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RunKC 09-04-2024 10:19 AM

Why the Chiefs loved Xavier Worthy
 
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Why did Chiefs draft Xavier Worthy? Inside the meeting he aced — and chaos he created


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Xavier Worthy had just exited the luxury suite at Lucas Oil Stadium, and Kansas City Chiefs general manager Brett Veach couldn’t hold back his excitement.

The Texas receiver had just aced his test.

This was at March’s NFL Combine in Indianapolis, and Worthy’s 18 formal minutes with the Chiefs coaches and scouts had gone better than anyone in the room had anticipated.

“It’s one of those things where everyone just was looking at each other,” Veach said, “saying, ‘That’s a really good interview.’”

We all know how this story eventually turned out.

KC traded up to select Worthy with the 28th pick in April’s NFL Draft. The rookie is set to make his debut Thursday in the NFL’s season opener against Baltimore, with those around him already raving about his game-breaking speed and ability.

“He’s been picking everything up,” Chiefs receivers coach Connor Embree said.

“You bring him in, it’s like that new toy,” added offensive coordinator Matt Nagy.

“We’re really opening up the playbook to him,” quarterback Patrick Mahomes said, “and he’s learning.”

Only Veach, however, knows the full backstory of how Worthy landed with the Chiefs.

And how the dream of landing him seemed to end just 24 hours after he left that suite.

Trouble for the Chiefs

Veach pulled out his phone, sending a three-word group text to Nagy, coach Andy Reid and Chiefs pass game coordinator Joe Bleymaier.

“Well,” he wrote, “he’s gone.”

The “he,” in this case, was Worthy, who just a day after interviewing with the Chiefs had set the news cycle ablaze.

The receiver, still at the NFL Combine, broke the NFL record for fastest 40-yard dash time.

Veach knew that was trouble for the Chiefs, who held the first round’s 32nd (and final) pick after winning Super Bowl LVIII.

“You’re not thinking you’re gonna have a shot at him,” Veach told The Star, “because he runs a 4.21.”


Chiefs coaches processed the news in different ways.

After receiving the text, Nagy reminded himself that sometimes this happens with prospects. Players often improve their stock while pricing themselves out of a team’s range.

“You figure, ‘OK, that’s how this goes,’” Nagy said. “You’ve got to have all your next guys up ready.”

Embree, meanwhile, watched Worthy’s 40-yard dash live from the team’s suite at Lucas Oil Stadium.

His first reaction: “Whoa.”

His second was more a dose of reality: “Uh oh.”

“You want him to run good, but you probably don’t want him to set the record. Because then everyone knows,” Embree said. “SportsCenter is playing it. Now, he’s the fastest guy ever.”

The timing of Worthy’s run was especially cruel, given how he’d wowed the Chiefs the previous day.

A reminder of the past

Even before Worthy’s interview, Nagy had taken it upon himself to do some extra research.

Worthy’s receivers coach at Texas, Chris Jackson, was a former assistant for Nagy when he coached the Chicago Bears. Jackson spoke extensively with Nagy about who Worthy was as a person, and also where he excelled in routes.

It only led Nagy further into his own study, where he kept seeing the same resemblance.

“Everyone kept talking, ‘Tyreek, Tyreek,’” Nagy said of outsiders comparing Worthy to the Dolphins’ Tyreek Hill, “but I think we all saw DeSean Jackson when you watched his tape.”

And no one understood how that type of receiver could help the Chiefs better than this particular coaching staff.

Jackson — born in California, like Worthy — had two of his three Pro Bowl seasons while playing under Reid in Philadelphia. Veach was on staff when the Eagles drafted him, and so was Nagy, a volunteer assistant with the team in 2008.


It seemed like more than happenstance — maybe even fate? — when Worthy started his Chiefs interview by saying Jackson was his favorite player to watch growing up.

“I know him well,” Reid quipped in response.

Worthy only continued to impress from there.

He explained his favorite play at Texas — “Dunkin’” (named after Dunkin’ Donuts) — and described all the nuances. The play-action pass — offensive line blocking one way, tight end blocking the other — called for a QB boot and some false acceleration on the route, all before Worthy put on the brakes for a 20-yard curl.

“I knew the reads. I knew what the quarterback was gonna do. I knew what the running back was gonna do. So I just understood the whole play,” Worthy later told the Star. “So I just wanted to show the play could work versus everything.”

