RIP Pete Rose
 

The hit king is dead at 83.

Should be in the HOF

The lifetime ban is over now with his death, so he'll get in.

RIP to one of the greats

I like that he embraced his apology so strongly in his later years.

I don't care at all about baseball so I never really learned about the betting thing. I just remember that one of my best friends was an avid baseball fan and he despised Pete Rose for one little thing. He said that whenever Pete made the last out of the inning as a fielder, he would throw the ball on the ground before running back to the dugout. So some ball boy or whoever would have to run out to the field and pick the ball up between innings. It annoyed the heck out of my friend because he deemed it so rude.

He got treated like ass by the sorry ass baseball old jackasses.

I had no idea he was that old...
RIP

Wow. I take back my RIP. What a jackass.
Not really, but seriously. Kind of a dick move.

Pete spiked that ball against us in the 80 WS and it really pissed me that **** off....Hot Dog

He just wanted to see the kid Hustle.

The greatest travesty in all sports is he is not in the Baseball Hall of Fame with an asterisk or black box around his profile.

Bart Giamatti can rot in hell. Worthless college douchenozzle.

Yeah, I mean RIP… but not the best dude. At all

I got to see Pete play on the Phillies at the Vet when they played the Pirates.

Wait til you hear about how old he liked his mistresses

Yeup.

Dude made a deal to save his skin and agreed to a lifetime ban.

Well...stay is lifted.

Go ahead and put him in.

He has a starting spot in whatever baseball league of cheaters that Shoeless Joe and the rest of the Black Sox have started in the afterlife.

He was a dick, and ultimately his own worst enemy, but he was also one of the greatest players of all time and should absolutely be in the HOF. And I think it's pretty hard for the MLB whores to keep anybody out over gambling at this point since they themselves have crawled in bed with it. It's not like he ever bet on himself or his team to lose.

RIP.

"It's Iowa."

It was never about the games he bet to win. It was about the games he chose not to bet on. I don’t really care if he gets in or not. But the idea that he never threw games is not true.

Same with Joe Jackson and the splits behind high leverage and low leverage situations. Dude was unbelievably good in the playoff series when games didn’t matter and uncharacteristically terrible when they mattered. He definitely threw the series

The big Red machine was my favorite team as a kid.

Loved Pete Rose

You really don't think he did?

I think he ABSOLUTELY did. That's why he signed the deal.

He wanted MLB to stop digging and at the time that mattered more to him than the HoF or anything else. He did it to himself and I absolutely believe that the reason is that when the digging continued, there'd be no doubt what the outcome would be apart from possible prison time.

Being locked out of the Hall of Fame did more for the reputation of Pete Rose than getting in ever would have. I am so sick of hearing about this asshole.

(Oh, but RIP)

I've never heard that particular take on it. Don't really give enough of a shit to delve into it. But if true, you make a valid point. Of course, God only knows how many other players were involved.

And also, I can't help but think about the scumbag Asstros players who basically got no punishment whatsoever for blatantly cheating during the World Series. The whole lot of those ****ers should have been banned for life and their championship should have been nullified. It's hard to imagine the endless dumping on Rose (and Jackson) when shit like that is allowed to stand. Is it only cheating if you play to lose? I don't think so.

Damn they are all passing. RIP baseball hitting sports gambling man.

Hope he gets in the Hall posthumously now.

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Yeah that’s why I don’t have a particular opinion on who gets into the hall of fame. I also think there are steroids users who should get in.

But there’s a lot of data that points to Pete rose making lineup and pitching decisions based on if he bet on the game or not. Maybe you save up your best bullpen arms even if you’re winning. And maybe you destroy a pitcher like Mario sotos pitching career by throwing his arm out so you can make money. Maybe you put yourself in the lineup to make sure you break the hits record. There’s a lot of sketchiness in how he managed the team

R.I.P.

Ditto. Until the Royals came along. Hated when he went to Philly. Didn't like him after that. RIP

They made it clear Rose can go in the next year after his death. He was banned for life. He is no longer alive and is now eligible for the HOF.

You loved it if you liked the Reds/Phillies. I hated him during the 80's World Series as a Philly vs. the Royals. I hated when he spiked the ball at 1st after the last out of the inning. However, hell of a hitter/player and always always hustled. RIP

RIP to a legend

RIP Charlie.

It's not happening unless Rob Manfred removes Rose from the permanently ineligible list.

And going by precedent, Shoeless Joe Jackson is still on the ineligible list and not in the Hall over 100 years after the 1919 scandal.

RIP Pete. Hopefully you can cheat your way out of hell you miserable bastard.

He's such a complicated figure.

