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4th and Long 10-08-2024 09:44 PM

Young Chiefs fan's defamation lawsuit against Deadspin to move forward: 'Crossed the
 
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Young Chiefs fan's defamation lawsuit against Deadspin to move forward: 'Crossed the fine line'

A Delaware judge ruled Monday that the Armenta family’s lawsuit against Deadspin for accusing their son of wearing "blackface" at a Chiefs game last year can proceed.

In 2023, Deadspin writer Carron Phillips wrote an article using an image of nine-year-old Holden Armenta sporting black and red Kansas City Chiefs face paint at a game, showing only the black half of his face. Phillips accused Holden of finding a way to "hate Black people and the Native Americans at the same time" and accused his parents of teaching him "hatred."

Holden’s parents Raul Jr. and Shannon later filed a lawsuit in February accusing the sports blog of maliciously attacking Holden by selectively posting only one half of his face and accusing them of racism.

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Holden Armenta, 9, attends the Chiefs-Raiders game on Nov. 26 in Las Vegas.

On Monday, Superior Court Judge Sean Lugg denied Deadspin’s motion to dismiss the lawsuit, agreeing that the blog posted "provable false assertions" as facts rather than opinion.

"Deadspin published an image of a child displaying his passionate fandom as a backdrop for its critique of the NFL’s diversity efforts and, in its description of the child, crossed the fine line protecting its speech from defamation claims," the judge wrote.


"Having reviewed the complaint, the court concludes that Deadspin’s statements accusing [Holden] of wearing black face and Native headdress ‘to hate black people and the Native American at the same time,’ and that he was taught this hatred by his parents, are provable false assertions of fact and are therefore actionable," Lugg added.

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Deadspin posted an image showing only one half of Holden's face at a Chiefs game.

Lugg also refused to dismiss the case based on the assertion that the case should have been filed in the Armenta family’s home state of California rather than Delaware, where Deadspin’s parent company G/O Media resides. G/O Media later sold Deadspin to Lineup Publishing one month after the lawsuit was filed.

A representative from G/O Media declined to comment to Fox News Digital.

Deadspin did not retract the original article. However, an editor’s note was added to address the controversy.

"We regret any suggestion that we were attacking the fan or his family. To that end, our story was updated on Dec. 7 to remove any photos, tweets, links, or otherwise identifying information about the fan. We have also revised the headline to better reflect the substance of the story," the note read.

The headline was also changed from "The NFL needs to speak out against the Kansas City Chiefs fan in Black face, Native headdress" to "The NFL Must Ban Native Headdress And Culturally Insensitive Face Paint in the Stands."

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Judge Lugg agreed the original article asserted its accusations of racism as "provable false assertions of fact."


Phillips initially doubled down on his accusations in a since-deleted X post.

"For the idiots in my mentions who are treating this as some harmless act because the other side of his face was painted red, I could make the argument that it makes it even worse. Y'all are the ones who hate [M]exican but wear sombreros on cinco [de Mayo]," Phillips said.

Bump 10-08-2024 09:45 PM

nice, **** those pieces of shit that tried to smear a child

UteChief 10-08-2024 10:01 PM

Deadspin seems to write a lot of racially motivated articles and opinions. I stopped reading their crap.

dlphg9 10-08-2024 10:31 PM

Dude, Deadspin should pay out of their asses and hopefully get shut down for allowing this crap to be published. The stupid bitch, Carron Phillips, should be blacklisted and never have another article published again. First she writes the stupid as shit article and then doubles down by saying the red makes it worse because of Mexicans and sombreros or some shit.

What a dumb bitch.

wazu 10-08-2024 10:31 PM

Never even hear of Deadspin anymore. This story is the only thing I’ve seen from/about them in the past 10 years. They probably love it.

Strongside 10-08-2024 10:53 PM

Dead spin and everyone who works there is shit. It cannot die soon enough.

suzzer99 10-09-2024 12:53 AM

Deadspin died 4 years ago when they let Drew Magary and every other good writer go. It's just a clickbait mill run by vulture capitalists now.