Veach immediately saw something rare with Worthy’s processing. It was typical for college players to know their own roles, and perhaps the responsibility of someone else on the field.

But to understand the play’s whole concept? And what the coaching staff was trying to accomplish with each piece?

Worthy, without much effort, was making it clear how intelligent he was.

“Some guys can memorize a playbook. Some guys just understand football,” Veach said. “And I think from that time with him, we got a good feeling that he understood football and understood the concepts of not just the route, but why they’re running the route.”

From previous experience, Embree could tell when players were stringing coaches along while describing plays, or trying to fake insight they didn’t have.

Because of that, this explanation — one where Worthy not only remembered his coaching points and milestones on the field, but also where he was supposed to be at certain moments — led Embree to one conclusion.

Worthy was knocking it out of the park.

“Some people just have a natural feel for football, and some people have to work at it,” Embree said. “And he came off like he had a natural feel.”

Those details were essential as they related to the Chiefs.


Watching a player’s film, Embree said, is just the first step in evaluating receivers. The next step is determining whether guys can process all the Chiefs throw at them in offseason practices and training camp.

Embree could tell from the nods he got from other coaches when Worthy left the room: If somehow available, the wideout would fit right in with the Chiefs.

“We like to move people around. We’ve got a complicated playbook,” Embree said. “So basically, we just looked at each other like, ‘Yeah, he can do it. He can do what we’re probably going to ask him to do.’”

There was one obstacle left: figuring out if Worthy would last long enough in the first round for the Chiefs to make a play at him.

Even Worthy said goodbye to Chiefs coaches that day with a lingering thought in his mind.

“I knew I made an impression,” Worthy said, “but I just didn’t know if I was going to make it to them.”

‘Just hoping, fingers crossed’

The Chiefs receive 30 in-house and Zoom visits with prospects following the NFL Combine, and Veach decided the Chiefs would play a bit coy.

Worthy wasn’t scheduled to the team’s facility. There was no need.

“We were good,” Veach said.

The combine interview had sold the Chiefs on the receiver without needing any follow-up for confirmation. Now, it was a matter of seeing where his stock ended up.


Somewhat surprisingly — to KC, at least — Worthy’s 40 time hadn’t shot him higher up draft boards.

Questions remained league-wise about his size at 165 pounds. And also about his durability. Could he make it through an entire NFL season with his specific body type?

Data at GrindingTheMocks.com showed a rise in Worthy’s consensus mock-draft status after the 40-yard dash, but then a decline. Just before the draft, he was projected somewhere in the late first round — right where the Chiefs might have a chance with a trade.

It still only takes one team to be high on a player to make him unavailable. Embree entered the draft Thursday night thinking that Worthy-to-the-Chiefs remained an unlikely scenario.

“I thought we were gonna have to trade up too far to get him,” Embree said. “So when he kept falling, it was just hoping, fingers crossed, that he’d be there.”

Nagy, meanwhile, sat in the back of the Chiefs’ draft room in April as the picks unfolded — and as Worthy’s name remained on the board into the 20s.

The scramble started there. Veach got on the phone with the rival Buffalo Bills, then traded up from No. 32 to 28.

A few minutes later, the Chiefs had their guy, turning in their card to select Worthy.

In the draft room, Nagy couldn’t help but sense a mixture of joy — along with a bit of disbelief.

“There’s a temperature in the room of how good you feel, and it was pretty hot,” Nagy said. “Everyone was feeling really good.”


Now, of course, comes the critical part.

The Chiefs have to prove they were right.

What looms ahead

Worthy stood in front of his locker Sunday, explaining to reporters how he felt ahead of his first NFL game.

He’s comfortable with the Chiefs’ system, he says, and also understands what the team is trying to accomplish with its plays.

Most of all, though, he’s ready to get out there and show what he can do.

“I wouldn’t say it’s nerves,” Worthy said. “I just feel like I’m ready.”

Chiefs coaches are just as interested in seeing what happens following Worthy’s last few months.

Embree says in training camp the Chiefs didn’t just see Worthy’s 4.21 speed, they could feel it.

On the field, Embree could hear defensive backs talk to each other: “He’s fast. We gotta back up.”