Between the lines, he's the model ballplayer you want to teach young players to emulate. He was baseball smart, knew as much about the game as anyone and maximized every ounce of baseball ability he had. All heart and guts.

Off the field, he was a dirtball and made stupid decisions.

It's a tragedy because he had so much more give to baseball but his lifetime ban meant he couldn't even work with minor league players or get invited to a spring training camp.

You're a great poster Scho, but I couldn't disagree with you more on this post.

What is wrong with you two pussies. Vagina bleeders.

Man, this is the biggest crybaby pussy ass RIP thread ever. Some of you are simply pathetic whinny babies talking about shit when he played 40 years ago.

Headed off to the great big casino in the sky

He was an overrated try-hard who's quest for the hits record made the teams he played on worse for the last decade of his career. And he occupied an offense first position at 1b for all of that where he couldn't field worth a damn AND provided C caliber offense from the dead bottom of the defensive spectrum.

His everything he did after his first Reds stint was a farce. He should've retired then.

As for teaching minor leaguers - He'd have been the guy teaching dudes to chop wood and other silly shit like that. He'd have been out of the game by 94 and then spent the next 20 years on every morning radio show bitching about how the game has changed. Because he was a stubborn ass who never had a shred of humility.

The cult following of Pete Rose has never made a drop of sense to me.

WTF? You're usually spot on. You whiffed big time here. Your lack of respect in this instance, speaks more about you than it does for Rose. Much respect for you, but not with this take. Chill and move along.

Yeah, he did a couple things in that series that were jackass moves that pissed me off.

RIP though Mr. Rose "Charlie Hustle"

To be fair, Rose being kept on when his skills had diminished wasn't on him so much as the teams that employed him. A good chunk of professional athletes are egomaniac pricks, and an egomaniac prick isn't going to quit when he's on the cusp of breaking a massively important record like that. I'm not sure why you'd expect him to. Remember how useless that one who sucks the penis McGwire was in his last season? I didn't blame him for wanting to play. Of course he wants to play. I blamed LaRussa for not benching him.

As I've said in the past when this topic came up, I'm not a Rose fan, or a Reds fan, and I think the guy was a total ass. But he was a total ass who holds the all-time hits record, and that just is what it is. He didn't cheat to get those hits.

Singles hitter

I think he's one of the better old man performers of all-time. He had a .359 OBP at age 44! That's amazing. He led the NL in OBP at age 38 and had a 119 OPS+ at age 40. He wasn't an out maker.

He didn't become a full-time 1B until age 38. Before that, he was a very modern day player in a Ben Zobrist type way where he played all over the place. Pretty much everywhere except for SS.

Judging him by his managerial record, he posted a respectable .525 winning percentage. He had four straight second-place finishes (1985-88), which were forgotten about in pre-1994 baseball world, but would have gotten him into the dance these days.

Funny you mention McGwire - he left a 2 year, $30 million extension unsigned in his desk over the course of that miserable final year and elected to walk away instead of sign it and play diminished.

Rose should've done the same.

And while I understand why he did it, I don't have to applaud him for it or act like he was something more than he was. He was a blatant and unapologetic stat-chaser. He holds the all-time hits record because he wrote his own name into the lineup card to get it.

It isn't exactly cheating but it's not something I feel is worth celebrating either.

Pete Rose was starting to potentially get back into MLB's good graces. He was broadcasting, Manfred was toying with the idea of unbanning him, and then the story dropped of him having sexual relationships with underage girls as young as 12. He immediately disappeared from everything MLB related. He is never getting in the HoF. There's less evidence against Shoeless Joe throwing the WS and death hasn't gotten him forgiveness.

Yup. He’s already admitted to 16. Which if you’re being very very generous you can blame on the times. It also seems like something you say to get people to stop digging further. I don’t care what year it happened. That’s just gross.

Leaned into a Leonard pitch to get hit, took a step toward the mound as if he was pissed on his usual way to running to first base. He was trying to fire up his team, and it worked.

Never heard about the underaged girls thing. Jesus. :shake:

good baller. But he let the entire baseball world down and never did own it. RIP Pete

Well now I feel less guilty about pissing on the George Brett statue.

A first for me also.

This makes me think of Bruce Smith's corpse playing for the Redski - er, Commanders, however I'm supposed to say that. He was playing for no reason other than to pass Reggie White. I have no respect for that. Reggie White played for the love of the game. Bruce Smith played to get to a specific stat.

The cool kids call them "the Commies"

Actually a correction. Rose said he believed her to be 16 and that they were in a relationship but didn’t have sex until 16. So yeah. I don’t like to speak ill of the dead. But this guy sucked.

Wait, what? So she was actually younger while they were, um, 'dating'?

