Rumor: Creed & Butker getting new deals
 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Can you take me higher? The Kansas City <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> will be making Creed Humphrey the highest paid Center in the coming weeks and kicker Harrison Butker will be getting a new deal too <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RickeyDoesntDoPoliticsSoDontAsk?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RickeyDoesntDoPoliticsSoDontAsk</a> <a href="https://t.co/tQWCcVw8AX">pic.twitter.com/tQWCcVw8AX</a></p>&mdash; Rickey (@prettyrickey213) <a href="https://twitter.com/prettyrickey213/status/1818279443468836910?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Congrats to them.

BuT wE dOnT pAy CeNtErS. We do when they're the best one in the ****ing game and its half the price of a top tier guard.

BWillie punching air right now.

Never gonna complain about paying money to people who protect Mahomes.

Odd photo choice...

Good. Get Bolton done too ASAP!

And shoot Skyy Moore. With a gun, out of a cannon, I don't care.

Nice!

Nice.

Bwillie is about to kill himself once Creed gets paid LMAO

Nice. Hopefully "Rickey" isn't just making stuff up.

This dude has barely missed anything, correct? Like 90% accuracy or so from what I've seen around here.

If he nails this, it would prove he is Roger Goodell's bastard son.

Good.

Especially good for Butker. Worth whatever it takes to keep him.

The APY of Creed and Butker are going to be what Trey Smith gets next year in FA. Crazy

I hope they extend Bolton.


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Good for them (and us). Now add Bolton and make it so.

Ricky doesn’t make up things.

Obviously Butker is a no brainer... arguably one of the most vital parts of the Chiefs dynastic run after Mahomes, Kelce, and Chris Jones.

Only argument against paying big $$$ to Creed is the Chiefs successful track record in drafting/developing centers and does this leave less cap room to keep Bolton.

Both Creed and Butker made too much sense to not get done this offseason.

Both of those guys can/should/will re-set the market. So just go get it done. There's no sense in acting like you're gonna get some screaming bargain on either of them. We know the market will be there for them if they get to FA and we know what it will be. It'll be the last best deal inflated by increases in the cap.

If this isn't done with those 2 by the start of the regular season, it's because the Chiefs have decided that neither position is worth spending the money on.

Now as for Bolton - that's a guy that they are probably going to have to let get to the market. I think he sees himself in the Fred Warner tier and he's just not demonstrated that.

He's gonna want Tremaine Edmunds money ($18+ million/season) to re-sign without testing the market and I think he's more akin to Oluokun at $10 million/yr. It would be a mistake for him to take, say, 4/$44 million without testing the market to see if he could get 4/$72. So I think that's what you have to let him do.

Let him test the market and see what happens. That just doesn't seem like a deal that's likely to get done.

Why would he do that? This just keeps his streak of never being right about anything alive and intact.

Yeah, I love Smith. Great attitude, good bit of nasty to have on the line. Smart, physical player and a real nice complementary part on the OL.

But this is a passing team and he's more of a road-grater of an IOL. He's just not quite the right fit. He has more value to a team like the Titans or Ravens or even 49ers than he has to us.

I think we have to mentally prepare for him moving on. It just doesn't make sense for this team to pay $20 million to an OG. Especially when said OG isn't a premier pass protector.

Especially when you've got Thuney on the other side.

Isn’t this the last year of Thuney?

Only have Thuney for 1 more year in all likelihood. And any contract can be made palatable for a season.

But we've said for years that sooner or later Mahomes will have to do more and more as his contract gets more and more expensive. And some of those sacrifices have obviously been made with his weapons. The next may well be on the IOL.

I've actually been pretty shocked by the Chiefs willingness to cut corners at OT given Reid's history with the shell concept. But I feel like this may be similar to how they've handled WR over the next year or two. They'll look for solid veteran stopgaps while dedicating additional resources in the draft to rebuilding the depth chart.

Honestly I still wonder if that's not why they're seemingly opposed to Wanya Morris at LT - I think they really would like to see him take over for Smith at RG. And I think that would be a pretty nice little move for KC.

It's the scoop sensation "prettyricky" the guy from South America who was pissing off Schefter and Rapoport.

The LT thing though....I don't think they necessarily want to cut corners. They did the OBJ thing, they wanted to pay whats his dick from the 9ers, they paid Taylor, etc.

The biggest key for all this to keep working is....you've gotta just keep nailing drafts. Which hell.....they honestly may have just figured out.

maybe they feel like the players are robbing banks with this deal

Oh Rickey you're so fine you're so fine you blow my mind

How? Where’s the money?


We have 15 mil this season and 13 for next

I'd think Creed is more replaceable that Trey Smith but I want them all back anyway.