Perhaps of greatest importance for Worthy, though, was that he never got lost mentally. Embree has had past rookie receivers struggle with getting out of the huddle, not able to process the play quickly enough to understand where they’re supposed to line up.

Worthy has had none of those issues.


“I’ve just been impressed with him, the football smartness,” Embree said.

Nagy, for one, knows how hard Worthy has worked to get to that understanding.

It started in May’s Organized Team Activities, when Worthy didn’t practice because of a hamstring issue.

That didn’t mean he took the time off. After plays, Worthy would often walk to Nagy on the field without a helmet and ask him questions about what his assignment would have been on a particular snap.

“I love that about him,” Nagy said. “He wants more.”

Worthy also flashed his potential at training camp, coming down with a few viral deep-ball catches on Mahomes passes — including one that literally sent Nagy dancing onto the field with arms flailing.


One can still understand the emotion — especially considering the team’s previous circumstances.

From “Well, he’s gone” to Chiefs starting receiver in six months, Worthy now has the chance to show the world what the Chiefs have long seen in him.

And also reward the faith of the team — from the very first interview — that valued him the most.

“How we got him,” Nagy said, “was pretty cool.”
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nf...291795880.html

RunKC 09-04-2024 10:20 AM

TL;DR the Chiefs think Xavier Worthy is DeSean Jackson and are rock hard about his potential

KC_Lee 09-04-2024 10:23 AM

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O.city 09-04-2024 10:25 AM

Him and Rice should pair really well together. Hopefully Hollywood is back quick

loochy 09-04-2024 10:26 AM

And this article is why some physically gifted guys like Toney just can't make it

Rasputin 09-04-2024 10:37 AM

Dear Penthouse Forum...

Bl00dyBizkitz 09-04-2024 10:39 AM

Reminder: The Bills handed him over to us.

ThrobProng 09-04-2024 10:41 AM

I hope Worthy can be fully utilized right away. It's unlikely, but Rice being brought along slowly was frustrating last year.

ForeverIowan 09-04-2024 10:43 AM

Keep building elite traits around your HOFer's Mahomes and Kelce. First was an elite YAC receiver in Rice. Rice arguably the best young catch and run receiver in the league primed to break out this year. Next is the fastest receiver EVER to enter the league in Worthy. Experienced vets who have the trust of Mahomes in Hollywood, Juju, Hardman and Watson just afterthoughts. Good luck to the rest of the league.

Balto 09-04-2024 10:49 AM

A vision of Reid pulling out an old dusty playbook from his desk labeled "DeSean" just gives me joy!

Balto 09-04-2024 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 17659541)
Keep building elite traits around your HOFer's Mahomes and Kelce. First was an elite YAC receiver in Rice. Rice arguably the best young catch and run receiver in the league primed to break out this year. Next is the fastest receiver EVER to enter the league in Worthy. Experienced vets who have the trust of Mahomes in Hollywood, Juju, Hardman and Watson just afterthoughts. Good luck to the rest of the league.

It's like a more exciting combo of Maclin and DeSean!

BlackHelicopters 09-04-2024 10:59 AM

Wall o text. Not reading that.
Summary please.

DJ's left nut 09-04-2024 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17659516)
Him and Rice should pair really well together. Hopefully Hollywood is back quick

Those 3, plus Kelce and Perine (plus Pacheco has evidently improved his pass-catching skills this offseason) are gonna be a real bitch to deal with.

I mean you can even toss Hardman in there for some of the gadget stuff to keep teams honest. Our 2 and 3 TE sets will be awfully dynamic in their own right.

This offense could be incredible. Like, "only held back by Andy not wanting to show his cards" kind of record-setting ability.

scho63 09-04-2024 11:05 AM

Imagine if he is Tyreek 2.0 ?

loochy 09-04-2024 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackHelicopters (Post 17659567)
Wall o text. Not reading that.
Summary please.


Summary: He's not only super fast, but he's really smart and he understands football

ForeverIowan 09-04-2024 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17659573)
Those 3, plus Kelce and Perine (plus Pacheco has evidently improved his pass-catching skills this offseason) are gonna be a real bitch to deal with.

I mean you can even toss Hardman in there for some of the gadget stuff to keep teams honest. Our 2 and 3 TE sets will be awfully dynamic in their own right.