Nickhead 10-09-2024 02:04 AM

good on him and his family...
totally unwarranted accusations.

HemiEd 10-09-2024 02:58 AM

It is good to see this kind of stuff/writers getting their just reward. I will stop there in an effort to keep this out of D.C.:D

oldandslow 10-09-2024 03:40 AM

I truly am not hyper race sensitive, but accusing the kid of appropriating black culture while wearing a plains Indian war bonnet is pretty ironic.

Just sayin'

Cheater5 10-09-2024 05:19 AM

I’m guessing this will be moved to DC before noon today, as we’ll likely have someone who is 1/8th Passamaquoddy Indian on their father’s side who will tell is how raciss we all are.

Fansy the Famous Bard 10-09-2024 05:24 AM

Deadspin isnt a satire site? Huh... Who knew?!

DrunkBassGuitar 10-09-2024 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 17736531)
Deadspin died 4 years ago when they let Drew Magary and every other good writer go. It's just a clickbait mill run by vulture capitalists now.

They didn't have a choice, they were owned by parent company Gawker media who got sued into oblivion for publishing and then refusing to remove Hulk Hogan's sex tape.

Fansy the Famous Bard 10-09-2024 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheater5 (Post 17736578)
I’m guessing this will be moved to DC before noon today, as we’ll likely have someone who is 1/8th Passamaquoddy Indian on their father’s side who will tell is how raciss we all are.

Does that make them 1/8th Dragon?

notorious 10-09-2024 05:26 AM

Burn deadshit to the ****ing ground.

Ocotillo 10-09-2024 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 17736531)
Deadspin died 4 years ago when they let Drew Magary and every other good writer go. It's just a clickbait mill run by vulture capitalists now.

Magary was very political, too, even though he was more talented than the writers that followed him.

The original site in the mid-2000s was actually funny and hated on everyone and didn't play any sides. But the site still made sports fun. Deadspin in recent years has made sports as toxic as politics.

DrunkBassGuitar 10-09-2024 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by oldandslow (Post 17736560)
I truly am not hyper race sensitive, but accusing the kid of appropriating black culture while wearing a plains Indian war bonnet is pretty ironic.

Just sayin'

yeah I mean like the whole thing was stupid. like from what I understand the kid is native american and like the unspoken assumption is that he you know... doesn't look native american which is itself pretty ****in racist

POND_OF_RED 10-09-2024 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DrunkBassGuitar (Post 17736586)
yeah I mean like the whole thing was stupid. like from what I understand the kid is native american and like the unspoken assumption is that he you know... doesn't look native american which is itself pretty ****in racist

If the kid is actually native then his parents need to teach him about his culture. There is a reason Arrowhead banned the headdresses and that’s because they actually took the time to learn about the culture. I work all across the country in Indian Health Services and ask the natives their opinions on the Chiefs name and tomahawk chop and not one of them cares, but the feathered war bonnets are very sacred. They would be offended if a full blooded Native American child that age was wearing that as well. It is essentially stolen valor. It’s like some ANTIFA kid saying Semper Fi to a marine. Just show some ****ing respect to peoples sacred cultures. It shouldn’t be that hard to understand.

BleedingRed 10-09-2024 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 17736602)
If the kid is actually native then his parents need to teach him about his culture. There is a reason Arrowhead banned the headdresses and that’s because they actually took the time to learn about the culture. I work all across the country in Indian Health Services and ask the natives their opinions on the Chiefs name and tomahawk chop and not one of them cares, but the feathered war bonnets are very sacred. They would be offended if a full blooded Native American child that age was wearing that as well. It is essentially stolen valor. It’s like some ANTIFA kid saying Semper Fi to a marine. Just show some ****ing respect to peoples sacred cultures. It shouldn’t be that hard to understand.