Honestly if the Chiefs took a highly rated G prospect in the first rd to replace Thuney I wouldn’t be mad.

A guy like Graham Barton for example. I think IOL is more important to Mahomes than tackles. He can maneuver the tackle problems but not interior pressure.

It’s not that likely to me but if it happened I’d be more than fine with it

If FAU, Worthy, and Kingsley have good seasons, I'd be even more for it.

Thuney and Taylor won't have the cap hits they do at the moment.

Nah, I'd not take a G that early, especially if you Kinglsey and Taylor and Creed are here playing well.

Keep picking away in the mid rounds and see if you can't develop them.

In terms of the first next year, DT seems to be a big spot for me.

Ricky don't lose that number...

Thinking the same thing.
ESPN keeps showing that Where's the Wolf thing FWIW

This logic seemed sound at the time, but I'm not sure people anticipated how many teams would give their inferior QBs ridiculous new deals on par with Mahomes. This should only help the Chiefs with more available dollars for signing other players when compared to the rest of the league. If Mahomes remains content with the current contract, the Chiefs should be in a pretty strong position with building the roster at this point thanks to the rest of the NFL overspending on their QBs.

*** Edit *** Sorry - just noticed the "Mahomes isn't underpaid" string that is more or less the same discussion.

I feel this way too. And they have that extra early 3rd from the Titans. I’d bet Veach uses that to trade up for someone.

I still think you focus on positional value.

The odds of me getting someone 90% as good as Barton in the 2nd or 3rd rounds is substantially higher than me getting a valuable pass rusher or OT in those rounds.

I think you just keep playing large numbers and see how it goes.

If Suamataia pans out, it really does free up the next draft. And I think OG and DT seem to be the most obvious fits. All that said, getting deals done with Creed and Butker now makes a ton of sense. I think Bolton is the most difficult to deal with. I'm all for paying him market price, I just don't want to overpay the dude. LB market as we have seen is all over the place.

Keep swinging your pick at T's, DE's, WR's and DT's in the first.

DT needs some investment.

Yeah, we have to resign those two even if they get paid as the highest in the game. They are the best C and K in the game.

How many times has Butker made a long kick to save the game or give Mahomes another shot to win? Thats sooo valuable. Look what happened to Buffalo....wide right on an average kick length. We all assume the guy is going to make it when he lines up.

I agree.

Well deserved for both these guys. Now let's have Creed hit Mahomes in the numbers with 95%+ of his shotgun snaps this season. And Butker can just do what Butker does; we don't win it all last season without him.

I hate this take, but I agree with it. Smith is nasty when he's on, but he'd be the prototypical guard in a Harbaugh offense. He'd definitely been more than adequate for us, but he'd shine in a run first offense.

I still love the fact that if Butker stays in KC with Mahomes and they both retire at the same time (while continuing at this level of performance) it will be BUTKER that is the all time leader in playoff games played, not Mahomes.

And there's a non-zero chance that it happens.

If he goes to Baltimore he can probably play 8-10 years at/near an All-Pro level and be the next Marshall Yanda for them.

He could absolutely be that kind of player for the next decade or so.

But...it's just not OUR kind of player.

Non-zero chance he retires early to pursue his passion in motivational speaking.

If he does get it we will know it is a Mahomes decision. They have a great relationship. The Chiefs have shown zero willingness to pay high dollar at the center position before, nor should they.

I was never 100% sure they wouldn't but just that they shouldn't.

Butker is a pretty important part of winning championships. Just ask Buffalo & San Fran after those Playoff games last season.

Butker must be paid. He is a hall of famer.

Butker's a distraction and rule changes have made kickers fungible. I think spending a premium on him is a mistake.

Creed's not a perfect center but you have to have continuity if you want to protect the best QB in the league.

Crazy to think we snatched him up off the Panthers practice squad.

Even the seasons we didn't win Championships, he made huge kicks to force OT against the Bills, Bengals, and Patriots. None of those kicks were easy.

He's not a distraction for the team.

Wut.

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Exactly, Butker has been clutch as hell in the Playoffs. Buffalo sure wishes they had Butker instead of the Wide Right guy. Niners as well: they win the Super Bowl if they had a clean game from the special teams unit.

nice!

Creed is the best in the business

We don't win some of those Superbowls without clutch field goals

Worth

We win 3 SBs if we don't have Creed.

We may only win 1 if we don't have Butker.

ESPN has been airing a show about Chiefsaholic called WhereWolf? Trying to market it more it seems

I saw more pancake plays by Smith his first year here than the last few years combined. Not sure if he's still crushing dudes regularly and I'm just not seeing it or if his production has dropped since that first year. I know he has been hurt once or twice.

