for shit and he was fine.

He was good for one drop before going off for about the first 6 games. Every one seemed to hit him right in the mitts. I remember because I was an avid defender of him.

staylor26 07-31-2024 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17608748)
I don’t know much about Worthy but Hollywood has been known for the dropsies

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hollywood Brown had a drop rate of 3% last year.<br><br>For his career, his drop rate is 3.6%<br><br>Y&#39;all just be out here saying stuff. <a href="https://t.co/6fjOMN7qAr">https://t.co/6fjOMN7qAr</a></p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1768468164692595092?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 15, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"Known for" = false narrative

raybec 4 07-31-2024 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17609468)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hollywood Brown had a drop rate of 3% last year.<br><br>For his career, his drop rate is 3.6%<br><br>Y&#39;all just be out here saying stuff. <a href="https://t.co/6fjOMN7qAr">https://t.co/6fjOMN7qAr</a></p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1768468164692595092?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 15, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"Known for" = false narrative

Stone hands

BWillie 07-31-2024 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 17608737)
Had Skyy been picked on the 6th round and not the second he'd already be gone.

If Toney was picked in the 3rd and not traded for he would be gone

ThaVirus 07-31-2024 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17609468)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hollywood Brown had a drop rate of 3% last year.<br><br>For his career, his drop rate is 3.6%<br><br>Y&#39;all just be out here saying stuff. <a href="https://t.co/6fjOMN7qAr">https://t.co/6fjOMN7qAr</a></p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1768468164692595092?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 15, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"Known for" = false narrative

Not sure what to tell you. A drop narrative can spawn extremely quickly.

MVS wasn’t anymore likely to drop a pass than Kelce or Rashee Rice last year but that’s not what the narrative would suggest.

We just have to hope Hollywood doesn’t have any days like this:

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staylor26 07-31-2024 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17610218)
Not sure what to tell you. A drop narrative can spawn extremely quickly.

MVS wasn’t anymore likely to drop a pass than Kelce or Rashee Rice last year but that’s not what the narrative would suggest.

We just have to hope Hollywood doesn’t have any days like this:

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That's not the point. Who gives a flying **** about a narrative when we have statistical proof that the narrative is horseshit?


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