ROFL

DrunkBassGuitar 10-09-2024 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 17736602)
If the kid is actually native then his parents need to teach him about his culture. There is a reason Arrowhead banned the headdresses and that’s because they actually took the time to learn about the culture. I work all across the country in Indian Health Services and ask the natives their opinions on the Chiefs name and tomahawk chop and not one of them cares, but the feathered war bonnets are very sacred. They would be offended if a full blooded Native American child that age was wearing that as well. It is essentially stolen valor. It’s like some ANTIFA kid saying Semper Fi to a marine. Just show some ****ing respect to peoples sacred cultures. It shouldn’t be that hard to understand.

yeah sure but like was this story even necessary? like for the sake of argument lets assume the parents dressed their kid up for the sole reason of being as racist as possible and doing it as racistly as they could, like it's still a little kid. a 10 year old doesn't have much say and has like no power to affect anything. like if it was clark hunt's adult child, sure okay blast away. but like it's a little kid, let someone in his tribe explain why he shouldn't do that. deadspin's story was at the same level of "look what this racist facebook grandma posted". people go nuts about this stuff, knowing how the internet has made everyone insane I'm sure this kid got death threats and shit, there's no reason to blast him publicly, let the people who would actually be affected by it handle it, that's all I'm saying

POND_OF_RED 10-09-2024 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DrunkBassGuitar (Post 17736619)
yeah sure but like was this story even necessary? like for the sake of argument lets assume the parents dressed their kid up for the sole reason of being as racist as possible and doing it as racistly as they could, like it's still a little kid. a 10 year old doesn't have much say and has like no power to affect anything. like if it was clark hunt's adult child, sure okay blast away. but like it's a little kid, let someone in his tribe explain why he shouldn't do that. deadspin's story was at the same level of "look what this racist facebook grandma posted". people go nuts about this stuff, knowing how the internet has made everyone insane I'm sure this kid got death threats and shit, there's no reason to blast him publicly, let the people who would actually be affected by it handle it, that's all I'm saying

Oh, I completely agree. The only people I know calling for an end to the chop have never been on a reservation in their entire lives. The fact of the matter is that they still have so many issues they deal with on a daily basis like their women disappearing off the reservation in alarming numbers. No one on a reservation has time to worry about an NFL team doing the tomahawk chop.

The parents put the kid in this situation, though. Just own up to being bad parents. Don’t try and make a fortune off your kids misery. Do you think them filing this lawsuit will help people forget about this so the kid can get on with his life? Deadspin can definitely go **** themselves, but let’s not reward the kids parents for being a couple ****ing obtuse morons.

BleedingRed 10-09-2024 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 17736630)
Oh, I completely agree. The only people I know calling for an end to the chop have never been on a reservation in their entire lives. The fact of the matter is that they still have so many issues they deal with on a daily basis like their women disappearing off the reservation in alarming numbers. No one on a reservation has time to worry about an NFL team doing the tomahawk chop.

The parents put the kid in this situation, though. Just own up to being bad parents. Don’t try and make a fortune off your kids misery. Do you think them filing this lawsuit will help people forget about this so the kid can get on with his life? Deadspin can definitely go **** themselves, but let’s not reward the kids parents for being a couple ****ing obtuse morons.

Lol I’m going to go put a headdress on now you convinced me

Dunerdr 10-09-2024 07:17 AM

This should be a much bigger story than the original.

Marcellus 10-09-2024 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17736493)
Never even hear of Deadspin anymore. This story is the only thing I’ve seen from/about them in the past 10 years. They probably love it.

I doubt any company is going to "love" being sued out of existence. (which they deserve)

See Gawker for reference.

JohnnyHammersticks 10-09-2024 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17736491)
Dude, Deadspin should pay out of their asses and hopefully get shut down for allowing this crap to be published. The stupid bitch, Carron Phillips, should be blacklisted and never have another article published again. First she writes the stupid as shit article and then doubles down by saying the red makes it worse because of Mexicans and sombreros or some shit.

What a dumb bitch.

“She”?

Boy are you gonna be surprised when you google Carron Phillips.