On a related note, I wish the Chiefs would start to trade some of these dudes as opposed to just letting them walk. Veach has proven he can draft. I would love to collect picks even if it meant losing out on a year of production from guys like Gay, Bolton and Smith.

So, I may be completely crazy, but I can see Creed and Smith both staying on the best deal the Chiefs can offer, because they will recognize the benefits of playing with Mahomes, and playing with their best friend.

I have a feeling that Trey Smith is going to work for the Kansas City Chiefs for the rest of his life, even after football. I feel like the way he talks and some of the things he has said in the many interviews I have seen, makes me feel like he just wants to be a Chief.

Or, I'm just letting my optimism leak out.

If Karloftis' ascent to superstar happens this year (like I think it will) that 5th year option is so, so huge. Same w/ McDuffie (who is already elite).

Thuney's money/age combo doesn't make sense to Veach after this year, so he's likely gone.

Big questions are obviously going to be Smith & Bolton. If either of Nourzad or Hanson look like a stud in camp & preseason, that would make the Smith decision very easy on paper, despite the nostalgia factor.

Bolton is the tougher one for me. I don't see how we let him walk if he has another healthy/elite year. I do bet he tests the market as DJLN suggests, but I'd really like to find a way to keep him for that second deal. Could he be a tag candidate? I imagine the LB tag is affordable....

Other 2025 notable names:

- Justin Reid
- Charles Omenihu
- Hollywood Brown
- Noah Gray

Think they’ve done a good job preparing for this.

Justin Reid—>Jaden Hicks
Charles Omenihu—>FAU
Hollywood Brown—>Xavier Worthy
Noah Gray—>Jared Wiley

Good and good, if true.

Agreed! Just gotta hope the young guys make these decisions easy on Veach.

Yeah, unfortunately it doesn't work that way.

Even in Smith is willing to work with the Chiefs on a contract, its still unlikely that it happens because signing Smith is going to cost you something. And that something is probably Karloftis or McDuffie. And lets be honest there two, keeping both of those guys isn't going to be easy either.

Trey Smith, even on a team friendly deal, is going to cost you around 20M a year. He's going to get paid what he's worth. Its not like he's going to play for 10M. Veach in the front office have to slot contacts by year, he's worried about the entire pie, not just every piece individually.

Even is Hollywood Brown blows up, its still going to be difficult to bring him back, even if he's willing to another one year contract because its all coming out of the same pot of money, which is why the Chiefs ability to draft is so damn important to the run they are on.

For anyone who undervalues Bolton need to remember who we had before him (Hitchens). He is a very valuable player for this team. Two years ago he’s a half step from being SB MVP. Also in the last SB on the critical third down stop around the 2 minute warning where McDuffie blitzed and broke up the pass, that was a call Bolton approved. Spags was on record saying that he suggested that play to Bolton and he agreed and that was the call.

Not saying that they should overpay him, just that is a position they should avoid going cheap on as well.

Hopefully Norzad is good enough, too.

Guys in their 4th year have tons of surplus value (rookie salary versus the cost of a similar replacement FA). Think Sneed at $2.7M last year vs. his $19M AAV Titans contract. Gonna be difficult to impossible to get that back in trade.

Plus, that strategy would increase roster turnover every year. Lot more rookies for the coaches to bring up to speed.

Belize that

Terrible troll job on Butkicker.

He's only a distraction for morons....

If Karlaftis goes to full on superstar as you say here....they'll probably look to pay him way before he gets to the 5th year option. Same with McDuffie.

I'd guess they both may end up extended ASAP if they continue on the track they're on.

Literally every time I watch McDuffie play or even do an interview I walk away even more impressed with that dude. One of the best picks of the Veach era, and that's a very high bar. Fantastic player and incredibly solid person by all appearances. Needs to be a Chief for life.

Uh, guess you didn't see where Andy/Toub are probably backing off the whole "JR will be kicking KOs," huh? There's a funny thing about how the kick has to be aimed.


And Butker is a distraction to who exactly? And what does that have to do with football or scoring points? You get that KC probably doesn't win the last two SBs without Butker, right?



Pivot: how much could Butker get paid? What was the biggest contract for a kicker anyway?

It isn't. There's no tag category for off-ball 'backers. It's all linebackers, including the OLB edge rushers that get $30 million/season.

The tag is cost prohibitive for Bolton.

Tucker is 4/24. really pretty reasonable considering what Butkers done and the amount of points he puts up.

As argued previously, he probably get $6.5-7M per.

Counting the playoffs, Butkicker is the better kicker.

Butker has been the leading scorer for the Chiefs since he became the PK.