We can debate the physical development of a sub-16 girl, but let's get real. There's no way a girl that age will have a personality that doesn't annoy the daylights out of an adult man.

How old was Rose himself at the time of this relationship? Because it gets exponentially worse the older he was.

34

We ain’t talking about some guy fresh out of college. That’s a grown ass man.

I remember my father bitching about 2 MLB players. Pete Rose was a "hot dog" and John Mayberry struck out too much.

Yeah, that's inexcusable.

He will be in the hof next year now.

No he wont. He's not going to be unbanned. Even if he did get unbanned it's not up to MLB if he gets in the HoF. Neither MLB nor the Veterans Committee have shown any interest in celebrating him.

There's no "lifetime ban." It's a "permanent ineligibility." His death means nothing.

Pete Hose... Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

He cheated. Enough said.

Good memory! He also did something on a foul ball, but it has been so long ago that I forget.

I know that series made me hate him.

Ninth inning of Game 6, Bob Boone bobbled a pop foul near the dugout, and Rose reached out and caught it for the out.

That was just a good play. They were very fortunate. I can't blame them for that one. I can blame him for intentionally letting himself get hit by a pitch.

Yeah, because that's how we do things in this country. What a joke.

All sports leagues are full of s*** but no sports league is as full of s*** is Major league baseball and It's associated management.

They have Pete Rose stuff in the Hall of Fame literally in the building above the plaque room.
In the present they now have partnerships with sports betting.
There are guys on the ineligible list that are in the hall.
Before baseball was on steroids it was on amphetamines and before it was on amphetamines it was on alcohol. Major League baseball has always been on drugs.

Put the guy in the hall where he belongs.

I contend he did do the time and the time is over.

**** this.

Did Pete know it was against the rules to bet on baseball? Yes.

Is betting on baseball a detriment to the integrity of the game? Yes.

Did Pete know that if he was caught betting on baseball that there would be repurcussions? Yes.

Was Pete a grown ass man capable of making grown ass decisions? Yes.

Pete Rose's corpse can continue to rot knowing that he will never be allowed in the baseball Hall of Fame. He can have a circle jerk with Roger Clemens, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire, and Shoeless Joe Jackson in whatever afterlife there is.

It's pretty simple, don't ****ing cheat. Jesus Christ, it's something that everyone teaches their kids as they get into sports and it's the simplest thing in the world to follow.

Always been on f****** drugs. That means Mickey Mantle on f****** drugs. Babe Ruth on f****** drugs. All of them cheated and if all of them cheated then none of them cheated.

You’re assuming that he is banned based on what we know. Rose was very eager to accept a lifetime ban so the mlb investigation would stop. Unless the suggestion is to allow the mlb to complete the investigation, which I doubt the rose family wants. Or Pete would have wanted.

Secondly there’s always been a tiny bit of forgiveness for performance enhancement. Because you still have to try to win the game. There’s always been very low tolerance for betting on your own sport, less for betting on your team, zero tolerance for throwing games. Because it’s way easier to lose games on purpose than it is to cheat to win. If anything all the ties to betting these days increase that scrutiny. The most important thing is fans feeling confident that their games are not influenced by Vegas.

I do agree there is a double standard in wanting him to be a hero and banned for life at the same time.

If you have proof that anyone was using PEDs that were banned by MLB, then yes they should not be allowed in the Hall of Fame. Who gives a shit if "everyone" was doing it. Was it against the rules? Then **** off.

I don't understand what is so hard about holding people accountable.

I don't understand why anyone would think that alcohol use should count as PED use. Alcohol degrades the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood. That does not help a player to perform better. It makes a player perform worse.

Maybe the solution is this simple. Let the mlb finish the thorough independent investigation that Pete rose requested to stop. Let the public know all the information. Everything from his gambling to the statutory rape accusations. If the rose family will allow that, then you use that information to decide if he belongs in the HOF.

Pete Rose never helped himself because he was a huge dickbag, never tried to rehabilitate his image, none of that.

And lately baseball had called his ban a permanent ban.

Even though Rose is on Major League Baseball's ineligible list, it was the National Baseball Hall of Fame that adopted rules to keep Rose out.

Feb. 8, 1991: Persons on baseball’s ineligible list cannot be eligible candidates.

Up until 1991, there was a gentleman's agreement where it was known that Black Sox players like Joe Jackson, Eddie Cicotte, Buck Weaver wouldn't be considered for the Hall. But after Rose's ban in 1989, the HOF went out of its way to make sure he wouldn't reach the ballot.

Hall of Fame President Josh Rawitch is the one here that has the power to get Rose's case considered. There's no benefit for MLB to reexamine Rose's case.