POND_OF_RED 10-09-2024 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 17736634)
Lol I’m going to go put a headdress on now you convinced me

You do you. You can do things like this in your mom’s basement. We don’t care. We just don’t want it at Arrowhead.

DJ's left nut 10-09-2024 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 17736531)
Deadspin died 4 years ago when they let Drew Magary and every other good writer go. It's just a clickbait mill run by vulture capitalists now.

Bad news - that was like 8 years ago.

And magary cut his own balls off a couple of years before that even.

Around the time they gave Daulerio the keys, it was over.

Sassy Squatch 10-09-2024 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 17736630)
Oh, I completely agree. The only people I know calling for an end to the chop have never been on a reservation in their entire lives. The fact of the matter is that they still have so many issues they deal with on a daily basis like their women disappearing off the reservation in alarming numbers. No one on a reservation has time to worry about an NFL team doing the tomahawk chop.

The parents put the kid in this situation, though. Just own up to being bad parents. Don’t try and make a fortune off your kids misery. Do you think them filing this lawsuit will help people forget about this so the kid can get on with his life? Deadspin can definitely go **** themselves, but let’s not reward the kids parents for being a couple ****ing obtuse morons.

LMAO What? **** that, run those stupid ****ing assholes out of business and secure generational wealth while they're at it.

digger 10-09-2024 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 17736602)
If the kid is actually native then his parents need to teach him about his culture. There is a reason Arrowhead banned the headdresses and that’s because they actually took the time to learn about the culture. I work all across the country in Indian Health Services and ask the natives their opinions on the Chiefs name and tomahawk chop and not one of them cares, but the feathered war bonnets are very sacred. They would be offended if a full blooded Native American child that age was wearing that as well. It is essentially stolen valor. It’s like some ANTIFA kid saying Semper Fi to a marine. Just show some ****ing respect to peoples sacred cultures. It shouldn’t be that hard to understand.


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H.A. himself is partially Chumash-Indian as his father belongs to the Santa Ynez Bank of the Chumash Indians and works on the tribal reservation. The boy’s paternal grandfather was also a tribal elder, the complaint said.
I think as a Chumash-Indian that the tribe would be the ones who have the right to be offended. And no one else.



I guess you would also have or point out a problem this...



Boy Scouts Tribe of mic-o-say:
https://ictnews.org/.image/t_share/M...n-facebook.jpg

POND_OF_RED 10-09-2024 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17736653)
LMAO What? **** that, run those stupid ****ing assholes out of business and secure generational wealth while they're at it.

:LOL: A defamation lawsuit isn’t bringing anyone “generational wealth”

Buddy Rich 10-09-2024 07:43 AM

From the deadspin site -

Carron J. Phillips

Saginaw Native. Morehouse Man. Syracuse (Newhouse) Alum. 2019 & 2020 NABJ Award Winner. 2016 PABJ Journalist of the Year. I only eat my wings lemon-peppered. And I like brown liquor & brown women.

chiefzilla1501 10-09-2024 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 17736630)
Oh, I completely agree. The only people I know calling for an end to the chop have never been on a reservation in their entire lives. The fact of the matter is that they still have so many issues they deal with on a daily basis like their women disappearing off the reservation in alarming numbers. No one on a reservation has time to worry about an NFL team doing the tomahawk chop.

The parents put the kid in this situation, though. Just own up to being bad parents. Don’t try and make a fortune off your kids misery. Do you think them filing this lawsuit will help people forget about this so the kid can get on with his life? Deadspin can definitely go **** themselves, but let’s not reward the kids parents for being a couple ****ing obtuse morons.

Regardless of parental responsibility the first question a journalist should ask is… do I want to ruin this kid? And if that doesn’t compel you to at least reach out to the family and get their context and you publish the story anyway, and worse you use a kid as a prop for outrage clicks, you need your ethics checked.
If you get context from the family, your second question should still be… do I want to ruin this kid

POND_OF_RED 10-09-2024 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by digger (Post 17736658)
I think as a Chumash-Indian that the tribe would be the ones who have the right to be offended. And no one else.