This offense could be incredible. Like, "only held back by Andy not wanting to show his cards" kind of record-setting ability.

Pick your poison to the opposing defense. Literally. How do you want us to beat you today? Not so sure I can recall such a multi faceted offense. Possibly those New England offenses w Moss and Welker.

RealSNR 09-04-2024 11:10 AM

I will fully admit to being initially slightly skeptical of the pick. I assumed that teams who knew how smart and savvy Worthy was would leap at getting that kind of guy with 4.21 speed. I figured since he fell to us he would be more John Ross than Desean Jackson.

Nope. Turns out teams are just stupid.

New World Order 09-04-2024 11:10 AM

Feels like he’s going to have 3 catches for 100 yards tomorrow

Mr. Kotter 09-04-2024 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 17659580)
Imagine if he is Tyreek 2.0 ?

He's built differently. He lacks some of Tryreek's quick twitch elusiveness...but, that's every other WR in football. With some time in the weight room and some experience...he could become that. Now, I think the Jackson comparison is more applicable though....which is fantastic, especially in Andy's offense.

Mecca 09-04-2024 11:13 AM

I see why they thought that, a guy rips off a combine record in the past running like that meant top 15 at worst.

crispystl 09-04-2024 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17659573)
Those 3, plus Kelce and Perine (plus Pacheco has evidently improved his pass-catching skills this offseason) are gonna be a real bitch to deal with.

I mean you can even toss Hardman in there for some of the gadget stuff to keep teams honest. Our 2 and 3 TE sets will be awfully dynamic in their own right.

This offense could be incredible. Like, "only held back by Andy not wanting to show his cards" kind of record-setting ability.

The mix of speed, power and intelligence is just ****ing fantastic. It has so much potential.

DJ's left nut 09-04-2024 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 17659587)
Pick your poison to the opposing defense. Literally. How do you want us to beat you today? Not so sure I can recall such a multi faceted offense. Possibly those New England offenses w Moss and Welker.

That 2013 Denver offense was pretty ridiculous.

Damryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Wes Welker and Julian Thomas. That's 4,200 yards and 320 catches for their top 3 WRs and TE.

When your top 4 pass catchers AVERAGE 80 catches for 1,050 yards between them, you're pretty damn versaitle.

Hell, Moreno had 60 catches and 1,000 yards rushing. Their backup had another 600 rushing yards.

That offense was pretty ridiculous. There's a reason those fellas averaged 38 points/gm.

That's the rabbit you're chasing. It's probably the best offense I've ever seen over a regular season. They could beat you in so many different ways.

Mecca 09-04-2024 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17659600)
That 2013 Denver offense was pretty ridiculous.

Damryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Wes Welker and Julian Thomas. That's 4,200 yards and 320 catches for their top 3 WRs and TE.

When your top 4 pass catchers AVERAGE 80 catches for 1,050 yards between them, you're pretty damn versaitle.

Hell, Moreno had 60 catches and 1,000 yards rushing. Their backup had another 600 rushing yards.

That offense was pretty ridiculous. There's a reason those fellas averaged 38 points/gm.

That's the rabbit you're chasing. It's probably the best offense I've ever seen over a regular season. They could beat you in so many different ways.

That was built on a scheme defenses hadn't really seen before to protect the loss of Manning's arm strength, it was everything coming together at once.

mr. tegu 09-04-2024 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ThrobProng (Post 17659539)
I hope Worthy can be fully utilized right away. It's unlikely, but Rice being brought along slowly was frustrating last year.


The big difference though is that Rice doesn’t have elite speed. He really does have to rely on the passing game concepts much more than Worthy to be a factor. I’m very hopeful, and somewhat expecting he’s getting at least 6-8 targets from the very beginning.

Straight, No Chaser 09-04-2024 11:32 AM

Lots of quotes from Conner Embree in this article. Thanks for posting. I'm hoping the kid can stay away from injury and LBs that try to take his head off.

dlphg9 09-04-2024 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ThrobProng (Post 17659539)
I hope Worthy can be fully utilized right away. It's unlikely, but Rice being brought along slowly was frustrating last year.

Worthy is more polished and I think he may have picked up the playbook faster than Rice did. I don't think they have any intention of bringing Worthy along slowly.

Rain Man 09-04-2024 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17659600)
That 2013 Denver offense was pretty ridiculous.

Damryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Wes Welker and Julian Thomas. That's 4,200 yards and 320 catches for their top 3 WRs and TE.

When your top 4 pass catchers AVERAGE 80 catches for 1,050 yards between them, you're pretty damn versaitle.

Hell, Moreno had 60 catches and 1,000 yards rushing. Their backup had another 600 rushing yards.

That offense was pretty ridiculous. There's a reason those fellas averaged 38 points/gm.

That's the rabbit you're chasing. It's probably the best offense I've ever seen over a regular season. They could beat you in so many different ways.

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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 17659587)
Pick your poison to the opposing defense. Literally. How do you want us to beat you today? Not so sure I can recall such a multi faceted offense. Possibly those New England offenses w Moss and Welker.

If we're not counting Mahomes teams, I'd have to go with that 15-1 Vikings team back in the day, with Randy Moss, Cris Carter, and Robert Smith. I thought Culpepper was the QB, but it was actually Randall Cunningham, who absolutely should be in the Hall of Fame.

Rain Man 09-04-2024 11:36 AM

Before we drafted him, I read an article about Worthy, and he said something that stuck with me. He said that he was a little worried that people would get hung up on his speed and wouldn't notice that he was a crisp route runner. I like thinking about that now.

George Liquor 09-04-2024 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17659592)
Feels like he’s going to have 3 catches for 100 yards tomorrow

FF must start?

RunKC 09-04-2024 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17659573)
Those 3, plus Kelce and Perine (plus Pacheco has evidently improved his pass-catching skills this offseason) are gonna be a real bitch to deal with.

I mean you can even toss Hardman in there for some of the gadget stuff to keep teams honest. Our 2 and 3 TE sets will be awfully dynamic in their own right.

This offense could be incredible. Like, "only held back by Andy not wanting to show his cards" kind of record-setting ability.

And now they have Juju to take some snaps off Kelce when he needs a break. So 2 guys (Juju/Rice) in the middle who can constantly win in the middle of the field as well as 2 absolute burners outside in Hollywood/Worthy.

Imagine if Wiley is half as good as we think he can be? Even if he has a few plays a game where he makes a play. That’s just more fire added to a goddamn flamethrower

Monticore 09-04-2024 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17659597)
I see why they thought that, a guy rips off a combine record in the past running like that meant top 15 at worst.

We can thank John Ross for that.

Bl00dyBizkitz 09-04-2024 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17659639)
And now they have Juju to take some snaps off Kelce when he needs a break. So 2 guys (Juju/Rice) in the middle who can constantly win in the middle of the field as well as 2 absolute burners outside in Hollywood/Worthy.

Imagine if Wiley is half as good as we think he can be? Even if he has a few plays a game where he makes a play. That’s just more fire added to a goddamn flamethrower

Noah Gray supposedly has been a favorite among the team this year as a receiving threat. I think its possible he gets a lot more time while they slow play Wiley.

Pacheco also spent the offseason trying to be more of a receiver out of the backfield RB.

Theres a lot of things to be excited about this year.

stumppy 09-04-2024 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 17659580)
Imagine if he is Tyreek 2.0 ?

Or Tyreek 2.0 with common sense.

PatMahomesIsGod 09-04-2024 12:13 PM

Veachy playing 4D chess by not showing our hand with an in-house visit.

Wonder if Buffalo had any idea who we were trading up for?

Buehler445 09-04-2024 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PatMahomesIsGod (Post 17659686)
Veachy playing 4D chess by not showing our hand with an in-house visit.

Wonder if Buffalo had any idea who we were trading up for?

Even if it wasn't our receivers are fire roasted ass. They needed receivers since they knew they were dumping Diggs.

Our needs matched up pretty well. Pretty dumb for them to say I didn't know!

RaidersOftheCellar 09-04-2024 12:21 PM

Because he's good and fast?

Haven't read it. Just a wild guess.

Womble 09-04-2024 12:23 PM

"Perhaps of greatest importance for Worthy, though, was that he never got lost mentally. Embree has had past rookie receivers struggle with getting out of the huddle, not able to process the play quickly enough to understand where they’re supposed to line up."

Skyy Moore alert!

Chief Pagan 09-04-2024 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackHelicopters (Post 17659567)
Wall o text. Not reading that.
Summary please.

