Veach vindicated in Sneed trade
 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ue-quad-injury

Apparently, Sneed missed the last game and will miss the next game due to a quad injury. Sneed was terrific last season while performing despite injury concerns. Given the status of his knee, a big contract was a bad investment. Further, the Chefs ability to draft and develop DBs played a huge role in his decision-making.

Jaylen Watson was doing a great job replacing Sneed. While McDuffie was the one taking over the no. 1 corner job, it was Watson who moved into the lineup with Sneed's absence. Watson was a well above average corner before getting injured. Imagine the Chiefs cap situation if they tried to fit a deal for Sneed.

Would signing Trey Smith and Creed Humphry to extensions have been possible? I also doubt the CHiefs would now have the flexibility to add Hopkins. They had to get Tennessee to eat a lot of contract as it is. I think the Chiefs would have to have performed serious cap contortions to address the WR room if they had signed Sneed.

Veach has immunity status in KC for being the best GM ever and winning mutiple super bowls. He doesn’t need to be vindicated for anything. It is as if he is a diplomat with constant immunity.

I will be surprised if they are able to keep Trey Smith. His market is gonna be very expensive. It seems to me the big choice was between LJ Sneed and Chris Jones. Fortunately the Jones contract is looking pretty good right now, as long as he stays healthy.

Yep...

I still maintain the decision to quickly pay Creed and reset the C market was because they are gonna turn around and make a near identical offer to Trey, which is not disrespectful at $18m-ish per year.

If he wants to leave a great situation like he has had next to his best bud Creed, that will be his call and he has every right to take the $21M+ he will get from another team.

But if you wanna stay in the dynasty, yeah, gonna be closer to $18m.

Immunity is the only way he is not doing jail time for Skyy Moore.

But he deserves a break he has been amazing overall

i think the Chiefs will try to resign Smith. The way they do it will be to get a low cap number early in the contract and then move on from Thuney. Why? Thuney is getting older and investing in the younger Smith makes more sense. Try to deal Thuney for a low round pick with the trade partner picking up the final years of his deal.er the guy they drafted in the third round this season is the Thuney replacement or you draft one. You can get an outsanding rookie guard in round 2/3.

Negative.

When you’re counting cards, you have to make a mistake or two on purpose so they won’t know you’ve got their number.

Nope. Only after a 3 peat

I’ve never been too upset about the decision we made here with sneed. It was a business decision.

But man, he is an easy guy to root for and it’s always been sad to see him in a different uniform. Especially when a guy leaves without even a hint of a trail of tears behind him.

Veach rarely takes huge silly gambles, moves on when the price of a new contract would cripple us, and he has a fantastic track record on what we have gotten in return.

There is a reason he has been half of the dynamic duo that is my Adopt-a-Chief since him and Clark pulled off the Mahomes deal.

Dude is golden, not quite perfect, in my opinion.

He is no John Dorsey /comotard

I hated seeing Sneed go. But it was apparent with all of the draft capital that they had spent(pretty successfully I might add), that they had no plans to pay Sneed. If our other corners were scrubs, then it would have been different. But Sneed was a luxury that the Chiefs just couldn't responsibly keep.

Veach has been insanely good...but Dorsey drafted 4 first ballot HOF players and Kareem Hunt. That core is still driving this roster...it's once in a life-time. The picks from the Hill haul are playing key roles too thanks to Veach....but Hill's greatness provided the compensation.

JD also traded DOWN to nab Jones in the second.

This current team doesn't exists without Dorsey's fingerprints...

Yeah. I agree. I thought about posting something similar.

Yeah I don’t get the Dorsey hate. In kc and Cleveland he showed you gotta keep him in check. But outside the qb position he built two terrific rosters. And he’s under the radar built a terrific roster in Detroit.

We know we got the best gm in football right now in veach. So there isn’t reason to be insecure anymore that Dorsey is a hell of a personnel guy

His players are the core members that created this dynasty...on par with the early 90's Cowboys.

Veach has filled in a LOT of excellent talent and his cap management smokes Dorsey...also his drive to fill in the back end of the roster is special.

It's a culmination of two excellent executives...but Dosey's players have been generational.

Exactly. This team doesn't win a SB without Dorsey's drafts.



Outside the QB position? He drafted Mahomes and Mayfield as a GM and had a hand in the drafting of Aaron Rodgers. Two of those will be in the HOF and the other is a QB you can get to the playoffs with.

IMO there's a decent chance that Hunt gets in also, IF he would not have gotten in trouble and never left KC. Not 1st ballot, but if he stayed healthy, he'd have the numbers and hardware.

Huh? Kareem Hunt is not going to be inducted into the HOF.

Anyone really think it was John Dorsey that elected to draft Kelce? You guys realize that Andy knew about Travis years before he worked with Dorsey right? Jason Kelce was on his team in Philly and Andy’s shitbag son was a coach at Temple and his team regularly played against Kelce every year.

Andy said himself he saw Kareem Hunt on TV in his office watching the Mid-American football conference (Carson Steele too ironically).

And of course we all know who really found Mahomes and showed Andy his tape about 2 years before Patrick even declared for the NFL draft.

You guys have this twisted and give Dorsey too much credit.

It’s hard to say, there’s several people involved in the draft process.