I guess you would also have or point out a problem this...



Boy Scouts Tribe of mic-o-say:
https://ictnews.org/.image/t_share/M...n-facebook.jpg

His “tribe” already made a statement saying they didn’t support the cultural appropriation.

https://santamariatimes.com/news/loc...c534d.amp.html
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"The tribe we’re from doesn’t even wear that type of headdress," he added, noting that the specific regalia worn by Holden was merely a costume piece.”



Tribal Chairman Kenneth Kahn, of the Santa Ynez Band of Chumash Indians, issued a statement Thursday to the Santa Ynez Valley News.

“We are aware that a young member of our community attended a Kansas City Chiefs game in a headdress and face paint in his way of supporting his favorite team. Please keep in mind that the decisions made by individuals or families in our community are their own and may not reflect the views of the broader tribal community," Kahn said. "As a federally recognized tribe, the Santa Ynez Band of Chumash Indians does not endorse wearing regalia as part of a costume or participating in any other type of cultural appropriation."
Are we really still needing to point to the Boy Scouts being a problem?! I thought all the sexual abuse did that years ago.

Lzen 10-09-2024 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 17736630)
Oh, I completely agree. The only people I know calling for an end to the chop have never been on a reservation in their entire lives. The fact of the matter is that they still have so many issues they deal with on a daily basis like their women disappearing off the reservation in alarming numbers. No one on a reservation has time to worry about an NFL team doing the tomahawk chop.

The parents put the kid in this situation, though. Just own up to being bad parents. Don’t try and make a fortune off your kids misery. Do you think them filing this lawsuit will help people forget about this so the kid can get on with his life? Deadspin can definitely go **** themselves, but let’s not reward the kids parents for being a couple ****ing obtuse morons.

I would bet that these parents allowed their kid to dress like that for many a Chiefs game and never had an issue. Don't assume that there was any malicious intent. Otherwise, you are just another Carron.

BleedingRed 10-09-2024 08:20 AM

Dude who the **** is this MULT.... The sheer CRINGE of being offended for something you have no connection to.

notorious 10-09-2024 08:26 AM

Pond of Red is a deadspin writer?

Dunerdr 10-09-2024 08:45 AM

Pond of red is def a mult.

POND_OF_RED 10-09-2024 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 17736700)
Dude who the **** is this MULT.... The sheer CRINGE of being offended for something you have no connection to.

Mult?! I’ve been posting on this board way before your mom even gave you internet privileges.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-09-2024 09:43 AM

The dude also double down after taking heat for the article

saphojunkie 10-09-2024 09:53 AM

Fun fact: Chumash is in the same place where Sideways takes place. Wine country, casino… I’m thinking I might head up there this weekend and tell some marines Semper Fi

Couch-Potato 10-09-2024 10:33 AM

Come'on! ...I'm all for being politically correct but this a damn child just out there having fun supporting his team. ZERO maliciousness involved, obviously. SMH

BleedingRed 10-09-2024 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 17736739)
Mult?! I’ve been posting on this board way before your mom even gave you internet privileges.

Mult post count and join date, checks out

trndobrd 10-09-2024 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 17736659)
:LOL: A defamation lawsuit isn’t bringing anyone “generational wealth”

Certainly not a judgement against Deadspin. Can’t imagine there is much juice left to squeeze out.

warpaint* 10-09-2024 05:45 PM

I pray they bankrupt them.

ThyKingdomCome15 10-09-2024 05:49 PM

Kid will win.

Nirvana58 10-09-2024 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 17736630)
Oh, I completely agree. The only people I know calling for an end to the chop have never been on a reservation in their entire lives. The fact of the matter is that they still have so many issues they deal with on a daily basis like their women disappearing off the reservation in alarming numbers. No one on a reservation has time to worry about an NFL team doing the tomahawk chop.