There were two great summaries posted above your post. Take your pick.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17659505)
TL;DR the Chiefs think Xavier Worthy is DeSean Jackson and are rock hard about his potential

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 17659508)
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Pasta Little Brioni 09-04-2024 12:47 PM

The Bills are so stupid.

ChiliConCarnage 09-04-2024 01:04 PM

me love him long time

ForeverIowan 09-04-2024 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17659600)
That 2013 Denver offense was pretty ridiculous.

Damryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Wes Welker and Julian Thomas. That's 4,200 yards and 320 catches for their top 3 WRs and TE.

When your top 4 pass catchers AVERAGE 80 catches for 1,050 yards between them, you're pretty damn versaitle.

Hell, Moreno had 60 catches and 1,000 yards rushing. Their backup had another 600 rushing yards.

That offense was pretty ridiculous. There's a reason those fellas averaged 38 points/gm.

That's the rabbit you're chasing. It's probably the best offense I've ever seen over a regular season. They could beat you in so many different ways.

I've hated the Broncos my entire life but self-admittedly was always an enormous fan of Peyton Manning. Sitting back and watching that offense was primetime TV.

That being said, pretty remarkable that offense put up such ridiculous numbers. I may be a bit off here but if I remember correctly Demaryius Thomas was their clear #1 target and he was probably a borderline top 5ish receiver in the league. Welker was past his prime but still very good Decker and Julius Thomas were both upper tier WR2 and TE respectively. Manning just had it running like a machine. I think our offense (on paper) has more upside potential, lead by Mahomes in the absolute prime of his career. The combination of elite players (Kelce), combined with breakout potential (Rice), met with elite speed (Worthy, Hollywood) and finally veteran experience which Mahomes can lean on (Juju, Hardman, Watson) that is gonna be tough.

Pitt Gorilla 09-04-2024 01:09 PM

Talking heads/other idiots: Of course the Chiefs like him, he's stupid fast.

Chiefs: Of course we like him, he's an outstanding, crisp-route-running, incredibly smart and detailed receiver that's perfect for our offense. And he's stupid fast!

Mecca 09-04-2024 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 17659752)
I've hated the Broncos my entire life but self-admittedly was always an enormous fan of Peyton Manning. Sitting back and watching that offense was primetime TV.

That being said, pretty remarkable that offense put up such ridiculous numbers. I may be a bit off here but if I remember correctly Demaryius Thomas was their clear #1 target and he was probably a borderline top 5ish receiver in the league. Welker was past his prime but still very good Decker and Julius Thomas were both upper tier WR2 and TE respectively. Manning just had it running like a machine. I think our offense (on paper) has more upside potential, lead by Mahomes in the absolute prime of his career. The combination of elite players (Kelce), combined with breakout potential (Rice), met with elite speed (Worthy, Hollywood) and finally veteran experience which Mahomes can lean on (Juju, Hardman, Watson) that is gonna be tough.

Manning designed an offense to cover for his limitations, he had lost arm strength from the neck surgery. So their offense involved a lot more rubbing and pick routes than any defense had ever seen before, no one knew how to deal with it.

Wallcrawler 09-04-2024 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackHelicopters (Post 17659567)
Wall o text. Not reading that.
Summary please.

Summary is that you're a lazy **** that can't even muster the will to skim the bolded text, so just don't worry about it.

Hopefully this response wasn't too long.

dlphg9 09-04-2024 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 17659800)
Summary is that you're a lazy **** that can't even muster the will to skim the bolded text, so just don't worry about it.

Hopefully this response wasn't too long.

Oh my shit, I haven't seen a post from you in a minute, buddy. Take you awhile to replace your broken keyboard?

You're right for once, too! He's an absolute idiot.

RunKC 09-04-2024 01:57 PM

Have to admit I wasn’t super high on Worthy but kind of placed him out of my mind after the combine bc like the Chiefs I also thought there was no way this kid would fall past the early 20’s at worst

Rasputin 09-04-2024 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17659501)
Fap porn the night before the big game!

Why did Chiefs draft Xavier Worthy? Inside the meeting he aced — and chaos he created




https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nf...291795880.html

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Originally Posted by BlackHelicopters (Post 17659567)
Wall o text. Not reading that.
Summary please.


Would read again.