Dorsey is fine where he's at now. A scout/consultant down the ladder a few rungs. I don't know if he'll ever get a chance to run his own show again.

Of course not now. But my premise was tha had he stayed in Kansas City, instead of getting in trouble and being kicked off the team, he would have had the numbers and the hardware to be considered. That was my point.

Does anyone have the feeling that Veech did the Tits a favor with Sneed, and they didn't bust our balls on Hopkins?

Veech cashed in a favor in Hopkins down the road...

People go to great lengths to not give Dorsey credit for Mahomes and Kelce lol. Absolutely nuts. He’s clearly a high level evaluator but not cut out to run the show.

When you continue to produce secondary depth and All-pro talent at CB, you need to give Spags huge credit. Dude makes it seem like Madden and can plug and play anyone back there and still be hugely successful.

This is definitely an interesting discussion and probably worth it's own thread. Kelce, Mahomes, Jones and Hill, all drafted by Dorsey are headed for Canton. Mahomes is by most accounts, a credit to Veach. But let's look at the drafts post 2017, where Veach has been GM. I wouldn't say that any of those players are currently locks for the HOF. Some all pro's and solid starters But who looks like we could be talking about them for Canton in the coming years? Creed is the best center in the NFL. But center isn't a position that is common in the HOF. I would love to see Rice and/ or Worthy get there, but way too early to talk about that. Can McDuffie get to that point? Maybe? I'm not complaining. We have a dynasty because of the players that Veach has drafted (along with Mahomes and Reid of course). Just thinking about the next players to be generational since Kelce and Jones are near the end and Hill is already gone

I don't .I really don't believe that a team gives another team "a deal". The deal is either valuable and acceptable by both teams or it isn't. I think teams solely look at the profit side of trades and not "helping buddy out" kind of stuff .

Not going to go thru the whole thread....but are there really people in here going to bat for Dorsey?

Trying to compare what Veach has done to build a 3 time Super Bowl winner (back to back for 2 of them) to what Dorsey did here is silly.

I was never under the impression that Veach needed any vindication for that trade.

Veach did not need vindication. He did the right thing and any reasonable person knew it.

It’s not beach vs Dorsey. Just some clowns trying to take credit away from Dorsey. Someone said he doesn’t get credit for kelce Andy does because he knew him years before the draft. And regardless of the revisionist history Mahomes is a Dorsey pick. Idgaf what the story says about Veach pouring the table for him. There’s a scout in every round pushing for his guy and scouts taking Andy film all the time. It’s called the off season.

I think Kareem would have been a salary cap casualty. He would have wanted above $10M per year and the Chiefs would not be able to pay him. He would have been gone after the 2020 season.

I don’t think there’s much chance we would’ve resigned an expensive RB to a second contract, Hunt or not.

It's not like anyone is saying that we should have kept Dorsey or anything like that. Just acknowledging the fact that the core of this team, Mahomes, Jones, Kelce and until the trade, Hill, were all Dorsey draft picks and are all headed to the hall of fame. It's okay to acknowledge that without saying that he's somehow the better GM and we should have kept him. Veach is the man! He took the roster to the next level after Dorsey rebuilt it from the ashes. We are all grateful for Veach and what he has accomplished.

Think of it more as a "I'll concede a little here, just remember it down the road".

Sets up for a good working relationship.

Kind of sounds like you are the impassioned supporter of Dorsey....while I would agree that his picks of Jones, Kelce and shared credit with Veach on Mahomes set the groundwork for our success we have had over the past years.

But I don't see anyone mentioning his poor cap management skills....that has always been one thing that has been a knock on him wherever he went.

No one will ever convince me that we would have the team now that we do if Dorsey was still here. And...IMO I doubt Dorsey would have had the stones to trade Hill like Veach did.

It came down to Chris Jones or Sneed. My argument at the time was, keep Sneed. Let Jones go and save 10 million dollars a season. Sneed was coming off one of the greatest seasons I've ever seen from a defensive back. Him and McDuffie give Spags the ability to blitz on every 3rd down. Chris Jones was fresh off a hostage style holdout, and I was a little bitter. Looking back, Sneed seems broken down and Jones is playing lights out like he always has. Veach make the right call. He usually does.

I don't know what the Titans were thinking making this move. A rebuilding team trading picks for expensive free agent CBs makes little sense.

The Titans weren't thinking rebuild. They thought that Will Levis was something better than he is. They were improving the defense to support him. But Levis sucks, so now they're realizing that it's time for a rebuild.

Veach has drafted guys that are likely on a HOF trajectory

Creed has been the leagues top center since he stepped on the field
Mcduffie has been an all pro since day 1
Rice was absolutely entering that path before the fluke


Even apart from those home runs, look what he’s done in rounds 4-7 during his time here

Allegreti
Fenton
Danna
Sneed
Trey
Noah
Pacheco
Nazeh
Watson
Williams
Hicks
Chamari


That’s a load of talent that would be redrafted much higher than original position and IMO that’s arguably just as important as the drafted HOFers convo. I’d bet real money that no other GM in the history of the sport has produced as much with late round picks.

He also operates the team with minimal amounts of dead cap because he makes great decisions on who to extend and who to trade or let walk.

Letting Sneed go hurt, but it’s already being shown as the right decision, even when most of CP wanted to keep him and were pissed at only getting a 3rd for him.