The parents put the kid in this situation, though. Just own up to being bad parents. Don’t try and make a fortune off your kids misery. Do you think them filing this lawsuit will help people forget about this so the kid can get on with his life? Deadspin can definitely go **** themselves, but let’s not reward the kids parents for being a couple ****ing obtuse morons.

Kid and his father are both Native American. You nor anybody else has the right to tell them how they can dress and celebrate their culture.

The parents have every right to sue their asses to oblivion for making up a story and trying to defame a child.

Megatron96 10-09-2024 06:46 PM

Best thing that could come from this is Deadspin shuts down permanently, and the dipstick that wrote the story ends up on unemployment. And the general population learns to mind their own ****ing business.

But that'll never happen. So, instead, I hope that kid gets as much $$$ as the law allows.

suzzer99 10-09-2024 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17736652)
Bad news - that was like 8 years ago.

And magary cut his own balls off a couple of years before that even.

Around the time they gave Daulerio the keys, it was over.

https://gen.medium.com/my-goodbye-to...n-132a2ac48063

This says 2019. So 5 years I guess.

dlphg9 10-09-2024 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 17736646)
“She”?

Boy are you gonna be surprised when you google Carron Phillips.

Lmao, shit I figured Carron (pronounced Karen correct?) was a girl.

POND_OF_RED 10-09-2024 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana58 (Post 17737764)
Kid and his father are both Native American. You nor anybody else has the right to tell them how they can dress and celebrate their culture.

The parents have every right to sue their asses to oblivion for making up a story and trying to defame a child.

His father stated in an interview that their tribe do not wear a headdress and admitted his son bought it as a costume. Also, the chairman for the tribe his family claims to be apart of already made a statement claiming they don’t support the cultural appropriation and distanced themselves from the family. He’s not celebrating his culture. He’s desecrating it.

Also, I’m the biggest supporter of keeping the Chiefs name and Tomahawk chop. I know the lady who owns Warpaint and was absolutely pissed when the Chiefs fired her before the season because of a bunch of idiots crying. Like I said, I’ve never met a single person on a reservation who has ever had an issue with the chop or the Chiefs name. They all have an issue with fans wearing a headdress to a sporting event. Stop giving the idiotic stop the chop movement any actual momentum by being completely obtuse to an obvious cultural appropriation situation.

Nirvana58 10-09-2024 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 17738037)
His father stated in an interview that their tribe do not wear a headdress and admitted his son bought it as a costume. Also, the chairman for the tribe his family claims to be apart of already made a statement claiming they don’t support the cultural appropriation and distanced themselves from the family. He’s not celebrating his culture. He’s desecrating it.

Also, I’m the biggest supporter of keeping the Chiefs name and Tomahawk chop. I know the lady who owns Warpaint and was absolutely pissed when the Chiefs fired her before the season because of a bunch of idiots crying. Like I said, I’ve never met a single person on a reservation who has ever had an issue with the chop or the Chiefs name. They all have an issue with fans wearing a headdress to a sporting event. Stop giving the idiotic stop the chop movement any actual momentum by being completely obtuse to an obvious cultural appropriation situation.

Not that it matters. But pretty sure when this all came out. The family had made the head dress and did it accurate to their customs.

But honestly that doesn't matter at all. It also doesn't matter if the chairman of the tribe signed off on it or not. It is the families heritage and can celebrate it however they want.

New World Order 10-09-2024 08:42 PM

Go get em kid!!!

JohnnyHammersticks 10-10-2024 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17738029)
Lmao, shit I figured Carron (pronounced Karen correct?) was a girl.

Not a girl, but you got the bitch part right. Carron is most definitely a bitch.

RealSNR 10-10-2024 10:23 PM

The face paint was kind of weird and creepy, not gonna lie. Looked like the black/white face guys from that one Star Trek episode

Mescalito345 10-11-2024 04:40 AM

Meanwhile, the lawyers are getting rich due to this ridiculous lawsuit. Aren’t there more important cases to work on?

Lzen 10-11-2024 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mescalito345 (Post 17740534)
Meanwhile, the lawyers are getting rich due to this ridiculous lawsuit. Aren’t there more important cases to work on?