BWillie 09-04-2024 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 17659693)
Because he's good and fast?

Haven't read it. Just a wild guess.

It actually is the opposite. It talks about his football IQ. Worthy appears to be the anti-Kadarious Toney.

tk13 09-04-2024 04:14 PM

Good article. I'm guessing his size is what allowed him to drop as far. Not every team is into small and fast WRs like Reid is. If he's 6'2" he's probably a top 10 pick.

Excited to see what he'll do. The biggest problem might end up being if defenses go back to playing insanely safe coverage. That benefits Rice and Juju and Kelce but there are teams out there who are going to sell out to stop Mahomes from going off even if it means allowing 5 yards a carry.

Couch-Potato 09-04-2024 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 17659580)
Imagine if he is Tyreek 2.0 ?

I hope so!

Buehler445 09-04-2024 05:27 PM

Awesome. Let’s ****ing go.

Easy 6 09-04-2024 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 17659965)
Good article. I'm guessing his size is what allowed him to drop as far. Not every team is into small and fast WRs like Reid is. If he's 6'2" he's probably a top 10 pick.

Excited to see what he'll do. The biggest problem might end up being if defenses go back to playing insanely safe coverage. That benefits Rice and Juju and Kelce but there are teams out there who are going to sell out to stop Mahomes from going off even if it means allowing 5 yards a carry.

If thats how they wanna be, relentlessly gashing them 5-20 yards a pop works just fine for me

Bl00dyBizkitz 09-04-2024 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 17660031)
If thats how they wanna be, relentlessly gashing them 5-20 yards a pop works just fine for me

Yup. Been there, done that, won a SB off of it.

staylor26 09-04-2024 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 17659965)
Good article. I'm guessing his size is what allowed him to drop as far. Not every team is into small and fast WRs like Reid is. If he's 6'2" he's probably a top 10 pick.

Excited to see what he'll do. The biggest problem might end up being if defenses go back to playing insanely safe coverage. That benefits Rice and Juju and Kelce but there are teams out there who are going to sell out to stop Mahomes from going off even if it means allowing 5 yards a carry.

If teams choose death by a thousand cuts, that's not at all a problem for us.

IowaHawkeyeChief 09-04-2024 07:38 PM

I just put $10 to win $250 on Worthy being the OROY...

Kiimo 09-04-2024 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 17659965)
Good article. I'm guessing his size is what allowed him to drop as far. Not every team is into small and fast WRs like Reid is. If he's 6'2" he's probably a top 10 pick.

Excited to see what he'll do. The biggest problem might end up being if defenses go back to playing insanely safe coverage. That benefits Rice and Juju and Kelce but there are teams out there who are going to sell out to stop Mahomes from going off even if it means allowing 5 yards a carry.


He's just under 6 feet tall. He's like 3 inches taller than Hollywood Brown. He's basically the size of Devonta Smith but insanely faster.

This whole size thing is way overblown.

DJ's left nut 09-05-2024 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17660217)
I just put $10 to win $250 on Worthy being the OROY...

You wasted $10.

Nakua wrecked creation last year and didn't get OROY. Worthy won't be as prolific as Nakua was, he's just not that high in the offensive pecking order.

And there are at least 2 rookie starting QBs - those guys always get a huge head start on these end of season awards.

I just don't see even a slight chance that it happens.

Lzen 09-05-2024 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ThrobProng (Post 17659539)
I hope Worthy can be fully utilized right away. It's unlikely, but Rice being brought along slowly was frustrating last year.

Sounds like Worthy may be able to absorb stuff a lot quicker than Rice was able to do it. And if that is the case then he will probably get a lot more early on than Rice did last year. :)

Valiant 09-05-2024 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 17659517)
And this article is why some physically gifted guys like Toney just can't make it

Agreed, dude just didn't want to put the work in..what is most important about Worthy. Getting this as a rookie with mahomes. That is where mahomes and Kelce shine. They know when to break off a route and sit in the open spot.

A open wr is 100x easier to get to, then them running your route through double covered.

Otter 09-05-2024 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 17659580)
Imagine if he is Tyreek 2.0 ?

Tyreek is built like a fire hydrant. Xavier's slim build worries me but I assure you I'm hoping for the best. Once he takes a couple of NFL hits I'll set all that aside.

I know, parenthood makes you a worry wart in way too many aspects of life.