Normally, I might agree. With this case, however, I think it's necessary. It's necessary just like the catholic school kid and the native American guy several years ago. It's needed to show others that if you lie and defame someone (like modern leftist media tends to do A LOT), there are consequences.

POND_OF_RED 10-11-2024 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana58 (Post 17738416)
Not that it matters. But pretty sure when this all came out. The family had made the head dress and did it accurate to their customs.

But honestly that doesn't matter at all. It also doesn't matter if the chairman of the tribe signed off on it or not. It is the families heritage and can celebrate it however they want.

This is the problem with today. You all want to point at the media for not doing their research and realizing the kid was native. Then when someone shows you the research and a direct quote from the father telling you the headdress was bought as a costume and that his culture does not wear the regalia you still double down with the stupidity that it’s part of his heritage. “Pretty sure when it all came out” means you read a random post on social media claming that and just ran with it. You're just as guilty as the MSM in spreading misinformation if you refuse to take the time to actually research it before you speak about it.

The article trying to make this a blackface issue was absolutely wrong. Deadspin should be punished for that. The parents shouldn’t be rewarded for being dumb enough to let their kid wear a headdress to a sporting event, though. The poor kid doesn’t know any better so it obviously sucks for him, but his father obviously should have.

PunkinDrublic 10-11-2024 07:00 AM

Carron Phillips is a huge piece of shit. Just about every article he wrote was filled with accusations of racism. He wrote one article claiming Baker Mayfield kept getting chances in the NFL as a starter because of white privilege.

seamonster 10-11-2024 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 17740569)
Carron Phillips is a huge piece of shit. Just about every article he wrote was filled with accusations of racism. He wrote one article claiming Baker Mayfield kept getting chances in the NFL as a starter because of white privilege.

He's probably selling cars now. Deadspin was unceremoniously sold off to some euro trash company back in March. This racist bag of shit and all of his cohorts were fired with zero notice and now he's probably sweating the pending lawyer fee's. Probably wishes he stayed on Reddit.

notorious 10-11-2024 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17740482)
The face paint was kind of weird and creepy, not gonna lie. Looked like the black/white face guys from that one Star Trek episode

I'm not the only one that thought this. Thank goodness.

warpaint* 10-11-2024 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mescalito345 (Post 17740534)
Meanwhile, the lawyers are getting rich due to this ridiculous lawsuit. Aren’t there more important cases to work on?

I actually think it's quite important.

Some dude with a bully pulpit slandered a kid & his family with no forethought or effort to tell the truth & then doubled down due in part it seems b/c he thought there were no consequences & the end relative to social change justifies the means. He was seemingly an easy target to tee off on, not all that different in that vein than the dude Chrissy Teigen bullied on Twitter awhile back.

This isn't about the issue itself but rather the fact that people in positions of power have a duty to tell the truth while promoting whatever his/her worldview is.

DJ's left nut 10-11-2024 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mescalito345 (Post 17740534)
Meanwhile, the lawyers are getting rich due to this ridiculous lawsuit. Aren’t there more important cases to work on?

Carron Phillips has a burner account?

Wow.

ghak99 10-11-2024 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mescalito345 (Post 17740534)
Meanwhile, the lawyers are getting rich due to this ridiculous lawsuit. Aren’t there more important cases to work on?

This case is a hell of a lot more important than a lot of the bullshit that clogs up the courts on a daily basis.

The blatant dishonesty that has infectious our media could easily be considered one of the most important issues facing the country right now.

BryanBusby 10-11-2024 01:24 PM

I forgot how ****ing ridiculous that initial article was.

DJJasonp 10-11-2024 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by warpaint* (Post 17740612)
I actually think it's quite important.

Some dude with a bully pulpit slandered a kid & his family with no forethought or effort to tell the truth & then doubled down due in part it seems b/c he thought there were no consequences & the end relative to social change justifies the means. He was seemingly an easy target to tee off on, not all that different in that vein than the dude Chrissy Teigen bullied on Twitter awhile back.