Rain Man 09-05-2024 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17660638)
You wasted $10.

Nakua wrecked creation last year and didn't get OROY. Worthy won't be as prolific as Nakua was, he's just not that high in the offensive pecking order.

And there are at least 2 rookie starting QBs - those guys always get a huge head start on these end of season awards.

I just don't see even a slight chance that it happens.

Opening day is not the right time and place to dampen rampant enthusiasm.

Mecca 09-05-2024 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17660217)
I just put $10 to win $250 on Worthy being the OROY...

Yea...all it will take is the Bears being in the race and Caleb is a lock.

OnTheWarpath15 09-05-2024 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17659573)
Those 3, plus Kelce and Perine (plus Pacheco has evidently improved his pass-catching skills this offseason) are gonna be a real bitch to deal with.

I mean you can even toss Hardman in there for some of the gadget stuff to keep teams honest. Our 2 and 3 TE sets will be awfully dynamic in their own right.

This offense could be incredible. Like, "only held back by Andy not wanting to show his cards" kind of record-setting ability.

Literally my ONLY concern about this offense.

OnTheWarpath15 09-05-2024 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17660039)
If teams choose death by a thousand cuts, that's not at all a problem for us.

Certainly not a problem, we've won two Super Bowls doing it that way.

crispystl 09-05-2024 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17660217)
I just put $10 to win $250 on Worthy being the OROY...

I just dropped a few bucks on him >44 yards receiving tonight and then got an alternate line >80 yards on another bet.

Also Fanduel has for Mahomes and Lamar's combined passing yards (450) @ +120

They also have the O/U for Kelce's yards at 58, so that seems pretty decent too.

crispystl 09-05-2024 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 17660724)
Sounds like Worthy may be able to absorb stuff a lot quicker than Rice was able to do it. And if that is the case then he will probably get a lot more early on than Rice did last year. :)

I'm telling you guys they're gonna put Worthy out there to stretch the D to create space, and him and Mahomes are too damn good not to produce if he gets a bunch of snaps.

Kiimo 09-05-2024 01:34 PM

I drafted and am starting Rice in every league I can.

Worthy is going to catch one bomb, soak up defenders into his orbit and then Rice is going for 8-15 catches. In PPR he is incredibly undervalued.

staylor26 09-05-2024 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 17660939)
Certainly not a problem, we've won two Super Bowls doing it that way.

And that was without all the speed we have now...

OnTheWarpath15 09-05-2024 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17661133)
And that was without all the speed we have now...

https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2...baE/giphy.webp

OnTheWarpath15 09-05-2024 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by crispystl (Post 17660952)
I just dropped a few bucks on him >44 yards receiving tonight and then got an alternate line >80 yards on another bet.

Also Fanduel has for Mahomes and Lamar's combined passing yards (450) @ +120

They also have the O/U for Kelce's yards at 58, so that seems pretty decent too.

Fanduel has Kelce over 58.5, Rice over 62.5 and Worthy over 44.5 parlayed at +618.

Might throw a few bucks at that, I can't imagine those numbers not being hit unless Worthy does **** all.

Couch-Potato 09-05-2024 10:03 PM

Greatest Chiefs WR of all time?

RunKC 09-05-2024 10:07 PM

Yeah. He’s DeSean Jackson.

Thank you Buffalo!

staylor26 09-05-2024 10:07 PM

****ing stud. I'm already in love.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-05-2024 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17664747)
Greatest Chiefs WR of all time?

Rashee

Pasta Little Brioni 09-05-2024 10:08 PM

Buffalo is so dumb

BlackHelicopters 09-05-2024 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17664747)
Greatest Chiefs WR of all time?

He’s no Sylvester Morris.

Sassy Squatch 09-05-2024 10:10 PM

LMAO Bills cope now is "wElL, tHeY wOuLdVe GoT hIm AnYwAy

TLO 09-05-2024 10:12 PM

I want to thank the Buffalo Bills.

Pablo 09-05-2024 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17664789)
Buffalo is so dumb

I really appreciate their commitment to making the Chiefs a better franchise.

They're my second fave team for all they've done for us.

Bl00dyBizkitz 09-05-2024 10:16 PM

Yeah, that's why we love Xavier Worthy.

Thanks NFL for the freebee.


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