This isn't about the issue itself but rather the fact that people in positions of power have a duty to tell the truth while promoting whatever his/her worldview is.


This. Well said.

Nirvana58 10-11-2024 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 17740561)
This is the problem with today. You all want to point at the media for not doing their research and realizing the kid was native. Then when someone shows you the research and a direct quote from the father telling you the headdress was bought as a costume and that his culture does not wear the regalia you still double down with the stupidity that it’s part of his heritage. “Pretty sure when it all came out” means you read a random post on social media claming that and just ran with it. You're just as guilty as the MSM in spreading misinformation if you refuse to take the time to actually research it before you speak about it.

The article trying to make this a blackface issue was absolutely wrong. Deadspin should be punished for that. The parents shouldn’t be rewarded for being dumb enough to let their kid wear a headdress to a sporting event, though. The poor kid doesn’t know any better so it obviously sucks for him, but his father obviously should have.

Like I said before. It does not matter if it was bought or made.

Who the **** cares. Kid is a native American and can dress however he or the parent pleases to celebrate his heritage or just the Chiefs in general. Damn cancel culture won't let kids just be kids and have fun anymore.

bsp4444 10-12-2024 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by digger (Post 17736658)
I think as a Chumash-Indian that the tribe would be the ones who have the right to be offended. And no one else.



I guess you would also have or point out a problem this...



Boy Scouts Tribe of mic-o-say:
https://ictnews.org/.image/t_share/M...n-facebook.jpg

I’m Micosay! Long time ago.

bsp4444 10-12-2024 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana58 (Post 17741438)
Like I said before. It does not matter if it was bought or made.

Who the **** cares. Kid is a native American and can dress however he or the parent pleases to celebrate his heritage or just the Chiefs in general. Damn cancel culture won't let kids just be kids and have fun anymore.

I think we’re conflating two issues. The kid was not “celebrating his heritage”. He was rooting for his team. Both are acceptable, but let’s not use the heritage thing to justify it. It’s justifiable on its own.

Mescalito345 10-12-2024 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by warpaint* (Post 17740612)
I actually think it's quite important.

Some dude with a bully pulpit slandered a kid & his family with no forethought or effort to tell the truth & then doubled down due in part it seems b/c he thought there were no consequences & the end relative to social change justifies the means. He was seemingly an easy target to tee off on, not all that different in that vein than the dude Chrissy Teigen bullied on Twitter awhile back.

This isn't about the issue itself but rather the fact that people in positions of power have a duty to tell the truth while promoting whatever his/her worldview is.

OK, but nobody got injured or died, right? Maybe catching violent criminals is more important?

InChiefsHeaven 10-12-2024 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by oldandslow (Post 17736560)
I truly am not hyper race sensitive, but accusing the kid of appropriating black culture while wearing a plains Indian war bonnet is pretty ironic.

Just sayin'

I feel like telling a Native American warrior that he wears a bonnet would get you an ass kicking...:evil:

warpaint* 10-12-2024 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mescalito345 (Post 17741591)
OK, but nobody got injured or died, right? Maybe catching violent criminals is more important?

I get what you're saying, but defamation, or libel (to be specific in this instance) is a form of injury just not the kind you're thinking of I am inferring. A little kid like this being lied about on a platform like that can affect his future, social relationships, emotional well-being, standing at school. It can cause the kid's family stress, anxiety, etc. In short it can kind of **** up his life.

The issue in & of itself has nothing to do with catching violent criminals & the resources used for each since it's tried in civil court & the other criminal. The police aren't involved, etc.

This is an aside, but for me personally, in this day & age I wouldn't have let my child wear that costume, not b/c I think it's wrong, but b/c I wouldn't want to put a target on his/her back. There's a mob out there & they don't fight fair & I'd want to protect my kid from being in this situation to begin with. There are hills worth dying on so to speak from a values perspective but this isn't one of them.


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